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Tour de France 2023 ***spoilers*** Warning in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,996 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    The downhill finish only matters if a group go over the top together which is unlikely with an average of 10.5% for the last four kilometres before you reach the top.

    I'm starting to think the break won't stick now. There's no way the GC group let that break go. I'd expect UAE to close it down on this climb.

    Lot of big names there including Jai Hindley.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,182 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The Hindley situation is exactly what you want in a stage like this.

    No freewheeling up to the last climb.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,541 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Bit weird having Vaughters on talking about other riders, when he is currently DS'ing his own team at the same race



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,182 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I keep thinking the Israel guys are FdJ riders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,452 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Weren't they relegated? Can't get rid of them :)

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    Surprised at that. Vaughters is usually such a quiet, unassuming chap. You'd barely ever hear him comment on anything really.



  • Registered Users Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    Now we have an intriguing race! Podge and Vinegar are gonna charge up the Marie-Blanc and conspire to save each other cos by the time it comes around they might not have many other options. Will Wout and Tiesj be asked to wait? I see that Jack Haig and Valentin Maduoas are doing a lot of sitting in- two likely lads to attack further up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,996 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I don't know why they are leaving them out there so long. Hindley is a serious climber. I don't think they want to give him 90 seconds which is entirely possible if he gets to the bottom of the Marie Blanc with three minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,726 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Ah yes, forgot we’re not allowed to talk about riders unless we’ve competed in a pro grand tour ourselves of course, may as well shut down the thread lads



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,996 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    And ten minutes after I say that a minute is taken out of the break.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,726 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    UAE really drilling it now, wouldn’t be surprised to see it drop down another minute by the end of this climb



  • Registered Users Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Morris Garren


    'Writ Large'- What on earth does that mean?

    Meanwhile, back at the cycling, lots of looking around with the Yellow Jersey group. Time gap is going out again !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,745 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    here we go…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,182 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    TdF website trolling Yates by calling his group "group white jersey"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,726 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    He’s been dropped by the Pogacar/Jumbo group



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,726 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    This is a serious gap being opened now, Pog just slipping further back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    Balls



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,726 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Bit over a minute, but Pog is a better descender so be interesting to see how far can close down the gap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,872 ✭✭✭CrowdedHouse


    #menoftheras 😊

    Seven Worlds will Collide



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,026 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Sadly while things have been fun in the first few stages this doesn't bode well for the rest of the race. I mean fair play to Vingegaard but if nobody can match him then it's hardly an exciting 2 weeks ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,996 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Chapeau Jai Hindley. Great ride, no idea why the GC men let him away.

    It puts him in a good position where he can just sit on the wheel of Vingegaard. I don't expect him to win it but he could finish second now.

    Having said that I've looked at Pog's situation different to a lot of the experts who say he'll suffer in the third week.

    I think this first week is like training and the longer it goes the stronger he'll get.

    I predicted Vingegaard would go today. It's very big for him to take that much time out of Pog.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,452 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Buchmann sprinted to deny Vingegaard some bonus seconds at the end?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭JazzyJ


    What didn't Cicconne work with Vingegaard? They would have been putting time into everyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭JazzyJ




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,026 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Ciccone is not going for GC, not going to win the stage and not going to help Vingegaard win the TDF.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,726 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    I think Pog is definitely struggling to brush off the cobwebs at the moment vs how he’d usually be in top form coming into a GT like this, but I dunno if he’ll be able to get back to form quick enough before Jonas puts more minutes into him.

    Tomorrow has the Tourmalet, and then just 3 days after the big uphill finish la Font de l’Arbre with no rest days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,835 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    You won’t see him in week 3, once GC becomes beyond him he will pull out. Off to the Vuelta with a fully healed wrist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke


    Oooh! What a líne up that would be for the Vuelta.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    Poor Eddie Dunbar looking at the strengthening entry list for the Vuelta thinking "Crap. Not another one"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,312 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    I think Cicconne did give a turn at one stage, he was shown gesturing at Buchmann and Gall after it. Asking why the were doing nothing

    He was stupid to do so if he did.

    Great ride by Hindley. Anyone writing him off already is being premature IMO. (not to mention that everyone thought Pog had it wrapped up after week one last year)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,182 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    If Pog does lose any more time it would be interesting to see do himself and UAE have the skill to pull of an Angliru or do a Landis. Not sure they are that great a backroom team.

    Bora now gone from "which sprinter" to "why the fuk did we bring sprinters at all" 🤣

    Hindley is a GT winner and he's got balls so I think people should not right him off just yet. Cuddles got his big win against a similar "big 2" so maybe history repeats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,541 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Ciccone had skjelmose behind him with pog,who is the nominal gc leader, he should not have pulled



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,690 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Ciccone looked like he was told by his team to stop working for another team



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I think maybe he got the word, “you’re not going to catch Hindley, sit in and win the sprint for 2nd”. It was the right thing to do.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭JazzyJ


    Buchmann definitely wasn't going to do anything with Hindley up the road!

    I'd forgotten about him 🫣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,996 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Stage 6

    Another tough day but likely a breakaway day.

    It'll be interesting to see what happens in the GC group on the Tourmalet and if not there then in the last 5km which is very steep. I can't help but think that Vingegaard sees his opportunity right now to end Pog's GC chances. UAE have to settle in on this one and save the domestiques to protect Pog later in the stage.

    As for the break, it's hard not to see Powless, Gall and Lafay in it. They are all in really good form right now. Gall was unlucky today but I'll take Lafay for his second stage win.

    With the form Vingegaard is in and if he goes on the Tourmalet it wouldn't surprise me if he caught the break and won the stage.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    after yesterday I feel no excitement about the rest of the Tour. Vingegaard looks far too good and Pogacar off his best. Here’s hoping Hindley can make a real race out of it.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke


    Yeah, there's a reason that they usually don't go to the high mountains this early in the Tour. I wonder if Pog knew beforehand that he didn't have it and if he was trying to bluff strength in the 1st 2 stages.

    I also think that Vingegaard can read when he is struggling a little. He should get some lessons from the master poker face Quintana.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭geotrig


    felt the same last year with pogacar early on and that turned around on its head late on. Today is a big day for him has to stay with vinegegard at least if not try take a few secs out of him i think. hindley is interesting factor in all this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,125 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    watched the highlights on Disco+ last night. One moment they're on the big climb in the middle with Hindley in the breakaway and Pog and Vingo in the chasing pack; next they come back from a commercial break and Hindley is barreling towards the finish solo and Vingo has put a minute into Pog. Top editing there lads - was it the same on Eurosport? What's the f#!*ing point of highlights if you skip the key bit of the stage!

    I know people are saying it's already over, but surely Hindley has a chance from here? He's won the Giro before - nobody was really expecting Vingo to win it last year, or Pog 3 years ago...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    There's no way I'd write Pog off yet. No way. He's very young, his loss has come in the first week, had a minor injury and while he was forced off the bike for a number of weeks, that doesn't mean his scintillating form prior to that counts for nothing. If you were talking about an aul fella whose star was already waning and powers of recovery from injury diminished, or if this was the Vuelta and Pog had raced through a gruelling season, or if this was the last week of the Tour and all JV had to do was hang on for a couple of key stages, then yes it would be panic stations.

    I'd give Pog more than a fighting chance of putting it up to JV all the way to Paris.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    With all due respect to Carapaz and Landa who were beaten by Hindley at the Giro last year, Vingo and Pog are superior riders.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I was worried the UAE working so hard was to prevent attacks, because he wouldn’t be able to follow. Looks like that’s the case

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,745 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Will be interesting to see how Hindley is today after being in the break yesterday. He could have done with a nice flat stage today rather than the big mountains. Hope he does well!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,996 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    People are calling it far too early. We are only in the first week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,835 ✭✭✭✭dahat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,182 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Should be fine. This is as much his terrain as it is Vingos and when you are talking a 40+ rider break then the rules of "being in a break" don't apply.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,726 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Stranger things have happened in the tour, there’s still a long way to go, I wouldn’t write anyone out of the GC standings books yet.

    Apart from Egan Bernal because he lost like 3+ minutes yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,996 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I'd imagine the breakaway don't want the second group to catch up. Guerreiro, Powless and Perez would all be serious threats to win the stage, it's a serious five chasing.



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