UK battles to reverse EU endorsement of ‘Islas Malvinas’ name

ancapailldorcha

The EU has formally endorsed an Argentine effort referring to the disputed islands as Islas Malvinas. We have an NHS on its knees, rampant inequality, a recession and increasing inflation but the venal and ineffectual government we're lumbered with will no doubt attempt to cast themselves in the mold of Thatcher on this.

The UK was struggling to reverse a diplomatic defeat over the Falkland Islands on Wednesday after the EU endorsed an Argentina-backed declaration referring to Islas Malvinas, the Argentine name for the disputed territory. British diplomats requested that European Council president Charles Michel “clarify” the bloc’s position after Buenos Aires trumpeted a “diplomatic triumph” following a summit of EU leaders with Latin America and the Caribbean (Celac) leaders on Tuesday, according to EU and UK officials. But the request fell on deaf ears. “This was agreed by 27 member states and the Celac countries,” said an EU official. “We cannot issue a statement on their behalf. 

Nice to see the EU cut to the quick:

“The UK is not part of the EU. They are upset by the use of the word Malvinas. If they were in the EU perhaps they would have pushed back against it.”

The islanders clearly consider themselves British and voted almost unanimously to that end. Nothing will change because of this but I can't help but feel that this could have been avoided by the needless culture war nonsense and hatred of the EU espoused endless by the Conservative party.

Link:

https://www.ft.com/content/68c0efff-31bc-4dd3-81ae-226f9e970733

https://archive.ph/dryJm

HerrKuehn

I would like the EU to also endorse a less politically loaded term than the "British Isles" for Ireland and Britain. I suggest the French Archipelago as a more neutral term which I fully expect the Brits to get on board with.

pah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058305800/uk-battles-to-reverse-eu-endorsement-of-islas-malvinas-name

Who is this We?

greencap

Probably related to EU-Mercosur trade negotiations.

If Argentina/mercosur want it then sure, why not.

The EU's bread is well buttered on the mercosur side, if/when the deal can finally be signed off.

See also; Aukus.

Gatling

That's didn't last long

https://news.sky.com/story/regrettable-choice-of-words-eu-backs-down-after-calling-falklands-by-argentine-name-pm-12924158

Jack Daw

Although seeing as Britain are no longer part of the EU they can't really complain about anything the EU does it does show once again how incredibly childish the European Union are.They can't seem to stand the idea of a country that doesn't want to be part of it so deliberately needle them when really there is no need they could easily have chosen more politically neutral language to keep everyone happy.Some of the Eurocrat's threatened to remove english as an EU language which was obviously a stupid thing considering it is spoken widely across to bloc and is an official language in some countries in the EU.

The brits are very childish towards the EU but the EU itself has proven how childish they are aswell.

Podge_irl

The EU absolutely should not be referring to the Falkland Islands as the Malvinas and just cause the UK have been acting like arseholes doesn't make them less correct on this matter.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120875096#Comment_120875096

It didn't. A diplomatically unwise choice from the EU but ultimately a nothing story. It does hopefully save me from having to endure a new flavour of culture war nonsense over here. I thought there'd be a row hence my starting this thread.

Before the climbdown, they did in fairness say that they had no position over the islands as it wasn't their place which is fair enough.

Sunak will claim victory because it's the closest thing he has to a policy accomplishment.

greencap

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120875206#Comment_120875206

What climbdown?

Varik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120875206#Comment_120875206

For someone who wants to avoid culture war nonsense you were quick jumping into the trenches to score a few points.

HerrKuehn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120875100#Comment_120875100

It could be the case that Argentina was looking for it as part of the Mercorsur negotiations and it would be a very easy win for the EU. Anyway, doesn't the UK refer to Ireland and GB as the British Isles despite knowing it annoys a lot of people here, seeing as we don't regard Ireland as British?

greencap

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120875738#Comment_120875738

Its funny really. We're here speaking in whats considered to be one of the global languages (due to colonization), about an internal document which doesnt even concern the UK.

And the Brits are complaining about people having the audacity to speak among themselves in non-UK approved language, even though the location in question was originally known as les malouines (since 1764. No earlier name.), which quite naturally becomes las malvinas in Spanish.

Because to do so could be constued by the worlds most prolific colonizers as being in some way colonial.

The neck on the Brits is fuking stratospheric.

Reckless and vindictive use of language by the EU, irrespective of one's opinion on Brexit.

greencap

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120875979#Comment_120875979

An Orwell quote, of all people.

Cant people call a place by the language of their choice?

brickster69

Who cares what the Eu say anyway. The Falkland Island's people decided themselves what they wanted in a democratic referendum vote.

greencap

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120876042#Comment_120876042

Privately funded. Not recognized by the UN.

The Russians in Crimea could do the same tonight.

Your levels of recognition of the results in both jurisdictions would have to be consistent, or else you oppose the UN.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120876078#Comment_120876078

Easy to sort out, just have a referendum run by the UN in both Falklands and Crimea and the results would be valid.

What do you think the results in both would be ?

greencap

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120876151#Comment_120876151

UN wont conduct a referendum in either.

But in theory, Crimea would vote to be Russian. And las Malvinas would vote British.

Sham vote in both cases.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120876078#Comment_120876078

Was it?

All but three islanders wanted to stay with the UK so that's what should happen.

brickster69

Falklands response.

greencap

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120876182#Comment_120876182

Im sure the status quo will remain for a long long time, and Argentina wont waste a single life on the miserable place again.

However, to think that the British on the islands have any moral highground over anyone else would be wrong, if you check the history it was always just a matter of the side with the most force at any given time effectively kicking out or cancelling out the others claim. Justice, morality or democracy never came into it. (London did try to even get rid of the place at one point, ill let you read up on that yourself)

Donbas peoples republic, Falklands, about the same in my book, and the UN's.

greencap

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120876239#Comment_120876239

Lol. Name given to us.

Yeah in 1764.

Walks into cinema ... what are all you people doing in my sitting room.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120876399#Comment_120876399

Argentina never existed as a country in 1764.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120876372#Comment_120876372

I've no interest in researching your argument. If they want to be called the Falkland Islands, that's what I'll call them.

greencap

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120876518#Comment_120876518

Lolol.

Yes.

But the Spanish term "Las Malvinas" did.

Jesus W Christ.

greencap

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120876519#Comment_120876519

Nobody cares.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120876562#Comment_120876562

Many people do. Hence, this dispute.

Gatling

There's no Such place as donbas, Luhansk and donesk parts occupied by Russian forces

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120876042#Comment_120876042

that vote is not really relevant seeing as there is an illegally occupied territory elsewhere with an american army base on it, illegally occupied by the british and who's residents have no right of return.

the only reason there is any care for the malvinas by britain is immotional/centimental reasons and even then it's among a small minority that such care even exists.

majority of british would happily get rid of britain's over seas colonies and spend the money saved on worth while stuff.

Calahonda52

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120875979#Comment_120875979

or to quote my late grandfather: burn everything British but their coal

Galwayguy35

EU has no balls, they should have stuck to their guns.

selectamatic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120876792#Comment_120876792

Emotion and sentimentality are a distant 4th and 5th behind:

1. Fishing rights

2. Oil/gas exploration

3. The link between the islands and Britains territorial claims on the Antarctic.

greencap

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120877310#Comment_120877310

They did afaik.

Celac wanted the 250 year old Spanish term used in the EU-Celac documents, and the EU respectfully obliged.

UK sht the bed over strangers not communicating between themselves in the UKs preferred way.

The use of the term in EU-Celac communications remains.