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Shooting in Hamburg; Germany

  • 09-03-2023 9:56pm
    Registered Users Posts: 8,198 ✭✭✭dublinman1990

    Six people have been killed with several others wounded so far.

    The shooting took place at a Jehovah's Witness centre according to German Police.

    Source BBC News & The Guardian



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,594 ✭✭✭WrenBoy

    "Police say no perpetrator at large" has there been any reports they have apprehended or shot someone ?

  • Registered Users Posts: 82,008 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1

    I thought on the run but maybe caught now

    RIP the 6 deceased

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭AyeGer

    Very sad to see this happening again, Germany is a country that has taken in a lot of people in recent years. This sort of mindless murder is an abomination to any decent person regardless of what faith they have or may not have. There are photos of the gunman on the daily mail.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,198 ✭✭✭dublinman1990

    German police have said the perpetrator was shot dead although not confirmed. He is the only additional fatality to have died in this shooting so far. That is seven people killed along with 25 people injured.

    It is still a tragic incident either way for the people of Germany. We preferably would not want to see things like this to happen again on Europe's streets.

    However; there are a minority of sickos out there who are still not listening to the message that we need to live in peace and not hate.

    That is the sad reality of living in Europe at the moment.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603

    Were there any witnesses? .....

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭85603

    just dropping a direct link because that is an absolute abomination of a website to wade through.

    Clear your cookies all ye who venture forth.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,555 ✭✭✭Jequ0n

    Members of a fanatical sect get killed by former member of the congregation. I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more frequently.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,848 ✭✭✭✭Grayson

    Yep. Ireland has far bigger threats from domestic terrorists.

    I'm kind of a bit baffled by the motivations for this. When this sort of thing happens it's generally far right, islamic or some kind of incel type thing. But a JW church doesn't really fit as a target with any of those groups. Each of them would have probably picked a more mainstream target, if they were picking a church at all. I could be wrong though and only time will tell.

    Although I have a dislike for the JW's and would even think of them as a type of cult, this is a horrific attack. And it's worth mentioning that during nazi germany, the JW's were targeted by the nazi's as well. They were sent to concentration camps and had to wear purple triangles to identify them.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy

    Yes indeed. I always wonder at that mentality. Does it make a difference to the victim of the crime if the perpetrator is Irish or not? Maybe after a murder the police should issue a press statement reassuring the victim's family that the killer was Irish so they shouldn't feel as bad.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,848 ✭✭✭✭Grayson

    I live in NRW and have lots of foreign friends. They seem perfectly happy here and haven't seen anything. I have read reports of the former east Germany and it sounded exactly like you described. It's the AfD heartland. Here I've seen plenty of stickers saying "Fcuk AfD". In some ways east and west Germany are still very different countries.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,848 ✭✭✭✭Grayson

    I just saw a report which said that the shooter may be a former member. No confirmation yet. That would make sense. The JW are ridiculously strict and there's loads of reports of coercion and shunning.

  • Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy

    Yes it's a completely place Grayson. Sorry I posted too fast. I mean you wouldn't believe the difference in East and West. Here's an article about racism in east Germany.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,848 ✭✭✭✭Grayson

    It honestly sounds like psychological torture. I've read a load of articles about them and follow a few youtubers who were former members.

    On the other side, every single JW I've met has been lovely. It's one of those weird situations where a religion can make otherwise nice people do horrible things.

  • Registered Users Posts: 404 ✭✭Kurooi

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,418 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    "Police confirmed that they had previously received an anonymous tip-off that raised concerns about the perpetrator's mental health. Officers had visited him after the tip-off - but did not have enough grounds to take away his gun at the time."

  • Registered Users Posts: 82,008 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭AyeGer

    Hardly a stretch to imagine these shootings could be carried out by islamists. This one may not have been but I make no apologies for assuming it may be an Islamic terrorist attack given the recent history in Europe of attacks. It’s down to good police surveillance that we do not experience more of them.

    Btw I’m not sure you give much of a damn who it was or how many died so long as you can soapbox your anti racism credentials.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Jarhead_Tendler

    This happened in Germany lad. Hamburg is in Germany not Ireland

  • Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy

    Why would I give a flying f about who the shooter is? A German shooter is the same as an immigrant shooter. One isn't worse than the other.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭AyeGer

    It’s a big sense of relief for you when the shooter isn’t an immigrant.

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  • You made a presumption, loaded with bias, and you were wrong. Instead of carrying out some introspection to examine this bias and see where you might possibly learn from this mistake, you now double down and confirm to the entire Internet that you are a proud bigot, happy to discriminate against a quarter of the people on the planet.

    Then you accuse me of soapboxing 😂😂😂

    I’m not sure you give much of a damn who it was or how many died so long as you can soapbox your anti racism credentials

    There you go making assumptions again, see what I mean about learning from your mistakes?, actually, you probably don't.