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Personality disorder

  • 11-02-2023 4:06pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭


    Have you ever met someone with them? Specifically anti-social personality disorder (psychopathy/sociopathy), narcissistic, or histrionic. My cousins wife probably would have the latter two. good looking woman but completely out of touch with reality and fabricates the most ridiculous lies during any conversation. I would consider her to be the female version of Trump but only smarter.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula


    I would consider anyone who keeps harping on about Donald Trump, several years after he no longer became something to whine about, to have some sort of post cognitive latent angst malign, that would appear to indicate they can't find a new hate figure with which to ramble on about?

    Latent antihero prognostic fallibility disorder.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Yes , I had a boss like that once ( foolishly I didn’t resign quickly)



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Yes. And now?

    You do know that nobody choses to have a “disorder”, right?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,354 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Yes through my employment, two diagnosed , one of whom was lucky not to get a prison sentence for her behaviour for her behaviour. An incredibly dangerous individual.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 59,697 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    I've met myself, does that count? If not i did go to a group therapy effort for people under the same diagnosis.



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    I have met a handful of people who have been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. For me it needs to be looked at differently. The disorder part removed and instead consider it as a constellation of emotional challenges regarding identity and relationships due to complex trauma.

    I have never met a sociopath or psychopath or a person who has narcissistic personality disorder. They do exist but I think they are very very overused terms ascribed to people.

    If you know who you are and are ok with that then life can be a smoother ride. Can be.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 59,697 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    I like to say that i have disordered thinking to try and take the stigma bit out of of the "x disorder" diagnosis. I speak quite openly on it for the most part..

    However the more difficult parts, and the nature of the illness, make it very hard for some people to comprehend/empathise with, without having suffered similar somewhere along the line..



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,268 ✭✭✭AllForIt


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,268 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Sorry for deleting my post you responded to, but unfortunately there seems to be a hyper sensitive attitude going on around here of late and I'm not sure if I'd survive if I left the post up.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 59,697 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    No worries



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I’d say you have met them but few would be stupid enough to identify themselves as such. While BPD seems to be more or less accepted now and there are ample support networks, it’s not the same with the 2 other conditions you mentioned.

    The conditions are used as slurs and insults by people who have no idea what they are talking about, but who feel morally superior. People don’t understand that it’s not your condition/ diagnosis that makes you do things. Actions are still also based on conscious choices and not “just” caused our disordered thinking.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭kaymin


    So in other words NPD is just a label assigned to someone that chooses to exhibit poor standards of behaviour. Given such behaviour reflects deliberate choice they make, I can understand why NPD may not be widely accepted as a 'condition'. I have my doubt that that is true though given how much literature there is on NPD. Also suffering NPD isn't just about their actions but also concerns their fragile self esteem and inability to cope with criticism - I'm sure they don't choose to feel this way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭scrips


    I have had close dealings with a psychopath/narcissist and a sociopath but only with hindsight did I realise they had these personality disorders (which I accept some may prefer to call extreme personality traits). What characterised both was their lack of empathy and their abilty to use others to their own gain (in a cold calculating manner in the case of the psychopath/narcissist, and with a ruthless abuse of power in the case of the sociopath), with devastating consequences for the unfortunate others who were their victims. It would seem that treatment for these disorders is difficult, and often in any case the person with the disorder does not see a reason to seek treatment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    No. Not every person with a pd acts in the way that you would expect. Some live perfectly normal lives and don’t hurt others, at least not deliberately. But then who doesn’t ever hurt anyone?

    A book or fancy 5 minute YouTube video will not suffice to throw a diagnosis around. It can teach you to spot the warning signs or triggers of a manipulative or unstable person.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭kaymin


    But if someone with NPD does not ever display any of the characteristic of NPD then you can reasonably conclude they don't suffer from it. It's not about hurting people either. There's the need for attention, validation from others, low mood when they don't get it, putting their own interests first, full of their own self importance and superiority etc etc. And who said anything about diagnosing it easily?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    If it’s not diagnosed it should not be used as a label. Some people are just selfish and assholes but it doesn’t mean that they are disordered. Yet you find people dishing out these terms as they please.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,329 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Yep , for some people it’s just their personalities.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭seenitall


    Yes, “raised” by a malignant narcissist, if you can call daily terrorising abuse and hostile treatment throughout childhood = being raised. Took me years and years of therapy to get a grip on my past and realise the root cause of me carrying life-long damage and resentment; and to not feel guilty about that. Narcissism is toxic, it destroys people’s self-worth and alienates them from any joy, it is perfidious, brutal, and is absolutely a gift that never stops giving. Whoever has grown up with a narcissist parent is a survivor.



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    I likely have but didn't have enough interactions to cop. There was someone who I dated many years ago who I wondered about afterwards. There was something off and he said some strange things but then again the world is full of strange.

    NPD has a number of sub categories where the manifestation is different but the wound is the same. I have nothing but compassion for people who have found themselves in any kind of relationship with them. I also have an amount of compassion for the narcissist themselves.

    The broken child within needs to heal. I'm just not sure if it's possible for them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    I don’t follow him but every time I open Twitter I see Graham Linehan posting, must be some quirk in the algorithm.

    It’s really interesting because he has completely thrown away his livelihood, reputation, and family following this absolutely insane crusade against trans-people.

    He’s not the only one I’ve encountered, there is a small minority of people who have had some dormant disorder where they spend hours and years of their lives railing against the trans community online. It’s literally a mental illness.

    Anyway he’s one, because I met him briefly once.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    My father was in all likelihood a narcissist, most self centred person I’ve ever known, he saw his wife and children as primarily alive to serve his interests, he’d also criticise others for his own mistakes, he preferred outsiders to his own family, narcissists grow bored of those around them as they need fresh supply , he had zero loyalty to his own as well, one time in my life I really needed him to have my back and he didn’t want to know

    he’s dead nearly twenty two years but having read up on NPD , I believe he was definitely a near classic case

    funny thing is my mother is the quintessential empath, incredibly susceptible to guilt and will help people no matter how undeserving



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,702 ✭✭✭seenitall


    ^ yes, sounds it alright. @Mad_maxx

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Being a WOKE heretic doesn’t in anyway qualify as having a personality disorder



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I don’t think it’s possible to heal it. You can learn ways to manage it somewhat though to avoid it messing up your life ( it’s in ones interest I guess).

    There are few “communities” where you find reflective people who are interested in discussing their frustrations and coping skills.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,356 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    People are fascinated by this for some reason, I find people who know or suspect they have something like severe social anxiety disorder for example much more interesting, going to extraordinary lengths to cover it up, avoiding eye contact at all costs but having to come up with elaborate ruses to do that, or elaborate stories why they have to have work breaks by themselves and so on basically having to come up with more and more elaborate stories to cover it up, trying to control their families and so on, what I find interesting is they know something is wrong but would rather try and cover it up instead of getting treatment.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,503 ✭✭✭Raichu




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    Having an anxiety disorder is a painful experience and causes no end of suffering for the person who has it. It also doesn't mean that the person is 'trying to control their families'.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,356 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Not always but it can escalate to that, anyway it's more about hoping to 'fix' it by controlling their environment instead of having treatment or even denying they have issues in the first palce.



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    This is genuine, even if a particular post reminded me - but internet trolls: people who devote years and years of their lives to antagonising via fake personas and fake views, and rejoicing in frustrating people (at best)... has to be something up with them mentally, surely?

    Shur lots of us might post a piss-takey comment here and there, but sustained, lengthy campaigns... can't be healthy.



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