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Why wont die hard GAA fans admit football these days is muck?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,110 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    11 a side and stop the goalkeepers travelling up the field. no frees going backwards, only 2 players allowed tackle the player in possession.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭randd1


    Th most obvious start they can make to improving football is to get rid of the 3 from 4 out of the group stage and the league SF's.

    There's virtually no jeopardy in the group phase until the last game, and even at that most of them games need only a draw for the 3 from 4 to progress. Limit it to two from each group, and the suddenly the tension and desire to go out and win goes up massive from the off as one bad result and you're staring down the barrel. A very obvious move.

    Remove the league SF's. We don't need them.

    That's two rounds of games removed throughout the year, so two weeks freed up in the calendar as well.

    I would also have the 1st round of the provincials played after round 5 of the league, the provincial QF's after round 6, have round 7 of the league and then the League Finals, then the Provincial SF's and finals the two weeks after the league finals so some teams aren't waiting as long as others for their opening game in the Championship/Tailteann Cup.

    And FFS, rename the Tailteann Cup the All-Ireland Intermediate Football Championship (because that's what it is) and give the winners guaranteed entry into the following seasons senior championship. A small difference, but ending the season as All-Ireland Intermediate Champions is an easier sell then Tailteann Cup winners, if it's good enough for the clubs, then it's good enough for the counties..



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,329 ✭✭✭megadodge


    "Remove the league SF's. We don't need them."

    What league SF's?



  • Registered Users Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Treble double


    Relax! No need to get edgy about the football, it's only brought on because there is a buzz after the provincial round Robins in the hurling. That sideshow is over and the hurling fizzles out now as the All Ireland series isn't exciting. The football starts to slowly stretch its legs with the All Ireland series leading into knockout games that get the pulse racing as the big boys come face to face in cracking matches. It's the same every year, no need for all the drama over the state of the game



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,110 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2024/0529/1452029-sheehan-too-many-athletes-not-enough-footballers/

    Good idea, long range points are the only positive I see in Gaelic football at the moment.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭randd1


    Sorry, got completely confused with previous years. You are of course correct, thanks for the correction.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭randd1


    Except the very real problem that the round robin phase in the football championship is a borefest with no danger.

    There's no need for that to be the case. Remove the 3rd team getting out of the group, and suddenly things become much more serious and tension and interest ramps up.

    The reason why the hurling has captured the imagination is exactly why the football hasn't; any loss (even in Leinster) and there's real danger you don't get out of the group, even with three going through. Tipperary were the only side with nothing to play for in the final round, and even at that a win for them could have been significant to 4 other teams (that didn't pan out, but was still possible). For the most part, it's do or die in hurling, and one slip up you're in real bother.

    In football, technically speaking, you can lose two games, draw the third, and still go through. Hardly sets the pulses racing when you don't have to win to go through to the next phase.

    Football, and the football championship, deserves better than the wet-blanket Preliminary Quarter Final sapping the life our of three rounds of the championship proper. Scrap it and let the group stage have some real danger in it and force teams to get a result, and when teams are forced to get a result in football, generally we have good football. Win-win.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭randd1


    Magnificent idea. At least worth a try.

    On the arc things, it's an interesting idea. Have the tip of the arc half way at 35m and do a semi circle from the middle of the goal. So if the arc is in play, also bring in something like the drag down rule from hurling, a deliberate pull down in this area is a penalty instead of a black card, with a deliberate pull down in the penalty area is a penalty and a black card, to encourage teams to go for goal more.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,908 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It has only been going for one year. Last year none of the 16 teams got full points out of their 3 games. Mayo lost to Cork in their last game. Galway lost to Armagh in their last game. They played each other in the Prelimininary and Mayo won. But that put them up against Dublin in the QF which they lost. If they had beaten Cork, they would have been straight into a QF.

    The last 4 in the AI were Dublin, Monaghan, Kerry and Derry. Two of which started the year in Division 2. Maybe Armagh and Donegal could emulate that this year? I expect Kerry and Dublin to get full points this year from their 3 games, but beyond that there is much jeopardy for teams that come second or third in their groups. It seems to be a full time hobby for people to dream up new championship formats, and to tell the players how they are supposed to play the game. But the format got 95% backing from Congress, and needs to be given a chance to see how it develops. Including the Tailteann Cup. And the players have no interest in nonsense like making them kick the ball if they got possession for a handpass, or banning the goalkeeper from taking part in general play.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    most players these days are supremely fit but have very little if any traditional Gaelic football skills - many of them seem to be only to handpass and never kick the football



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,908 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    They are more skilled these days at taking scores. And there are fewer wides. Because keeping possession including by handpassing, leads to more scoring opportunities. Goalkeepers these days take a much bigger part in the games. In the past their kickouts were into midfield where four players contested the catch.

    High fielding is probably less of a feature now, but it is not needed as much. The keeper will find a player who is unmarked instead of risking the old way. Cluxton got a lot of praise over the years for his expertise in this play. And of course if the keeper is the most skilled on the team at long frees and 45's, like Beggan, it is natural for them to take that role.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,302 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    All of which contributes to a large proportion of football games that I watch are pedestrian borefests.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,329 ✭✭✭megadodge


    Well then don't watch them.

    But of course, if you did that, you couldn't come on here boring everyone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭tastyt


    Definitely lessening the teams to 12/13 aside will automatically create more space for creative players

    If you pass the ball back to the keeper he shouldn’t be allowed catch it and has to play with his feet , would encourage teams to put pressure on from the front

    Give 4/5 points for a goal and hope it encourages more attacking risks

    But doing something please !!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    Ah stop most players now are far more skillful than in the past.

    Not much skill to a halfback booting it as far up the field as possible in the hope someone on his own team wins the contested ball. That same halfback wouldn't even think going up the filed and going for a score.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Many club football teams locally train and wouldnt have any footballs at training, all running and sprinting and a session in the gym before or after .

    Its Athletics these days Gaelic football , Athletics Ireand will be trying to lure gaelic footballers into running for Ireland in the near future , some inter county footballers would give any athlete at 1500M or even 5000M a good go.

    The GAA is after all the Gaelic ATHLETICS association so footballers have become Athletes these days not footballers with the exception of 4/5 county teams Dublin/Kerry/Donegal/Galway/Derry who can also play football along with been 110% fit



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,431 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    A shot clock and/or not going back over the 65/45/20 would fix a multitude.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,509 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Not sure that would work personally in Football. Encourages absolutely packing the defensive area anyway, making it nigh-on-impossible to score. Works for Basketball to an extent due to it only being 5-on-5 and having multiple referees, some of which are also timing the players inside the 'paint' which they are penalised for too



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,302 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    I would suggest less of the personal abuse please might be a good idea.

    There seems to be a kind of attitude amongst a certain coterie around this thread that anyone

    who voices an opinion negatively on Gaelic Football is boring people and that the answer is “Don’t watch them then”.

    For me that is a foolish statement and totally untrue, why would the Árd Stùrithoir then commission a very high powered committee to examine the rules of Gaelic Football with a view to making it more attractive to watch?

    Every sport that I am aware of regularly examines itself at intervals to review the product.

    The GAA I’m glad to say are no different.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,431 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    If they are stupid enough to pack the defense they just leave themselves no outball meaning they'll constantly violate their shot clock just giving away score after score after score from the repeated turnovers. They'll have to leave men up to at least recieve the clearances and relieve pressure otherwise they might aswell lie down and have a nap.

    Its not so much the 5 on 5 that makes it work as its the strict time rules. They only have 10 (8 in NBA) seconds to GTFO of their half and then only 30 (24 in NBA) seconds from the start of the possession to get the shot away. Teams have no choice but to attack when they have the ball.

    The NBA brought these in because pre-clocks you had teams desperately just playing keep-ball and passing anywhere and everywhere just to keep stalling the gameclock and hope they could keep it away from the other team, with no interest in actually scoring. It was causing attendances to crater for the sport.

    The same exact problem thats been happening in football. Teams need to be forced to attack now.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40 King Power Fox


    Good bit of history there on the NBA and basketball. There is a precedent and the end product ultimately was better.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,431 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Exactly the solution isn't some big mystery. Its been proven to work and improve the game.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,509 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Ya but the size of the court/5-a-side/Multiple referees allows for that

    Just a shot clock etc wouldn’t work in Gaelic Football



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,996 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    Very few inter county players would make the top 50 in the national cross country.

    To run a 3mins 40 sec 1500 metres requires running 15x 100m in just over 14 and a half seconds. That requires a very specific training over a long period of time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,329 ✭✭✭megadodge


    There was no personal abuse.

    You're posts are ridiculously repetitive and boring.

    I stated something that is logical about watching something you don't like and you didn't appreciate that, responding about people not liking opposing views - completely oblivious to the fact that that was exactly what you were doing.

    I find soccer very boring. Therefore I don't watch it!!

    And I definitely don't go on discussion boards telling people who do like it how awful their game is.

    Repeatedly.

    Without making any suggestions how I'd improve it.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,110 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    Maybe he watches it hoping it will change back to the way it was before? it wasn't so long ago it was an exciting game.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,431 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Genuinely curious why not. Obviously the timings would need to be different but other than that its a clock, its not exactly complicated.



  • Registered Users Posts: 19,302 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    The real issue of course is to stick your head in the sand and say ‘ Everything is great’ metaphorically speaking.

    To accept what could be a good product being dragged down into a swamp of boredom.

    Luckily Jarlath doesn’t see it that way and has the foresight to accept that changes need to be made, and made in

    time before it’s too late .

    Luckily he doesn’t ignore the issues and look the other way.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,302 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    No Pee not hankering to “where it was before” just stating that the current shunting of teams back and forward

    via handpasses forwards and backwards is not a good watch.

    Accepting that changes are needed to bring back the excitement in a game as you said.



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