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General CA trolls - it's embarrassing

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    So you are now pulling the harassment/ victim card because you don’t like the poster’s critical words?

    You are posting in a public forum, and you know full well that posts are visible to others. Bad form to be accusing people of being “creepy” just because they have seen your posts ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,336 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yep, piling on...

    I found the responses a bit of an attack on @[Deleted User] myself, but thought between the two of them, that is until you decided to get involved ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,296 ✭✭✭archfi


    I said it is quite hilarious that EVERYTHING not aligned with new ‘left’ critical thinking is ‘far right’ (eg Casey) while even more hilariously, having any right leaning opinion appears to be utterly intolerable with s o m e boards users.

    Your Cathy Newmanism was a bit uncalled for but there ya go.

    A thing isn't what it says it is.

    A thing is what it does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,336 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    That's twice you've called Peter Casey far-right. A truly disgusting thing to say and is indicative of someone that is so far-left they're in danger of falling off the edge.

    Lets see if you can work out why Mr Casey's vote was lower than the poll on boards shall we. I'll give you a little hint - You'd have to wonder why those polls were pulled.


    Just for clarity, here's what the 'far-right' Casey said in the podcast

     Casey described Irish Travellers as "basically people camping in someone else's land" who are "not paying their fair share of taxes in society"

     Words that would've made Himmler blush eh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,680 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I'm saying the quote functionality sucks compared to the previous site.

    I don't feel any obligation to quote or prove a anything considering there isn't any (or very little) feedback given when posts disappear or you get banned. We are expected to suck it up. That works both ways.

    In my opinion, there's no smoke without fire and this thread wouldn't exist or people be replying to it, if it was a non issue. It would just have been ignored by everyone on both sides.

    IMO by the time the thread has moved on a few hours and pages, quoting an older post out of context of the posts around it makes no sense. I was told to stop stressing about it and get a ice cream. Something to consider.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,680 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    "Cathy Newmanism" had to look that up.

    Quite the rabbit hole. If that was a thread title I know now to stay clear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,135 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Are you familiar with the concept of burden of proof?

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,135 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    So offensive posts are removed is what you're saying? So where's the issue?

    There's a cohort here who just want a safe space with no opinions they disagree with allowed.

    Like I said previously, it's just a tantrum.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,680 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Polls aren't always representative of his People will vote. Just as the internet isn't representative of how everyone thinks. Boards is an even smaller subset of that again.

    But media in general can have a disproportionate influence on things.

    Boards and mods have a fine line to tread. Their ball, their rules. Which we accept when we sign up. Might not always agree with them. But I can acknowledge and appreciate their efforts and work to keep the lights on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    It’s not a pile on. Claiming to feel intimidated by posters looking at one’s public posts is nothing but disingenuous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,680 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Not sure why you think the rules of a forum or moderation are a "tantrum".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,680 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Ice cream....ice cream.... typo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,135 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    That's clearly not what I'm saying.

    Saying that CA is full to the brim with offensive rhetoric isn't true and the OP is outlining a proposal to silence all opinions they disagree with which is a bloody tantrum.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,680 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Sure sounds more like what you are doing. OP expressed an opinion. You can just ignore it, or disagree with it instead of having a tantrum.

    It's unlikely to change anyway. You can sleep soundly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,135 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I'm asking for evidence of this hate filled posting which has been routinely denied and or claimed to be an unreasonable ask by a number of posters, yourself included.

    What do you want to see happen in CA?

    Hate posts are already being removed and posters banned.

    Should anything other than a left wing opinion be something that immediately warrants a site ban?

    What's the end game here?

    Do you even know what you want?

    Glazers Out!



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,455 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    I really cannot believe anyone pays much attention to polls on this site.

    It's very easy for people who have a strong view (from either side) to vote, but those who may be indifferent often would not bother. Hence they tend to reflect more of the extremes than the general consensus, and indeed they can then attract even more extreme views when people think they can use this site to express them.

    And it's also reflected in threads like this. The vast majority who are happy with the site, who feel they have nothing to be concerned about, or nothing to contribute, steer clear. Threads like this (and we get them regularly) typically attract those who want to shout loudest to try and force their own views across.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Frankie Machine


    The thing is, though - if the evidence irrefutably showed that gangs of youths running amok with machetes were indeed 'African', many of the same people who call everything they disagree with 'bigotry' and 'racism', would still do so.

    It's a modus operandi, and this is unfortunately where we're at, both as a society and a forum. Pathetic aping of American discourse.

    Whereas it is indeed possible for 'adults' to make precisely that point. Not because they are being racist (in the real sense of the word, which is the only important one) in intent, but because they know that as a general rule of thumb, debate is helped by having more precise information, not less precise.

    The consequences of that may make for uncomfortable hearing to those who wish the real world were like a Benetton ad, but that's just tough. When they become middle-aged themselves (which is no crime, yet) maybe they'll realise they actually didn't know it all when they thought that a valid criticism to make of others.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not gonna bother wasting my evening by responding much but just a few examples.

    The Tate tread - pretty much just an excuse to try to normalise a pretty disgusting person and get a few digs in about women along the way.

    The Barbie Kardashian thread - pretty much just an excuse to have a go at trans people on the basis of one extreme outlier.

    The Woke-ism thread - a lot of punching down at all sorts of minorities.

    The Criminal Justice Bill thread - currently in the throes of trying to link something happening in Germany with trans issues.

    Time for a zero refugee policy - I'm mean, the title of the thread alone does a lot of the heavy lifting by itself as to the content. A few relatively new accounts currently doing a bit of sh*t-stirring about climate change and, believe it or not, providing Africa with more information on the rhythm method.

    Just today a couple of immigrant and Ukrainian bashing threads were closed down.

    <snip>

    Post edited by Beasty on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,680 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The OP expressed an option I simply agreed on general terms. I can't be more specific, it's against the rules.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,135 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    All of those threads are moderated perfectly well. They aren't hotbeds of hate speech by any means.

    And yes you are wrong I wasn't banned for being offensive at any point. I've had a few threadbans for engaging in back and forths with a couple of posters who I've had differing opinions with but I don't engage in hate speech.

    Like everything else you're saying here, that was wrong but you posted it regardless of the fact you didn't do your due diligence.

    Thanks for attempting to tarnish me and my contribution here by associating me with hate speech.

    You need to be an awful lot more prepared for this type of discussion because all you've provided so far is your opinion and facts have been notably absent.

    Have you had any joy shutting down your profile?

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,135 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    It's against the rules to link to an example of the type of posting you're arguing exists on this site? Which rule is it you're referring to exactly?

    Glazers Out!



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 19,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Fair enough. I do apologise, but I never used the phrase "hate speech". As to closing my account, apparently it can take up to 21 days for it to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,029 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    How can we forget the recent post on how Africans have lower IQs than the rest of the world that was left open for days? Basically to say hey look i told you so, black people are thick. Opened by a guy who has regularly given out about "darker skinned" people being all over O Connell St etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,135 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    You, without evidence accused me of being banned from the site for "being offensive". I've never received a site ban as it happens.

    Apologising in advance tells me that you knew that you couldn't make that statement with any confidence and that you knew it would be something I would find offensive.

    Your apology means nothing because you ignored the fact that what you were saying was a fabrication and went ahead and said it with the intention to undermine anything I've said here.

    This is why people take issue with your assertions in this thread.

    It's one rule for you and another for everyone else. You should be ashamed of yourself.

    Edit, I see the original accusation was removed. If this needs to be deleted then it's fair enough.

    Glazers Out!



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,455 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    It's not at all against the rules. Allegations have been made and posters should be able to back up their allegations with real examples. If not their allegations carry pretty much zero weight



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,455 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    The post has been snipped and the poster has been told not to make such comments again. That's the end of it

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,770 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The good news is Boards isn't barometer of Irish society or the massive influence on Irish society that these clowns think it is.



  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think you're being deliberately obtuse here, Jequ0n. I have no issue with posters reading any of my posts.

    However, the poster in question went to extra trouble to tell me - not just once, but twice - how they have singled my posts out and "watched" them (their choice of word) for their particular attention.

    That I do find creepy.

    Did I claim I felt harassed or victimised? No. That's something you're trying to project onto me. I also couldn't care less about the criticism of some random username on an internet forum. I'm not about to lose any sleep over it. As my mother used to say, "your opinion of me is none of my business".

    But I have to say, I do find it amusing that a bunch of posters who are so completely adamant that CA (and maybe also AH) should basically allow anyone, any opinion (even if it breaks Boards own charter) are here trying their hardest to shut me or anyone else who doesn't agree with them down. I find that such a double standard.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,135 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Who said you should be "shut down"?

    Also anything that goes against the charter of the site is dealt with within the parameters of said charter which makes your statement above redundant.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    If it creeps you out you should probably stop posting because they won’t be the only poster.

    Nobody is arguing that every opinion should be allowed in AH and CA. There are obvious radical idiots on both sides who want to simply stir up things( but it’s a real pity when moderate posts get tarred with the same brush just because some people want to shut down any discussion on said topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    My cousin is a psychiatric nurse and given the amount of times some of their more troubled patients mention as gospel what they read and post on there, here, Facebook etc and rant about censorship, leftists etc is a case of either laugh or cry depending on how their day is going.

    Not to say that their aren't others that are born with an affliction for which there is no cure.

    Either way I'd say your safe enough.



  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    @Jequ0n

    Please don't continue to misrepresent me. I have never claimed to be intimidated by anyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,135 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    So, non left leaning people should be at least loosely associated with people who require acute psychiatric care?

    There's a nasty undercurrent to some of the posts here.

    Glazers Out!



  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Telling posters they should stay away, leave, or stop posting is attempting to shut them down, in my opinion.

    It's also quite hypocritical of those who claim to welcome any opinion as open for discussion.

    Didn't you also just ask nudain how closing their account was going?

    (eta) oh look! Fresh example just provided of being told to stop posting!

    (eta 2) also, @nullzero

    The Boards charter does not allow transphobic posts.

    Yet according to some, they should be allowed for the sake of "discussion".

    Well, no. They shouldn't.

    And around and around we go. I think we're just about back where we started.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,026 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I’ve had this out a few times on Boards from those who appear to be hugely anxious to downplay the far right leanings of Casey and on Boards. If you fancy searching back through my posts, you’ll find the multiple examples from mainstream media referencing Casey as far right. It’s not my opinion, it’s a widespread view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,026 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Defensive much? It’s not a personal attack, and it’s not a criticism of individual mods. I’m just pointing out that some structured feedback loop would be helpful, so those reporting can judge if their reports are generally accepted or are they wasting their time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Never said or implied that, can't help what you dream up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,135 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Nobody is instructing you to do anything.

    That poster suggested you should stop posting if you can't handle the realities of engaging in discussion. That isn't the same as saying you shouldn't post or shouldn't be allowed to post.

    You're suggesting there's some sort of witch hunt against you which is an invention of your own imagination.

    If I go full bore in a thread on a controversial or heated topic I can expect push back, I've been piled on plenty of times on this site but I made the decision to be in that situation.

    I would suggest you remember that you made the decision to engage all by yourself. The reality is that if you're not willing to engage with that process then don't get involved. That isn't an attempt to censor you, it's a suggestion that your expectations aren't calibrated correctly and that if you continue as you have been you will continue to take offence which isn't a very rewarding experience.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,135 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I am hardly be accused of dreaming up something you wrote.

    Glazers Out!



  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Good thing, because I don't follow instructions from posters. I also don't have to heed their "suggestions".

    I am more than able to handle the realities of engaging in discussion. I don't think its me that has that difficulty.

    I'm not one of those here getting increasingly frustrated at each new post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    And nothing I wrote stated or implied what you claimed, so perhaps it is a comprehension issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,135 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Why did you post it in the first place?

    It could be a complete fabrication for all anyone here knows. You said it to make a point. Nothing you said can be verified.

    Does your cousin deal with any psychiatric patients with extreme left wing biases?

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,696 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Regarding the presence or not of trolls in CA its a pity you cant see how many times users have been banned from threads in total. That could give people a good idea if someone they are engaging in conversation with are a troll or not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,135 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    If you don't follow instructions or suggestions why are you so animated by them?

    You're also projecting increasing frustration onto other posters for some reason.

    I've had serious arguments with other posters on this site but I've never come across the type of persecution complex you're displaying.

    If you're happy to get on with things then do just that and stop seeing bogeymen in every thread.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    No I never asked the poster anything like that. You have a vivid imagination though, I give you that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,680 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Quite the thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭I.R.Y.E.D


    Someone telling another person that the death threats/fantasies that they read online are mainly from people who a medical professional has to deal with and listen to their rants, are just that, fantasies, and that they will ok, seems to really have gotten your knickers in a twist for some reason.

    If you have an issue with that, well then that is on you, not me, and as you have said multiple times on here, where is your proof that it isn't the case.

    As for your question if they treat people who are leftists, sure they do as well as centrist and people of no political leaning



  • Posts: 1,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nothing in this post makes any sense to me. I literally have no clue at this point what you're talking about. I don't think you even know yourself anymore.

    I have no "persecution complex"? Or is that another type of passive aggressive dig at my expense I should be insulted about?

    I'm quite happy to keep doing exactly as I have been doing, including reporting posts if and when I believe a report is warranted.



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