Opinions on this please

Ginger83

What would the view be on this as a starter EV? No commute, just shopping etc

https://www.usedcarsni.com/2020-Peugeot-208-100kW-Allure-50kWh-5dr-Auto-339390651?search_type=1&make=22&fuel_type=0&age_from=2020&price_from=0&user_type=0&model=70527751&age_to=2022&price_to=0&mileage_to=0&keywords=&location%5B%5D=0&body_style=0

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058353823/opinions-on-this-please

Would be grand for shopping and commuting for most folk. Worst case range would be 200km per charge. There's a blue opel corsa on DD for similar money and a few more miles. Same car more or less.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200264#Comment_122200264

The Peugeot is much nicer than the Cirsa do. The Corsa is so dull.

The Peugeot 208 has style and class. The Corsa has none of that.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200273#Comment_122200273

That's a matter of opinion. Personally I think they're both dull, especially if white.

Ginger83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200264#Comment_122200264

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200273#Comment_122200273

Would they be reliable? Here's a snazzy petrol model.

https://www.usedcarsni.com/2021-Peugeot-208-1-2-PureTech-100-Allure-5dr-341774872?search_type=1&make=22&fuel_type=0&age_from=2020&price_from=0&user_type=0&model=70527751&trans_type=0&age_to=2022&price_to=0&mileage_to=0&keywords=&location%5B%5D=0&body_style=0

I would be looking at something as a disabled passenger so I should be exempt from Vat and vrt.

slave1

2019 Kona with new battery similarly priced per Bargains thread, I'd have that versus the Peugeot

Gumbo

I’d have this over both

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058353823/opinions-on-this-please

I’d have this over the opel or Peugeot.

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/37089709

Ginger83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122207953#Comment_122207953

Would that be high/average/low mileage?

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122208180#Comment_122208180

average IMO

witnessmenow

Does the person with the disability have any equipment to be taken into consideration like a wheelchair?

I haven't used one or really seen the practicality of the space but the Kona's boot is considered quite small. Something like a Nissan leaf would have a considerably bigger boot.

If your going to be exclusively charging at home, the fact it has chademo fast charger shouldn't be an issue (although maybe when you sell it)

The free vrt due to the person with the disability isn't really and advantage for an EV as most of them up north are free vrt and Vat anyways (vrt is free for any Ev in this price range, vat is free on any NI reg car or one that has been in private use for a reasonable amount of time).

That's not to say it's not worth getting it up north of you find something good.

Ginger83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122209047#Comment_122209047

Yes I have an electric wheelchair which obviously wouldn't fit but I also have the option of using a folding manual wheelchair with an assisted powerpack.

At the moment we have a wheelchair accessible car and there doesn't appear to be anything like it in electric. I wouldn't be in favour of getting another one anyway because my time is limited and they seem to be hard to sell on unless trading in. I want to leave herself with a good car.

Can I ask what way the vrt and vat works? Oh and in 2023 we exported over 3400kWh

Ginger83

What would this be like as a first EV?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202404198825552?advertising-location=at_cars&fromsra=true&make=Nissan&model=Leaf&ni-only=on&page=2&postcode=BT817YJ&price-from=500&radius=100&sort=relevance&twcs=true

A leaf does exactly what it says on the tin. Good boot, Chademo charging, a paintless driving and owner experience.

Ginger83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122211949#Comment_122211949

What would you recommend as a first EV with a budget of around €12k?

witnessmenow

I brought my Ev in from the north in February/march and I basically just booked a vrt appointment at the NCt place, and filled in their form and brought whatever documentation they asked for and paid them €11.20 for tyre recyciling fee and they gave me an Irish reg number. There really wasn't a whole lot to it!

Sorry to hear about your situation. If resale is a big concern, and given the fact to you would be entitled to vrt relief (I'm not sure how it works), probably the most advantageous thing you could do is buy a car thats good value up north but would normally have a high VRT rate.

For example if you bought an EV for €12k and the vrt is free, that car would also cost me €12k to buy up north so it's probably all it's worth down here.

But if you buy a car for €12k and the VRT is normally €2k, you'd pay €12k (I think) for a car that's would cost me €14k to buy, so is it worth more down here?

Personally I think the EVs are super comfortable to drive being automatic and quiet, very cheap to run and I'm imagining not having to charge at a petrol station would be big advantage for a person with a disability , so I think an Ev sounds like a good choise for what you've described driving wise. It just might not be the best option if your trying to maximise the value of the car in a resale.

witnessmenow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122211981#Comment_122211981

Do you have to make any other type of journeys than the shops? If all you were doing was short journeys than possibly and older leaf would suit absolutely fine, and would leave plenty of change from €12k.

I'm not an Ev expert by any stretch of the definition so take my advice with a pinch of salt

There isn't a huge amount of options in the 12k range: probably: leaf, 208, Corsa, ioniq and maybe a Kona

I know nothing about the 208 and Corsa other than what size their predecessors were and they would have been a smaller car than the leaf. I saw a 208 yesterday and it looked relatively small, but hard to know when passing it on the motorway.

Don't know a huge amount about the Kona either, maybe it would suit ok, but you'd have to check out the boot.

I have an ioniq, I like it a lot. But I felt the seats were a bit lower than leaf. Boot is ok, not very tall but it's relatively deep so might be acceptable.

i test drove a few leafs and I thought they were nice. I felt their driving position was a little higher so might be easier to get in and out of. Had a decent deep boot. I think the 2019 and above(I think) new model looks a lot nicer than the older one. im not sure on what different specs are available, but there are so many leafs available I would be looking for one that has adaptive cruise control which really makes driving a breeze in some situations

Ginger83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122212145#Comment_122212145

Thanks. Yes there would be no problem with charging at home and I had 8kWp of solar pv installed last year.

What did you think of the Leaf in post #12?

We could hire one and maybe a Kona for a few days to test suitability. There would be shopping and school runs which would be short runs and I would have to do an odd run to Beaumont which is 95km each way with 90% being motorway. Part of my thinking is to leave herself with a decent car rather than something that will be difficult to sell on.

Believe it or not but we have never had a car with cruise control. What is the difference between adaptive cruise control over standard?

witnessmenow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122212439#Comment_122212439

That leaf you linked on looked pretty good to me in terms of spec etc, I'm not sure price wise if it was worth travelling north for one, I feel like you might get similar down here for similar money, but I'm not sure on that.

The leaf sounds like it would suit your driving perfectly, maybe someone could advise if it would do 190km on the motorway during the winter but I presume so.

The leaf has a different fast charging port than basically every other car called chademo (other cars have CCS). This only comes into play when publicly fast charging, the 2019+ model uses the same AC charging port (home charger) as any other car.

There is a question over how will chademo chargers be available in the future as chargers get upgraded, although currently they seem plentiful enough. This doesn't sound like it will impact your usage at all, but may have an impact on selling price in the future, but personally I think if you buy at an decent price now you'll do ok depreciation wise.

So regular cruise control is telling the car drive 120km/h and will drive at that speed til you intervene.

Adaptive cruise control is more like telling the car to drive 120km/h if it can, so it will detect a slower car in front of you and reduce speed to match what the car in front is doing til it speeds up again. It's very pleasant for motorway driving

witnessmenow

Also you need to factor the cost of installing the charger at home into your budget, it's about €1200 outlay after grant

Redfox25

I think that a petrol hybrid would be a better buy in your use case. Keep it simple, no need to charge it and should be easy to sell on when the time comes.

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122212531#Comment_122212531

Or €699 if you go with Fokearn.

Ginger83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122212711#Comment_122212711

I don't know much about hybrids. How does the electric end perform?

Ginger83

This might be a stupid question but would this part be universal?

Redfox25

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122212890#Comment_122212890

Ifd its a non plug in hybrid , which I would recomend in this instance, you just put petrol into the car and when you use the brakes it saves a portion of the recovered energy back to the battery. It gives you a short range (depending on the car) of 10 to 20km of EV mode and then the petrol engine kicks in. Each car is different but its very simple and no changes needed from driver and will be easy to sell after its no longer needed.

Hope you get sorted with the decision.

witnessmenow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122213342#Comment_122213342

I'm not sure why a non plugin hybrid would be an advantage for the op?

I don't actually know, but I would have thought that avoiding an extra place to get in and out of the car when in a wheel chair (the petrol station) would be a pretty big advantage of an Ev or even plugin hybrid.

I do feel some people are a bit hyperbolic on this forum about the struggles of visiting a petrol station, but I would have thought this is a situation where it would be a big benefit.

Op: if it was me I'd go to Nissan dealer if you are near one and test drive a used leaf, even if the ones there are out of the price range, just to get an idea if it will suit.

Regarding solar, I think it's generally thought that exporting your solar during the day and buying cheap electricity at night is the most cost effective.

We'll drive between 15 and 20k km in our Ev in 12 months, and I estimate that the cost of this driving is about €150 to €200 for the year. That's not with solar, just using 7c a kW Ev rate from bord gais. So I think maxing out exporting is the move it as some people will pay you 20c+ per kW

Ginger83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122213807#Comment_122213807

I'm not against a hybrid but I know nothing about them. It does sound like a 90% petrol vehicle though.

I never thought about the cheaper EV charging rates so that's a bonus. We do have a smart meter but at the moment are on a non smart plan.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122200276#Comment_122200276

Actually the 208 looks good in white. I really don't see how you can find it dull. Peugeot are on a roll at the moment. Have you seen the new 508 in the metal. It's stunning. I was in Naas on Friday and there was even a lambo going around a Uras I think and English reg too but it did not look anywhere near as classy or as stunning as the revamped 508. It is simply stunning and has to be one of the most beautiful cars ever made.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122214300#Comment_122214300

Actually the 208 looks good in white.

I just think most cars in white look shít. My Brother loves white cars and I hate them. Personal preference.

I really don't see how you can find it dull.

You're the one who said "The Corsa is so dull." Take a look for yourself. They are the same car with subtle differences.Same body with different head/tail light accents and a different grille design. Each one is as dull as the other.

You say the revamped 508 was classier and more stunning than a Lambo? You're havin a laugh now lad. Nothin against Peugeots, but c'mon now. Keep it real.

The e-508 looks more like a revamped Kia Magentis/Optima than something out-classing a Lambo.

mickdw

The Urus is ugly as sh1t though and the most pointless car I can Imagine.

Ginger83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122212716#Comment_122212716

Would this be a universal part?

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122217326#Comment_122217326

Yes its a standard connection

Gumbo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122217326#Comment_122217326

Yes.

Ginger83

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122217397#Comment_122217397

Would it be good value and worth getting or is there better options?

Gumbo

Good value, yes. It’s probably the cheapest one installed from a company at the moment.

Better options, yes. If you have solar etc

But they are more expensive. You need to decide what suits you.