Looking to buy a 7 seater

caddy16

We've settled on the new sorento as need a 7 seater with 4 kids. Would like to go PHEV but unsure if its best option. Have a daily 80km roundtrip and travel from Killaloe to Dublin twice a month…….would be grateful for any advice.

pah

Have been considering the Sorento for a while also, unsure about new or used, also like the new Santa Fe.

Can you charge at your destination? Electric range is rated at up to 57km but have seen some tests show over 60km.

AMKC

OP You would get a new EV9 cheaper per month than you would a new Sorento. The EV9 will also be cheaper to run long term.

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122606066#Comment_122606066

Really ?

freddieot

Not a perfect comparison, the sorento shown is AWD while it's the basic 2 wheel drive EV9 that's shown. The AWD EV9 costs a lot more.

caddy16

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122605946#Comment_122605946

No charge station at work but if I would be getting 3/4 of the journey on electric. Guess I need to work out the details and do a cost comparison.

caddy16

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122606066#Comment_122606066

The plan was to change the 2nd smaller car to full ev year after next. Not quite ready for 2 evs yet.

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122606219#Comment_122606219

Previous post by AKMC had suggested an EV9 is cheaper than a Sorrento in terms of monthly payments….

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122606697#Comment_122606697

It is.

Here you go,

Screenshot_20240911_230751_Chrome.jpg

pah

You would need €5k more for the EV9 deposit of 27k on PCP but it is at zero percent

freddieot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122606697#Comment_122606697

Agreed. However, my point is that if the OP buys that Sorento in the image then they will get a full time AWD vehicle. An AWD EV9 costs around €90,000 so any monthly deal payments on that version would be much higher. AWD may or may not be important to the OP. If it is then the Sorento is IMO definitely the best value. I actually have a 2022 one myself and would strongly recommend them and the refreshed latest model.

However, If they just want a big electric SUV then the EV9 (without AWD) may not be for them as there are a few others that are fairly large, 2WD, and a lot cheaper than the EV9 (e.g. new kodiaq and very soon new e5008). I'd love an EV9 myself but only in AWD and at c.90k+ that's too much for me to justify spending.

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122607702#Comment_122607702

New Kodiaq is only a 5 seater unless you choose an ICE version. AWD is unlikely to be an essential requirement for a 7 seat vehicle but obviously every use case is different. AWD would be a big advantage for towing capability.

caddy16

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122607702#Comment_122607702

How do you find the drive when on the 1.6 petrol only for the size of it?

staples7

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122607702#Comment_122607702

Why in the name of god do you need AWD drive for lugging kids back and fourth to school/sports etc. And before you say icey mornings. I would bet anyone that can lose control in 2WD would likely do the same in 4WD .

I don't mind the look of the EV9 but it's ridiculously big, see a lady every morning at school struggling with it. Thats before you get into its depreciation which would be bad enough as an ICE but as an Electric. you could lose 50k plus in 3 years.

We could be in your position next year needing a 7 seater, in the EV world I don't think theres any solutions yet with value for money in mind.

freddieot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122608465#Comment_122608465

No issues. It will do 50 to 56km on electric before it needs to stick with the petrol motor. However, when the 56k runs out it still has lots of battery in reserve.

Basically you cruise along with petrol engine but if you need extra power to overtake or something then the electric comes in as well.

Between the 2 power systems you have 265 bhp so it is a powerful enough vehicle and never feels bulky or struggles.

My longest journey is a round trip of about 200k. Overall I get about 6.0 in summer and 6.2 in winter. Shorter runs are where you really save of course..it's showing 6.0 now with just over 17,000k from new.

freddieot

I don't need an AWD for lugging kids anywhere. I don't have kids.

I have my own reasons for getting one. If you prefer 2WD, that's fine. I

freddieot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122608593#Comment_122608593

I don't need an AWD for lugging kids anywhere. I don't have kids.

I have my own reasons for getting one. If you prefer 2WD, that's fine.

pah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122608593#Comment_122608593

Interesting take on a 50k depreciation drop. So you have the lottery numbers too?

caddy16

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122608850#Comment_122608850

Thanks for that, great to get real world feedback. I was hoping the battery range would increase with the updated model to something similar to the new kodiaq but not to be. Anyway think I'll go with hybrid option.

freddieot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122609687#Comment_122609687

It's a good choice. I've had a Santa fe, 3 sorentos, a BMW X5, a Kodiaq, all from new and this sorento has a good edge on all of them. Good spec no matter which version you choose.

staples7

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122609452#Comment_122609452

Standard depreciation calculation is roughly 50% after 3 years, add in an extra element for EV which is the case currently and yes 50k on a 80/90k car is what I would expect.

If you still think thats airy fairy have a look at a similarly as expensive EV's in the Audi Etron's 50/55, would be going for 80k+ back in 2020/2021, these are now 30-40k cars. Just 1 example but you can rely apply to all.

You mentioned test driving an EV9 in cork yourself thats a few months old @ 69k, that same car earlier this year was 80k im guessing. Its not exactly fortune telling 🤣

pah

That's 10k under a new one cos it has 20k KMS on it.

I would love 50% off after 3 years on something like a Sorento but have a look, they are all going for 45k+ on a 55k sale price in 2021.

There will be a big chunk of depreciation for sure but those Audis should never have been going for 80k in the first place whereas the EV9 is in the same playground as the EX90 and others at the 120k mark. I don't personally think it will be as drastic as a 50k drop ( which on an 85k car is a 60% drop)

I'm also happy to return in 3.years and eat my words 😅

zg3409

I am no PCP expert but I think above says the EV9 under PCP is valued at 31k at 3 years old. If you pay 31k for your 3 year old EV you get to keep it. That's based on a 78,250 new price. So kia themselves say depreciation is 47k over 3 years with lowish mileage.

https://www.kiacredit.ie/#step1

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122613251#Comment_122613251

Most brands price in leaving a person with some equity to use as another deposit at the end of the PCP, it's not quite as simple as taking the PCP GMFV as the brands expected depreciation.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122612618#Comment_122612618

ItIt will be at least 50% off in 3 years. Higher prices fall harder in most cases. Kia won't escape that. At circa 40k, I might even consider one in 2 or 3 years.

kirving

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122613883#Comment_122613883

That certainly used to be the case, but as an example, Skoda's website now says "Final Payment" rather than GMFV.

My brother recently traded in a Leaf, just over 2 years into a 0% PCP deal, as the car was already worth less than what the final payment would have been. It no longer suited what he needed, and while he could have kept paying the PCP for the next year, he still would have had zero equity at the end, so there was no point riding it out.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122613975#Comment_122613975

GMFV and Final Payment are exactly the same, the GMFV term is pretty confusing for most people as they don't connect the dots that future value means the amount you have to pay, not how much it's worth.

kirving

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122614012#Comment_122614012

I know they're the same, but as you say, it's now described as something you have to pay (ie: the dealer thinks the car may be worth less than this), versus it's future value (ie: you should have some equity).

Subtle, but IMO a small reflection of a more volatile market.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122614065#Comment_122614065

Hyundai are still advertising it as GFMV, I think it's more a reflection on confused customers than any concerted effort to address a volatile marker.

staples7

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122612618#Comment_122612618

2021 was a strange time in that new car price’s had not serged. Friend of mine bought an r-line Tiguan new in 2021 for 43k. He traded in 3 months ago and was given 41k for the car from same Vw dealer. Same car is up in their website currently with 60k kms for 43k. However the new tiguain he bought was €64k.

They might hold value a little better given there’s very little competition in the 7 seater ev market.

Exiled Rebel

Mother of God…he coughed up €23k when he could have bought a ID4 PRO PLUS for sub 50k. Even a GTX would have saved him a few thousand and arguably a far superior car.

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122624011#Comment_122624011

Yes, seems like madness not have bought an ID.4 instead. That said the way the trade is currently dishing used EV’s that new Tiguan will probably depreciate less per year.

Exiled Rebel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122624184#Comment_122624184

I can't see VW reducing the price of new cars by much more if at all ergo the situation with second hand VW's is likely to have stabilised.

staples7

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122624184#Comment_122624184

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122624011#Comment_122624011

is it madness though?I put the same thing to him in 2021 when buying the Tiguan. Ie your mad not to be getting an ID4 (I had bought one just after that time myself).

instead of him losing more than 50-60% of value in 3 years on the ID4. He lost sub 5% on the Tiguan. I can totally see why someone would go for a Tiguan again.

Mad_Lad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122606197#Comment_122606197

AMKC always tries to push EV on everyone as if everyone wants and ev or to pay the cost or suffer range and recharge times. I drove EV for 10 years and I can tell you I got sick to death of the charging when away from home do much that we just took the diesel. Then there's depreciation and all that that is pretty high at the moment.

But anyone spending 80 K on an EV wants their head examined.

The EV9 weighs what, 2.5 tonnes and 2 meters wide ? shouldn't be allowed on Irish roads ! Imagine parking that POS ? and Weight of EVs really ruin the driving experience.

Mad_Lad

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Mad_Lad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058368550/looking-to-buy-a-7-seater

I wouldn't spend any more, it's expensive enough as it is and resale value of the diesel would be stronger and you'll have less hassle trading in.

Battery range will be tiny anyway.

Mad_Lad

I'd save a tonne of money and get the Dacia Jogger !

Mad_Lad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122693505#Comment_122693505

Yep, I drove EV for 10 years, depreciation was huge and now I'm back in petrol but the hassle of getting rid of the VW id3 was an experience I don't want to go through again, I couldn't get any dealer to take it so I gave it back to VW finance under the half ruel, never again will I buy any new car or go on PCP. I'm done with EV for a long time…..

The money Irish people are willing to spend on new cars is mind boggling !

caddy16

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122699312#Comment_122699312

PHEV is slightly cheaper than the diesel so not costing more.

Mad_Lad

I'd still save a lot of money and go for the jogger, it's more practical too I thought, of course it's a Dacia so will not appeal to many lol. I think it would be a good workhorse.

Is the PHEV Sorento CVT or dual clutch ? I really hate CVT.

What battery size ?

Rows Grower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122699324#Comment_122699324

At 10.30pm you were driving a diesel, at 10.36pm it was a petrol.

One thing you didn't mention in any of your posts is how many years you were driving an EV.

Could you clear that up please?

Mad_Lad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122702980#Comment_122702980

Oh yes, 10 years. Shall I say it one more time ?

Rows Grower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122702997#Comment_122702997

You've made a point of mentioning it so often that I'd say you nearly believe it yourself now at this stage.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122699318#Comment_122699318

If I were getting one of those I'd be getting the manual one and buying a nearly new one from the likes of hertz car sales or something. Probably the best on the newest+cheapest scale for 7 seaters.

Not an EV though and their hybrid is overpriced. only the ICE jogger makes sense.

Mad_Lad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122703397#Comment_122703397

Yeah, I think it's a very underrated car, I just don't like CVT because they don't give a good pleasurable engaging driving experience but for someone that doesn't mind the CVT buzzing then great. I had CVT in the Prius and Audi and they were ****. I think some of the Kia PHEV use DCT not sure but that should offer a better experience.

Mad_Lad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122703211#Comment_122703211

What, you don't believe I drove EV for 10 years ?

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122703715#Comment_122703715

CVT is a very bad thing initially but once you get used to it it's ok. We had an 08 mk2 prius a few years ago and it was awful at the start. But it encourages you into a specific driving style and once you do that the noise is equivalent to or better than a similar car. IMHO of course.

I test drove the Highlander 7 seater hybrid, I presume that has a CVT as it had the same feeling but better sound insulating.

I also had a kia phev on rental for a weekend last year for a stag do and it did a much better job of mating the electric and petrol drivetrains after the ICE section meaning it used the same conventional gearbox and did away with a lot of the CVT nonsense.

Mad_Lad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122703869#Comment_122703869

I had CVT in the Prius and the Audi Diesel, hated it, no, CVT is just not something I'd like to experience again. No getting used to it, I had the Audi for 160,000 Kms or more and the Prius for what, oh let me see, 160,000 Kms maybe, was 200,000 Kms or a bit more on it when I got rid of it.

Same on the Tmax 500, don't like it at all, yes it's convenient around town etc but I'd happily go to manual bike at this stage so on the lookout for a manual bike.

CVT works for some, not for others, except the Toyota breed of hybrids CVT is not very reliable but they are in the Toyota hybrids because they use the Motor for the lower speeds. Audi had huge issues, I'd say they hare all DSG now probably no CVT Audi any more because of reliability issues.

ELM327

Slightly OT but what Audi has a CVT box? I thought all modern Audis used either DSG or the equivalent.

Mad_Lad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122704022#Comment_122704022

No they probably don't just saying I had CVT in Prius and Audi.