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Petrol hybrid or plug in hybrid can you advise please before I buy

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  • 25-03-2023 4:26pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 615 ✭✭✭


    Hi, looking for advice please which one would you buy or are they a good buy in general?

    going to test drive next week at the dealers

    kia Niro 2018 petrol hybrid €23k, 78km high spec 3

    kia Niro 2018 plug in petrol hybrid €25k, 68km , high spec 3

    Currently wfh but will be going back to the office 3 days a week, 100km round trip daily, charging points at work

    Both automatic, black in colour,

    Thanks



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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,404 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Tbh, petrol hybrid (charging the battery by burning petrol) is a bit of a con really. You'll hear then called self-charging too, which is a bit of marketing speak, they don't self charge.

    I'd definitely go for a plug in hybrid if you can. Don't think there are any phev that will take you to work solely on electric power. But you should be able to get halfway on battery alone.

    Have you considered full eV? Easily achievable for your commute. And if you don't do much miles, you might not even need to charge at home, let your employer pay for your fuel!



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,161 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I'd recommend getting the PHEV, you should be able to manage 25-30km on a charge. If you charge at work and home that'll be about 50% of your commute fully electric

    Just be aware that if you don't charge a PHEV every night before using it then it's effectively just a regular petrol car

    Be sure you know what you're getting into before committing

    If you're interested in going fully electric, then there's several BEVs that will manage that trip with plenty to spare. A 2nd hand Leaf 40kWh for example should have about twice the range you need on the coldest days of winter

    Since you're in 3 days, you could charge in work for free (presumably, worth checking) and that would probably cover most of your other driving

    I would strongly recommend getting a home charger anyway if you go PHEV or BEV, no use in getting one if you're driving a regular hybrid

    If charging at home you'll want to look around at electricity tariffs and whether you can get a night meter to avail of cheaper electricity during the night

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,552 ✭✭✭Thumper Long


    If it’s a shootout between the 2 the PHEV (approx 40Kms range) providing you can charge at home on night /EV rate and free charging at work will allow you to probably do about 70% of your round trip on electrons and save you a lot on fuel costs, but you’ll be running on petrol for any other journeys those days until you can charge again. That kind of mileage is well doable in nearly any EV but it all depends on budget and car type preference. An e-Niro would probably cost you 30K but it all depends on your budget and 5K will buy a lot of dinosaur juice. You’ll get a lot of pro EV opinions here, but that is mostly down to the positive experiences of switching to EV and the benefits as they are so easy to drive. While an EV might have a larger initial outlay, it should hold its value better as you would expect the want for EVs to grow over the next few years and that to be reflected in residuals. Include any fuel and servicing costs in your calculations you might be surprised by the results.



  • Registered Users Posts: 615 ✭✭✭waxmelts2000


    Thank you guys for response, yes free charging at work. I just drove my sisters car as I’ve never driven even automatic!


    budget around 25k if possible


    I’ll drive it Monday and let you know !



  • Registered Users Posts: 96 ✭✭yermanthere


    Tbh PHEV is not cost-effective unless you have free charging somewhere. And can use that subsidised charging very regularly. I did some quick calculations and at current night rates and petrol rates PHEV saves e400 per 10k kilometres. And that's being very generous. Probably more like e350/10k.

    PHEV is 2k more as above. For a new PHEV it's what, 3k more in price? That's a lot of mileage before you claw back those savings. And your paying interest on the higher loan for PHEV.


    Now on the flip side , electricity prices MAY go down. petrol prices WILL continue climbing. But who knows by how much. And PHEV is heavy and complicated. Hybrid is proven, low tech system with good longevity. Just my thoughts.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭pauly58


    We bought a Honda Jazz Hybrid last year, very pleased with her, I have got 80mpg but generally in the sixties. Very comfortable with good seats & it's a Honda, made in Japan.

    There's a lot to consider as to what you buy, depreciation being one & re-sale value. My eldest son has a Tesla 3 & is very happy with it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    If you have a driveway AND you can charge for free at work, a BEV is the way to go. Leaf 40 will be in your budget.

    It’s not just about fuel, it’s riding comfort and runnings costs. A BEV requires almost no maintenance compared to a car with an ICE. I estimate I spent around €800 per year if I spread the cost of the expensive jobs.

    For context, I would service my ICE vehicles at least twice per year and dreaded the larger costs on jobs I couldn’t or wouldn’t do for safety reasons. My 2014 Leaf had a break fluid flush yesterday. It’s gone through 2 sets of tires and windshield wipers (I think) and had a warranty covered repair for wheel alignment. I’ve owned the car 6 years and spent about €1000 on maintenance and consumables. There’s around 100k on the clock.

    You should test drive a full BEV Niro for comparison.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users Posts: 615 ✭✭✭waxmelts2000


    Guys, I’m buying car tomorrow however I’m getting the run around from the dealer about the charging cables. My understanding was that I should get 2 cables


    granny 3 pin plug for home, slow charger I know

    charger for public charging also to use for when I get the home charging station installed?


    am I correct in my thoughts here ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,670 ✭✭✭corks finest


    Well they do charge,once u drive normal,ease off gas going downhill

    I've had 3 petrol hybrid cars , including presently

    I drive easy and get a good 64/5 MPG

    Happy out



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,161 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Depends on the car, earlier Leafs got a granny lead, some got a type 1 cable, later ones got type 2 cable


    My ID.4 came with both a granny lead and Type 2 cable

    If you can dig up the spec of the car you might be able to figure out what it had when new


    Also check what the ad says (probably nothing)

    They do have a tendency to go walkies I think in the dealership. My Leaf had none and when I asked the salesman grabbed a Type 2 lead from another car

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    by right yes 2, the previous owner might have kept them, there is no advantage to owning the car if you cannot charge at home or work.



  • Registered Users Posts: 615 ✭✭✭waxmelts2000


    He has found one cable ( not the granny cable )

    the previous owner did give the 2 cables when he sold to the garage so it’s gone missing at the dealership



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