Motor Speeding - Solved! (a bit)

fortwilliam

Every car imported into this island is limited to max speed of 120KPH.

That's it.

120KPH is the max legal speed in this country, so there is no need to have any car that can go faster than that.

It won't solve the "60 in a 50" problem, but it will limit the max speed!

Seth Brundle

So it won't solve the speeding problem!

The only effective measure to combat speeding and other road traffic offences is proper enforcement.

The EU is way ahead of you, ISA is mandatory since 2022.

dxhound2005

Every vehicle detected speeding should be seized and destroyed. That will remove the bad ones from the herd.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121092852#Comment_121092852

probably a small fraction doing so, so.....

humans like going fast, its what we do, its probably what we always will do....

whomitconcerns

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058313089/motor-speeding-solved-a-bit

Ridiculous.. And what if I have my car on a private road I (or someone else) own? Therefore no speed limit applicable.

Or if I drive to Germany and am on an unlimited part of the autobahn?

fortwilliam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121093056#Comment_121093056

When was the last time either of those two events happened in your lifetime?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121093181#Comment_121093181

It only takes once.

whomitconcerns

The latter, this year and 3 years ago.

gooseman12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121092852#Comment_121092852

The Danes do this for anyone doing double the limit. Seized and sold, regardless of it being the owner or not.

Also do it for drink and drug driving and a few other serious offences.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/tough-danish-law-sees-cars-seized-from-speeders-on-the-spot-then-sold-1.4687887

dxhound2005

According to this, it doesn't have to be double the limit.

Published 9:13 AM GMT+1, October 8, 2021

COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) — Danish police have confiscated a high-performance luxury car after its new owner was caught speeding as he drove it home from Germany to Norway, a northern Danish newspaper reported Friday.

The man, an Iraqi citizen resident in Norway who was not identified, was registered Thursday as driving at 236 kph (147 mph) in his Lamborghini Huracan on a stretch of highway where the top speed is 130 kph (81 mph).

Under a new Danish law, police can seize the vehicles of reckless drivers and auction them off, with the money going into Danish coffers.

The Nordjyske newspaper said the man had bought the car hours earlier in Germany for 2 million kroner ($310,000).

Jess Falberg, the on-duty officer with the northern Denmark police, told Nordjyske that the owner was “a little annoyed” when the car was seized.

The car owner will also be fined for speeding in due course.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121093056#Comment_121093056

why would you need to exceed 120km/h on your own land?

and it would still do 120km/h on the autobahn.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121093056#Comment_121093056

If you drive your car on private land or in Germany is completely irrelevant when it comes to the road traffic legislation in Ireland. If you want to drive your car here then you abide by the laws here. If you dislike that, then stay off the roads; just drive your car at speed in your garden and remember that you won't have to pay motor tax!

whomitconcerns

I fully agree with abide by the laws. Very strange point you staked your comment on.

My comment was why should your car be physically restricted to 120kph. And besides that I am pretty certain most accidents don't occur at speeds of 120kph so it would do little to solve the problem what.

And as for the above examples, fully support of you do even close to double the limit, confiscating your car. That's just insane.

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121093681#Comment_121093681

Restricting the cars to 120kph will do nothing for road safety. Motorways are the safest roads in the country. It's people travelling to fast for the road conditions that is the cause of RTCs.

The fact that lots of people are driving while using phones is a massive issue. Cheap no name tyres are part of the problem. Not wearing seat belts is still a problem, the recent crash in Cashel was most likely fatal due to the rear passengers not using seat belts.

Speed is a factor in a lot of crashes, but it's rarely the sole reason for a fatality and concentrating solely on speed means that distracted driving and unroadworthy vehicles are ignored.

Another problem with the "speed kills" gospel means that people ignore the rest reason which is "inappropriate speed kills". All residential areas in South Dublin CC have 30kph limits, nearly everyone ignores this and 50kph limits. 150kph on a motorway is relatively safe, 60kph in a 30kph zone is reckless.

magicbastarder

My comment was why should your car be physically restricted to 120kph.

simple answer; why shouldn't it? it's not legal to drive on a public road faster than that.

we have a law limiting e-scooters to 25km/h and no-one batted an eyelid; and an e-scooter probably weighs 1% or 2% what a car does. so why shouldn't we limit cars in the same way as e-scooters?

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058313089/motor-speeding-solved-a-bit

I drove high end / luxury work vehicles that were fitted with limiters. Saved the company a fortune in insurance….

my own view and that of everyone who drove one was that they were inherently unsafe on motorways / dual carriageways.

another motorist makes an error, yes you might need to brake quickly, but you might need to blitz the limit for a few seconds to avoid an accident in other situations…….

I’d rather be explaining to a Garda why I was clocked at 135 as opposed to a Garda explaining to my family that I’m seriously injured or worse…. Speed can get you into trouble but also get you out of it. It’s a very unnerving feeling driving a vehicle, wanting and needing revs because of a certain situation on the road but finding the vehicle incapable of the required revs / acceleration. Not good.

magicbastarder

this seems to be an article of faith that there are seemingly common situations where you need to exceed the speed limit to be safe. i genuinely cannot remember a single situation where i've found myself in that situation.

if you can explain the last time you found yourself in that situation, that'd be illuminating.

whomitconcerns

Easy. I came off the M1 ramp to the M50 years ago (I think that was the ramp anyway) as you round a bend, the lanes merge, limit is 50, I was doing around that when a truck came around obvs not paying attention to the merging lanes I guess, and was coming straight up besude me.

I went foot to the floor and well over 50 to get ahead of him safely.

magicbastarder

was there a reason you couldn't brake? you said he was coming up alongside you?

whomitconcerns

Behind and alongside, as mentioned the lanes merged and he must not have realised, it wasn't wide enough for 2 side by side.

Semantics really, safest option was to get out of there fast.

Annnyway.. All I'm saying is blanket physical restrictors are not a solution to the majority of road deaths

whomitconcerns

Just leaving this here also....120kph...... Try 320kph in a Tesla

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cw0nMHdtLlI/?igshid=YTUzYTFiZDMwYg==

fortwilliam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121094159#Comment_121094159

So how would a 120Kph limiter have had any impact on your "story"?

magicbastarder

s/he was responding to my question about accelerating past the speed limit, to get out of danger - not specifically about the 120km/h speed limit.

but it's worth mentioning that your acceleration if you floor it at 50 will be noticeably greater than if you try to accelerate if you're already doing 120km/h.

Mech1

Acceleration while turning is also usually more stable and controlled than hard braking.

fminus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121093957#Comment_121093957

I think focusing on speed alone is a very 1 dimensional approach if you genuinely care about road safety. The speeds limits in place today are the same ones that were in place in years when we had record low fatalities so there is more at play with the current increase in road deaths.

My own subjective experience from years on the road - a hell of a lot of people middle aged and above are abysmal drivers. Common grievances:

not indicating on roundabouts or when changing lanes, not driving anywhere near 100kph/120kph on national roads or motorways, yet blast through villages with 50/60kph limits - like they are hardcoded to only drive 70-80kph.

Based on seeing this week in, week out, i would very much be in favor of:

minimum speed limits - driving 60kph on national routes (think cork to limerick) leads to people overtaking which is a high risk activity on busy single lane routes. Obviously tractors get a free pass but at least they have the decency to pull in.

Well designed and promoted system by RSA and Gardai to submit dashcam footage that leads to penalty points. Should be a web portal where people can easily submit with a center of trained personnel to review footage and apply points accordingly. Would help catch a lot of the offenses are dangerous but outside the scope of speed vans. that Can have a transparent appeal process.

Have more strict criteria for old people driving. It sounds heartless i know but seriously, a lot of folks out there are no longer capable of safely controlling a vehicle. I

Hotblack Desiato

Christ, some of the posts here, it's hard to imagine they're from functioning adults. I haven't seen it suggested yet that drivers be crushed in their cars but give it time.

Have more strict criteria for old people driving. It sounds heartless i know but seriously, a lot of folks out there are no longer capable of safely controlling a vehicle.

This.

Relying on the family doctor to take responsibility for taking someone off the road isn't working. Yes growing old and failing health sucks but it beats the alternative so deal with it.

Also everyone should resit the driving test every ten years or after certain offences or accumulating enough points. It's amazing how the latter isn't a thing here, but we can barely seem to operate the testing system as is. Cars are (supposedly) tested every year or two but drivers, not cars, cause almost all accidents and pass one test in their lifetime if we're lucky.

Dramatik

We should just install those blow up guards that they have for beginners in bowling alleys, then people can drive as fast as they want without worry.

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121097693#Comment_121097693

What are your observations about the 25 to 50 year olds? Did you notice any difference between men and women drivers in the middle aged and above?

dxhound2005

The Gardai can seize cars for speeding.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/louth/dundalk-news/louth-gardai-get-tough-on-motorists-speeding-on-r173-dundalk-to-carlingford-road/a1627506003.html

Gardai seized a car belonging to an unaccompanied learner driver who was caught travelling at 93km/h in the 50 zone at Bellurgan just as parents were collecting children from school as part of a major crackdown on speeding on the R173 Dundalk to Carlingford Road.

Another driver detected doing at 112kph in an 80 zone at Bellurgan was arrested and charged after gardai discovered a previous disqualification.

magicbastarder

those cars weren't seized for speeding. they were seized because neither driver was legally allowed drive; the first because they had not passed a test, the second because they were disqualified.

sure, the speeding led to the drivers being stopped, but it was not the speeding that led to the subsequent actions.