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"Irish food and ingredients is world class / world leading / best in the word". According to who?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    The pigs comment is pretty ridiculous, alright.

    Not only are the conditions in which pigs in Ireland are kept awful, the pork from these animals is really bland and tasteless, too.

    Obviously, there are freerange exceptions to this but it's very much a minority. I won't eat supermarket pork anymore - I'd rather eat tofu!

    I'm lucky in that my butcher sources really good pork (that's not sold as freerange, but is nothing like your average pork) and also, fairly regularly, has freerange pork. The freerange is pricey but seriously delicious.



  • Registered Users Posts: 659 ✭✭✭eusap


    You clearly have never visited a piggery in Ireland, they are high tech, high welfare facilities. If we treated the homeless like we do the pigs it would be a better country



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    And I suppose our beef has 300% less of a carbon footprint than any other beef anywhere else, too? 😂

    I'm sorry, but keeping pigs indoors 24/7 is not high welfare, no matter how shiny and high tech the factory.

    And what about the product? It's bland and has poor texture. Irish mass produced pork is simply not a world class product, or even a good product and anyone claiming otherwise doesn't understand what good meat is.

    I suspect that you've never had a decent, freerange pork chop. If you had, you wouldn't be defending factory pork. Have you had freerange pork?

    Also our injection, wet curing of bacon hides a lot. Our mass produced bacon actually tastes OK - but no better than factory bacon from anywhere else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 659 ✭✭✭eusap


    You have to Distinguish the two, Irish Mass produced pork is produced in a world class safe way, which is what consumers of Pork meat want.

    If you want Free range tasty pork thats a different market and is not mass produced because the everyday consumer will not pay the high price



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    It may be produced in a world class manner, but it's a bog standard product. It's not high quality by any decent food standards. It really isn't anything to be proud of, imo.

    British pork is, generally, far, far better, in my experience.

    So we are great at producing massive amounts of tasteless, cheap pork. Let's celebrate 😂

    In my opinion, this is exactly what we shouldn't be doing if we want to maintain Ireland's reputation as a quality food producer, internationally.

    Perhaps we could become world leaders in producing chicken nuggets, too?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 659 ✭✭✭eusap


    Why does mc donalds choose irish chicken for there chicken nuggets to be exported across europe? because they are world class



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I give up. Clearly we are discussing completely different things.

    I am talking about maintaining and enhancing Ireland's reputation as a producer of high quality, high value foodstuffs.

    All you appear to be interested in is the commercial export of intensely produced, low value, mass market products.

    I take no pride in the fact that we are, apparently, expert at making cheap pork and chicken, processed products.

    If you represent the average Irish farmer, I despair for the future of Irish agriculture in this race to the bottom.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,676 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    if i want to eat world class chicken meat, i reach for chicken mcnuggets too!



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,371 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    Because we are very good at processing meat at a price that allows McD’s to make a good margin on it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    There is another Irish success story which, while being a large scale industrial producer, actually makes top notch products that are internationally sought : Silverhill Ducks.

    They supply the majority of Chinese restaurants in the UK and are now exporting to China.

    Commercial success and high food quality can go hand in hand.


    However any farming venture that rears animals indoors and (most likely) feeds imported food, isn't really dependant on being in Ireland for it's character.

    It isn't dependant on our climate, on our land. A pig, chicken or duck reared indoors and fed South American grain, doesn't care weather they are in Ireland or Poland, really.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    Have you? I'd be in one regularly. Often seen piglets crushed by sows. Also, it's common to see pigs eating each other, generally the weakling and often while alive. It's just accepted. Intensive pig farming is deeply cruel and always has been. Don't be kidding yourself.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,676 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Maybe he meant *a* piggery. As in, a specific one. I'm sure there has to be at least one which is a model of a well run, welfare driven piggery.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I dunno. The same person suggested that if we imprisoned homeless people in sheds, slaughtered them and ate them; that it would be better than the current system. A bit delusional, I think.



  • Registered Users Posts: 548 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    Did you actually read this before you posted it ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Yes.

    The poster in question actually said the following. Hence, my delusional comment.

    "You clearly have never visited a piggery in Ireland, they are high tech, high welfare facilities. If we treated the homeless like we do the pigs it would be a better country"

    You may argue that the poster didn't mean that literally. But what was the point of that comment? Animal welfare and homelessness are serious issues. People can't make outrageous, offensive, incorrect comments and not expect some backlash from them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    Interesting question. To be honest it is subjective.

    • in my view (having travelled a lot and lived abroad) our beef, lamb, butter, strawberries, high welfare chickens etc. are generally high quality.
    • some of our beef products are the best I have tasted anywhere. Some of what passes for beef is absolute muck.
    • our seafood and fish can be absolutely gorgeous if cooked/prepared well.
    • our potatoes have become very bland unless you know a good farmer.

    I think there is scope to have more artisan producers of food in Ireland.

    And we probably could benefit from better use of our natural resource for food production in restaurants without resorting to frozen thai chicken and ready battered frozen fish and mass produced chips.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Agree re potatoes.

    For a country so richly associated with the humble spud, we have little variety of potatoes and little enough collective knowledge of varieties and their uses.

    France, for instance, seems to have way more varieties and the knowledge to know their best uses.

    As long at they are floury, Irish people seem to be happy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 653 ✭✭✭FernandoTorres


    I've recently moved back from Australia and food is one of the reasons I miss it the most. The standard of nearly everything is better. That's not a criticism of Ireland it's just climate and geography mainly. One thing we definitely do badly is how we use the ingredients. There's so many restaurants where there's clearly no love in the food and most things come frozen. Before walking into a "gastro" pub in Ireland you could name 90% of what's on the menu. They're all the same. Of course we have great restaurants at the upper end but at the casual level I think we fall down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Get used to it because this is only going to get worse.

    Sysco and their bland mass produced shyte is a central cause of this.

    Shortage of chefs particularly Irish ones means they can pick and choose easy half prepped dishes with little cheffing in them. Everything with chips or **** tasteless mash. "I don't do desserts" so all those are bought in.

    Most of the best quality food is exported or used in high end restaurants.

    In future we'll be like the US - high quality food at high end prices and the rest garbage.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭JackieChang


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,758 ✭✭✭cython


    I hope you realise that you completely misinterpreted that post, and the poster was in fact rating Australia ahead of Ireland?



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    In terms of casual places to eat out, there is a lot of (frozen) chips with everything. And a few lettuce leaves to fill out the plate.

    The menus are very samey too. Fish and chips, burger and chips, overpriced pizza etc. Not everywhere of course.

    Maybe it's the Irish palette too that isn't willing to support anything different.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭JackieChang




  • Registered Users Posts: 6,614 ✭✭✭Feisar


    IMHO the spud is just a conduit for our world class butter!

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,876 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Irish raw ingredients are, in my experience, superior to pretty much any I have tasted in most places across the World.

    And by that, I mean we produce more high quality natural foodstuffs across the ingredients board.

    Some Countries produce amazing pasta or amazing wine or fabulous citrus fruits or cocoa beans or a rich selection of delicious exotic seafood or astonishing cheese.

    But, of territories that produce raw dairy, ours in the best. Of places that rear beef or lamb, or pork, ours is the best. Same goes for oats and barley and wheat, albeit we have a much smaller industry.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,614 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I had free range proper rashers, hand smoked on a virgin's thigh and god damn they were delicious.

    The issue is economics, €12 for lunch, the ingredients cost €4ish. Now, can you imagine this lads roast fore rib (or free range pork that was fed apples), fondant potatoes, roast carrot and a mashed turnip that seen the frost. Now, what would that cost to plate up and who's willing to pay it?


    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Our dairy produce is excellent, no doubt. But what do you know about Brittany's dairy industry, Romania's Austria's, Japan's. Have you compared the products? While I disagree with a lot of the OP's point, just because you say it's the best, does not make it so.

    Also, you, like someone else, you included pork amongst ireland"s "the best", meat products. That's just clear nonsense. It seems that you are happy to claim that everything Irish is "the best". This is exactly what has the op so insenced - people claiming that Irish everything is "the best", with zero evidence.

    Yes, our beef and lamb is excellent. So is lots of other people's beef and lamb. Have you sought out other high quality meats for comparison? Japanese beef, Welsh lamb etc etc

    Oats? What do you know about international oat production. Only 25% of our oats are for the human food chain. What backs up your claim?

    Honestly, I've never heard anyone claim that there's anything special about our barley. How is 'the best "?

    Wheat, you are joking here surely. A quick Google tells me :

    " The vast majority (>90%) of the national wheat crop is sold as feed grain, used for cattle, sheep, pigs and poultry. Only about 5% of the national crop grown is classified as ‘milling wheat’ and is used in the retail household flour market."

    So, we grow the best wheat in the world but we give 90% of it to animals?.


    Really we produce some great produce but blindly claiming that everything Irish is," the best " is just silly and lacks credibility under any kind of scrutiny!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,902 ✭✭✭timmyntc




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