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Why wont die hard GAA fans admit football these days is muck?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,980 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    Why are most teams just basically copying each others tactics? like when the Derry keeper comes out, why doesn't the other team leave a man on the edge of the Derry box and wait until the ball is turned over, kick it down to the free man and its an open goal. They haven't a clue how to tackle either, the keepers get either left alone out around midfield with the ball or they barge him over or drag him to the ground because the art of tackling is gone. Its easy enough to tackle a player, you shoulder him or knock the ball out of his hands when he tries to play the ball.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭thinkabouit




  • Registered Users Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Davys Fits


    Managers are not in the entertainment business. They will bend the rules to win matches and dont care how much enjoyment we get from watching it. If the rules of the game allows continuous handpassing to keep possession then why would they try anything more risky?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Billy Ocean


    One thing I'd like to see trialled in an early year competition in 2024 is no backwards or sideways handpassing until you get within a certain distance of the opposition goal ( either the 21 or 45), the lateral handpassing around midfield is a big momentum killer in games.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    Sounds like managers have a mindset and attitude problem and even worse, fear.

    basically copy and paste what they’re doing and hope it works for us regardless of our panel’s talent’s.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,460 ✭✭✭thinkabouit


    I’ll never watch a game again if something like this was to happen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Let’s be honest the game is “muck’ right now.

    This possession football is killing the game. Make no mistake about that.

    30 or 40 hand passes to try to engineer a score….nah mate…you can keep that.

    GAA. need to act fast or these borefests like Derry v Dublin will continue.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,311 ✭✭✭Gael85


    What about the 15 bodies behind the ball? Teams seldom kick ball in with 3/ 4 lads sweeping on front of FB line.



  • Registered Users Posts: 791 ✭✭✭Butson


    You get the odd cracker between Dublin v Kerry, or some of the Mayo games when they were on their run were great, but as a rule it's dreadful stuff. Easy to see why, as it's all about possession for the teams with slow build up play etc, but as a spectacle, it's awful. Was in Croke Park twice last summer and won't go again. People chatting away while the endless back and forth handpassing goes on.

    Hurling is not as good to watch as it was. When it was based on 14 duels around the pitch i.e beat your man, as helter skelter as it was, it was great viewing. Again, more about possession now and not giving it away cheaply.

    But still, miles better than gaelic football.



  • Registered Users Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Davys Fits


    Hurling is following football in keeping possession and again the handpass is the key to it. If you mention going back to 14 duels then your old fashioned. Is there any game easier to keep possession now than Gaelic football? Both games need addressing re the hand-pass be it throws or simply the excessive number of them in a game,



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  • Registered Users Posts: 710 ✭✭✭BOHSBOHS


    simple fix

    the 3 players named in the full forward line (or their substitutes ) cannot retreat past the oppo 45/65

    infringement = immediate 45 or 20m free to other team



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Yes agree there, and don’t want to shift the thread away from football but is there anything more boring than a hurling game with scores of 1.28 to 18 pts and most of them frees?

    Both games need a good honest revamp in my opinion.

    I expected a lot more from the current Ard Stiurihore regarding innovation and pragmatism, but it didn’t happen.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭crusd


    On Sunday in Roscommon, the Roscommon goalie started coming out sometimes towards the 65 to add an extra option, even though they didn't do much. In the second half I noticed when this happened that O'Connor or Conroy would leg it into the 20 taking a defender with them, with the goalie not far behind



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Stop with the stupid situational/zonal rules, leave that nonsense to rugby

    GAAs current problem is that its like Rugby and basketball, the core "skill" is throwing the ball around.

    just outlaw catching handpasses in both codes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭crusd


    There reason goalies have become the go to for long range frees is because of their accuracy at distance has stepped up because of the increased importance of kickouts. Its natural that the skill is transferable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Sterling Archer


    ALet's just go crazy altogether...


    Once you cross a line you cannot go back across it, that's all lines from your own 14 all the way to the opposite 14



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    When a goalkeepers accuracy is more important than a forwards accuracy, there is a problem and it needs to be fixed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20 Kilkennyguy5


    Have been at innumerable matches down through the years,all codes but have to agree,in recent years football can be really hard to watch.Teams retain possession at the expense of going for a score,you see players moving the ball to within ten yards of the opposition goal then passing it back down the pitch.Hurling has its faults but its still far ahead in terms of excitement



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭crusd


    How is it that 30 to 40 passes to engineer a score in GAA is muck and 30 or 40 passes to engineer a score in soccer is desirable



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭crusd


    90%+ of the time a forward will be shooting from within 40m. When there is someone else on the field with the ability to kick accurately from distance why is there an issue when its not a forward. Whether the number 15 or number 1 kicks a free from 50 metres, its still worth 1 point.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭farmingquestion


    It shows a lack of skill in the forwards, which is what the inside forward line should be good at...scoring!

    The time taken adds up too, goalie trotting up taking forever.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭crusd


    Hurling's problem is its become too easy to score. Puck out, hand pass, score from 80m; puck out, hand pass, score from 65m, rinse and repeat all day. 0-35 to 0-33, how exciting.

    1992 all Ireland hurling final 3-10 to 1-12. Savage game. 2003 - 1-14 to 1-11. No one can say they weren't great Kilkenny and Cork teams because there weren't 60 scores.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭crusd


    An inside forwards key skill is not shooting from 50meters



  • Registered Users Posts: 20 Kilkennyguy5


    thats true,they're scoring points from way too far out now,too much handpassing too....in my day a handpass was cos you're being tackled or someone's in a better position,now it seems just for the sake of it



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭crusd


    Discussion for another thread - how about just making sure they are using legal hurls



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,848 ✭✭✭randd1


    Absolutely spot on.

    Even average teams can rack up 20-25 points a game at inter-county level. When you add in wides and sidelines along with scores, there may be up to 100 times a game when the ball goes dead. You'd have to wonder how much hurling is actually done in a game of hurling. Add in the throw replacing the handpass (I'd say 90% throw at this stage), the steps rule being ignored, lads holding the ball going into tackles with the head down, the repeated third man interference leading to rucks, the possession game and ignoring the rules by all and sundry has seen hurling abandon a lot of the organised chaos that makes it so great. The quality of skill as the highest level is so good that sport gets away with it somewhat, but it's becoming a more boring sport to watch by the month.

    Club hurling is actually a better watch, the lower standard means you see more mistakes and consequently, a lot of plans go out the window regularly and the teams just go at each other.

    If given a free reign to make changes to hurling, I'd 1) remove the handpass form the same hand to remove the throw from the game, 2) add 10% weight to the sliothar and a slightly longer rim, 3) all puckouts have to go past your own 45, 4) no subs after the 30/35 minute mark of each half, 5) hurls have to be regulation size and measured when taking to the field (some sort of device to be designed to prevent bigger hurls) and 6) if a player goes down with an injury, he has to leave the field for treatment, and can't return until the following play (or second play if the next play is a free) has been completed (this ensure a genuine injury is treated, and someone faking an injury leaves the field)

    I reckon a lot of those rules would put a bit more organised chaos back into the game, a bit more honesty, and make scoring a little more difficult.

    At least you can say with the football lads, they're at least trying out things like the advanced mark and having proper discussions over the way the game is played for a while now. There's a massive dearth of leadership along the same lines within hurling to even address it's issues, it's all swept under the rug of "it's the greatest sport in the world".



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Who said 30 or 40 passes in soccer to engineer a score is desirable?

    If you can find that poster just ask them?



  • Registered Users Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Davys Fits


    Because the ball is kicked. Surely you can appreciate that its a lot more difficult than 40 handpasses.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭shockframe


    Gaelic Football has it pretty good if we can use Spurs v Ac Milan as a comparison 😁



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,109 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    God be with the days when a lad would let fly with a ground stroke, ala Adrian Fenlon or Fenton's wonderstrike. Was an art in itself. You rarely, if ever, see ground hurling anymore, all rucks for the ball, followed either by a throw in or one team managing to gain possession and proceed to hand pass it around before a robot swings over from the next parish.

    I think in gaelic football, all kick-outs must go beyond your own 45, and only the four designated midfielders are allowed contest it in that zone. The art of high catching might become valued again. No passing backwards once you cross the opposition 45 either- should be easy to implement at all levels, unlike some of the vagrancies of the advanced mark where a few refs still can't judge if it's travelled the required distance.

    I'd also like to see something implemented where the defending team can't have any more than one extra player than the attacking team inside their '45 (either all game or in last 10 mins). Might lead to more creative thinking than the current plus twos or threes, or wing-forwards playing as auxillary backs.

    Then again, the GAA is governed by fear. The top brass afraid to make tough calls so hide behind myriad of committees, and county teams now afraid to do the godawful thing of losing possession in a game (which has filtered down to clubs). You'd swear it was big-money professional sport with livelihoods at stake.

    It's all just too....serious nowadays.



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