Bolivian Coup attempt

Donald Trump

Seems the Bolivian military got it into their heads to try to attempt a coup.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/bolivias-president-slams-irregular-mobilization-army-units-2024-06-26/

Doesn't look like it will be successful. They aren't even shouting to hang Mike Pence.

Itssoeasy

Seems like the president confronted the military leaders at the door at the presidential palace.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058357480/bolivian-coup-attempt

I respect you sticking to the bit.

coup attempt failed AP reports

https://apnews.com/article/bolivia-military-deployment-arce-coup-fears-028cd88f3be1fb02164c05deb0faa099

TheValeyard

Weird I'm getting to use that pic a number of times now

Gregor Samsa

….

silverharp

is this another time where the CIA have to send around a memo asking were we involved?

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122309213#Comment_122309213

You have to ask that when something strange happens in regions of predictable stability.

Eudaimonia

There has been a failed coup d’etat in Bolivia which has culminated in a realisation that things in Ireland might be winding down a path without anyone shouting stop towards that end outcome. The Defence forces have been agitating for a prolonged period and even acting outside their ranks and placing demands on the government. Even the language of a national army demanding anything from a government is contrary to their raison d’etre which is to serve and that requires an apolitical stance and serving all persons in the state.

Once the defence forces becomes political, drudgery, bribery, threats and feints towards a particular viewpoint becomes if not mandatory but intimidating not to do. The first step is a demand placed on the government to, in their own charged and electric words “not be silenced”. This is very threatening and dangerous territory our country is entering. I pray for minorities, those of a non Irish background and others from spheres not in their political remit, that such thuggery will not take hold within our own.

But it illustrates an indiscipline therein. Besides the morally questionable things that have creeped into the public consciousness recently, I would also highlight events such as a senior army commander keeping a scheduled meeting with the Russian ambassador despite government moves at the time to bring in and question the same ambassador for espionage’s allegations eminating from the Russian embassy in Dublin.

Might this acting out of his own accord and not using his common sense and cancelling said meeting not have been the morally advisable thing to do. It appeared to me that very defence forces officer was attempting to hedge the government position and usurp the chain of command just like the whole organisation are doing now in their entirety placing a demand that they not be apolitical. Serving in war zones requires a clear mind. These activities show a blatant emotional, I irrational and childish contempt for our democracy and democratic principles.

Article below detailing defence forces demands:

https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/other/military-group-accuses-t%C3%A1naiste-of-ignoring-defence-bill-concerns-and-causing-low-morale/ar-BB1ox0hA?ocid=a2hs&cvid=1bf3ae57fd1f496ea7af06ed35b0dbf3&ei=66

igCorcaigh

Ireland could very well be the start of a string of coups that overthrow democracy, not just in Europe, but to the wider West too.

elperello

Not a hope.

Our democracy has flourished for more than 100 years.

There is absolutely no threat from the Defence Forces.

Eudaimonia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122311819#Comment_122311819

Sime might argue that our democracy has not flourished and that state sponsored terror has persisted for most of that one hundred years up until recently. If a particular narrative feels threatened it resorts to military tactics is that not undemocratic?

mvt

The OP is a" thundering disgrace "🙂.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122311843#Comment_122311843

"Some" might include yourself.

You have spectacularly failed to make a case that the Defence Forces are a threat to our democracy.

Beta Ray Bill

I really don't think there is any risk of that happening.

Firstly they haven't the numbers, there's only about 6,000 of which not all may participate.
They'd need the Garda onboard as there are more Garda than soldiers, that's not going to happen.
The EU, UK and US would get involved immediately to stop it. Like SO immediately, there'd be French, German and possibly British soldiers on the ground here within 6 hours of it happening

Joe public would go absolutely f**king nuts if that (A coup) happened (Imagine last set of Dublin Riots, but x10)
The fallout of Joe public going nuts would be worse than the Coup itself.

prunudo

Won't be a coup but I'm sure there some seriously pissed off members after Harris publicly undermined them the other day.

DeadHand

The Defence Forces are a threat to no one except gay couples and young women out late at night.

timmyntc

The defence forces are at more risk of mass resignations than the govt are of a coup.

Manic Moran

If the Defence Forces have been placing demands upon the government, it's to give them the resources to let them do their damned jobs. How many other nations don't have a Minister for Defense? Luxembourg which spends thrice the Irish GDP percentage on defence? There's a nation with its own neutrality to defend, massive seas and airspace to police… (And at least the Luxembourg Minister for Defense isn't overtasked given her other portfolio is Mobility and Public Transport, unlike the Irish situation where the Tainaiste is kindof busy).

They have been asking for updates in regulation (which is defined in law by the Dail), increases in funding for personnel, and increasing in funding to obtain the minimum required equipment to do the taskings which the government have set for them to do. That is far different from the DF being an existential threat to the primacy of the civilian government structure. The entire premise of the OP is ridiculous.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122315085#Comment_122315085

The government keep ringing them up asking them if they want more money, but the Defence Forces just can't seem to hear them.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122311843#Comment_122311843

I guess "Sime" is Some

Anyway, the some is they actually exist are a tiny few and do you think a country should abide by the demand of a tiny few people?

No thanks

Ireland has excellent connections to Europe and to the World. If people don't like it, well off you go.