Hyundai ioniq 5 or VW ID 4.

UnfortuateSon

Hey All,

I'm looking for some advise around moving to an EV. Specifically either a used Ioniq 5 or ID4.

Looking online I think a 35G budget should get a decent used one and either one should fit my usual needs regarding range, space for the kids, etc. Having been dipping in and out of the very long discussions on both cars for a while, there seems to be a fair few things to keep an eye out for. ICCU issues (whatever that is) on the Ioniq with the ID4 also having some serious issues mentioned throughout the threads.

How has your experience been with them? And any recommendations / tips on what to look for with these cars?

Battery condition reports and ensuring they are on the latest software would be no brainer's for any used EV. But when in doubt always ask someone know knowledgeable then yourself so I'm putting the question out there.

Appreciate any advise you can provide.

MojoMaker

You might get a 2023 Model Y for that budget if you put up a wanted ad? Arguably an all-round better proposition than an Ioniq or VW.

CMOTDibbler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122334945#Comment_122334945

Such a hilariously typical boards response.

"I'm trying to decide between an apple and an orange"

"Have you tried a plum?" 🤣

UnfortuateSon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122334945#Comment_122334945

Lol, thanks but Id rather rely on what passes for public transport outside of Dublin then associate myself with anything to do with Musk, even if only secondhand.

CMOTDibbler

I don't own either, but I was seriously looking at the Ioniq 5 a while ago. I really liked the exterior, but was deeply underwhelmed by the interior. I think the ID4 is better in that respect even though it is rather bland looking outside comparatively.

MojoMaker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122335294#Comment_122335294

You must do some research on both VW and Hyundai's murky backgrounds as well so…just to balance it out 😎

CivilEx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058358240/hyundai-ioniq-5-or-vw-id-4

In my own extended family I have a brother in law with an Ioniq 5 and and another BIL with an ID4. In chatting with them over the last couple of years on their experience, both are happy with their cars and the range for both in real life seems to be roughly the same. The only issue I have heard from them relates to longer trips as the Ioniq 5 will charge much faster (>200kW) even in cold weather.

The ID4 side of the family is always more likely to bring their second car (an ICE) on longer trips because of an inability to precondition the battery for DC charging and because of this it was very slow to charge (<50kW) in colder weather during the winter. That was too slow for them while trying to keep kids entertained for an hour at a charger. If charging speed is important to you, check to make sure that any ID4 you look at now has the up to date software that allows battery preconditioning!

cgc5483

I moved from an ID3 to an Ioniq 5 so can't give a direct comparison but very happy with the Ioniq 5 and didn't ever consider the ID4. I guess depends on spec level but I think the Ioniq interior is nicer.

As mentioned Ioniq charges faster but also there is a 5-year warranty versus 3-year.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122335294#Comment_122335294

Then I’d remove VW from the choice here due to the disgusting past with Hitler and all of that if you base your purchases on CEO’s or the behaviour of board members (Dieselgate).

I’d have the Ioniq 5 but it would have to be the bigger battery and the higher trim level to make up for the relatively speaking, lower performing 204bhp motor.

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122334945#Comment_122334945

You should also consider their respective sister cars EV6 and Enyaq ?

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122336489#Comment_122336489

Be careful, you’ll be accused of the “Such a hilariously typical boards response” for even mentioning a different type of car!

joe1303l

Won’t bother me but I’d have an Enyaq over an ID.4 any day of the week. Similarly if going Korean, I think the EV6 is the better car.

CMOTDibbler

If you want a bit more power, you could get the AWD version which would be just a few k above your budget. Probably could be bargained down. 306hp and the 73kWh battery.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-5-premium-plus-73-awd-5dr-auto/36575350

kabakuyu

I will be in the same boat end of august,slightly less budget (33K)will look at the above 2 but I will also have a look at the Audi Etron.Current mileage is 250km a week nearly all urban, need space for 2 kid seats on rare occasions.Will be trading in q2.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122336573#Comment_122336573

That’s what I’d buy if it wasn’t a MY in the mix. It’s much better looking than the ID4 (subjective) IMO.

prosaic

Our experience of Ioniq5
Range is good enough for us. Blocky shape doesn't help with that but we can do 300-400 km journey without any much consideration.
Handles really well and power is excellent in AWD version. The long wheel base makes some turns harder but hardly anything inconvenient for us. The i-pedal driving mode is what I use all the time, except when on cruise control. Increasing/decreasing cruise speed goes either in steps of 1 km/h or 10 km/h for long press. I wish it would gradually increase the step-rate.
Lane tracking is good mostly but you have to be ready to correct as it occasionally veers where markings are bad/odd or too narrow/wide/missing. It will rapidly slow where it thinks there's an obstacle, e.g. a parked car on your side of the road, facing towards you. Warnings when changing lanes are quite good. Auto lane-change function is finicky. Map for Ireland shows townlands rather than towns which is bizarre and amusing. But we know Ireland so it doesn't bother much.
We find it really spacious and pleasant, not at all bland (suggested above). Being able to easily scoot across from driver side to passenger side is handy - I can't recall, is there a big console in ID4?
Rain/visibility management could be a good deal better. Back windows mists over in any kind of wet. Really needs a rear wiper. Front wipers blades aren't super but ok (maybe blade is too rigid?). I haven't figured out how to set intermittent/light rain function so it works well with low rain levels.
The Bose speakers are great up front. The back speakers are really low volume which is quite annoying. No idea why they are so poor.
Storage space is very good. The boot roll-up cover is a tad flimsy and you hear stuff sliding about when it isn't somewhat filled. You can get a net to hold stuff down. The roll-up cover is handy when you need to bung in tons of stuff.
Info/mgmt system is a bit clunky and takes while to turn on sometimes. But it does what you need reasonably quickly. Could do with faster access to some things like seat warmer and charge-limit setting.
Overall, very happy with it so far. We're keeping it for a long time into the future.

ted1

Except you can’t see at speed you are doing in the Y without taking your eye off the road 😂

n.d.os

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122335317#Comment_122335317

My wife owns an ID4 and our neighbours owns an Ioniq 5. The Ioniq 5 has gone back to the garage 7 times with glitches. Both 2022 models. ID4 isn't perfect but its less likely to go wrong.

UnfortuateSon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122335669#Comment_122335669

Thanks for the tip, I hadn't considered preconditioning. Seems like an important one alright

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122337628#Comment_122337628

No different to any other car I would have thought. Unless there’s a HUD present.
i5

MY

UnfortuateSon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122336489#Comment_122336489

The Enyaq is a nice car alright, I haven't seen good ones within budget however. I might give it another look.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122339803#Comment_122339803

The good ones are the sportline, 80 version with a sunroof IMO.

UnfortuateSon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122336682#Comment_122336682

Yea the etron does look very nice. Im an Audi fan myself, loved the A3 sportsback I used to have but from what I can see the value just isnt within my budget for one this go around.

UnfortuateSon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122336573#Comment_122336573

That is tempting alright, a bit over budget but does look very nice.

UnfortuateSon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122337149#Comment_122337149

Thanks for all that. I was wondering what the visibility in rain without the rear wiper was like. Its not like we have a shortage of rain in the summer, never mind winter.

UnfortuateSon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122339586#Comment_122339586

That sounds pretty terrible. Do you know why the 5 had to go back so much? for example was it one issue they couldnt fix or a whole series of problems?

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122339824#Comment_122339824

The EV equivalent of a Hens Tooth…

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122335669#Comment_122335669

Where are they going in Ireland that they need a charging stop of an hour mid route to get there.

denismc

We have an Ioniq 5 and an ID3, both fantastic cars.

The matrix lights on the VWs are much better than the Hyundai LEDs but the infotainment system in the VW is very clunky and not at all intuitive.

Ioniq 5 is a super motorway cruiser, the fast charging with pre-conditioning makes long journeys very stress free.

Reliability, both cars have been great, the Ioniq 5 has been in for a few recalls which where mostly software to do with the known ICCU issue which Hyundai finally seems to be getting to grips with

The only real way to choose is to drive both.

Whatever you're buying make sure all recalls have been carried out and the software is up to date.

CivilEx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122340532#Comment_122340532

I guess they don't generally want an "out of spec" arrival at 1%! That's real world experience for you and justification for their use of an ICE rather than the ID4. The recurring trip they do is Sligo to Sneem in Kerry, so it is a bit of a haul to be fair.

I think they were caught once with a long charge on a frosty winters night and said "never again".

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122340666#Comment_122340666

I just can't see anyone going to 1% in an EV that can do 100kw+ charging unless they are on their own doorstep. All its needs a splash and go enroute.

Arriving with 10% a 52kw ID4 can do that trip in two stops and a 77kw in one stop of 10 mins. (Approx) And I'm probably being conservative.

I know a couple of families that bring two ICEs on holidays. So I'm not saying people don't do that, or just decide not to bother with the EV if they an ICE.

But I don't understand driving past rapid chargers, and to go from 100% to 1% is very much an ICE mindset. I would expect an EV driver to stay 20-80 with a couple of short fast charges and arrive with 30%.

Ireland not that big with a modern EV like the ID4...

Flinty997

If we're me I prefer the Skoda. Though the warranty on the Toyota is something to consider. I like the ID4 but man is there a litany of issues and all makes seem to have a problem with parts and repair availability. So that's not just a VW thing.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122340397#Comment_122340397

There’s a few around. I was searching for one for a cousin of mine for a taxi but the cost of them made no sense. Es-etcI ally compared to MY, ID4 etc

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122341173#Comment_122341173

Yes but not around for the €35K budget that the OP has to spend. Most half decent used 80 models are €40K+.

crisco10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122339586#Comment_122339586

Lol - I've the exact same experience in reverse. Have an i5 which has been good so far (bar a sticky gear shift). A few recalls carried out during service (all s'ware related).

My neighbour on the otherhand had an ID4, and it was in and out of the garage so much that VW offered him the option to hand the keys back under warranty. He then used his refund to get an I5 which he loves.

l5 was 2022 models, ID4 a 2021 example.

n.d.os

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122342310#Comment_122342310

Yes, both cars appear to have problems but some people have been lucky, others haven't. Our ID4 has been fine. Just, the software isn't very good.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122335247#Comment_122335247

Happens across the board (pardon the pun).
Poster asked about a bmw or Audi in the main forum, the response was to buy a Passat or an Octavia!

allinthehead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122352677#Comment_122352677

When I started a thread about going EV and I was looking for suggestions, one poster suggested a diesel corrola🤣

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122357422#Comment_122357422

Not surprised tbh 😆

Old diesel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122340532#Comment_122340532

My reading of the situation is that with no pre conditioning at the time.

The ID4 wouldn't charge at more then 50 kw.

Hence a longer stop then the normal 35 mins or whatever.

Based on 77 kwh (and many VW ID products will show a bit less on carscanner even when new).

Then 50 kwh is equivalent to 64 percent of battery. And at 50 kw that's a 1 hour charge.

Bear in remind the return journey too.

An EV might do the benchmark Cork to Dublin journey with no stops....

BUT if its got 200 miles range then you need to add over 120 miles range somewhere.

120 miles is 60 percent of 200.

Plus buffers on top as no one literally wants to run it to zero.

Flinty997

Even at 50kw they aren't hitting a charger at 0%. So still less than you're estimating. Also you'd leave at 80% or earlier. Two short stops rather than one long one. Especially if you can't get full speed working on one charger.

I'm curious because I use ABRP to plan routes and also when ev window shopping to see how changing my EV changes my usual routes.

So when someone posts a story about charging is interesting to mirror it in ABRP. That app allows you to set how much charge you want remaining at the destination or planning return journeys. Or change the car.

UnfortuateSon

Thanks all for you comments.

A few interesting points there especially about the preconditioning.

Does anyone have any recommendations for home charger installation companies?