Personality disorder

slither12

Have you ever met someone with them? Specifically anti-social personality disorder (psychopathy/sociopathy), narcissistic, or histrionic. My cousins wife probably would have the latter two. good looking woman but completely out of touch with reality and fabricates the most ridiculous lies during any conversation. I would consider her to be the female version of Trump but only smarter.

Count Dracula

I would consider anyone who keeps harping on about Donald Trump, several years after he no longer became something to whine about, to have some sort of post cognitive latent angst malign, that would appear to indicate they can't find a new hate figure with which to ramble on about?

Latent antihero prognostic fallibility disorder.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058283876/personality-disorder

Yes , I had a boss like that once ( foolishly I didn’t resign quickly)

Jequ0n

Yes. And now?

You do know that nobody choses to have a “disorder”, right?

corner of hells

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058283876/personality-disorder

Yes through my employment, two diagnosed , one of whom was lucky not to get a prison sentence for her behaviour for her behaviour. An incredibly dangerous individual.

Gremlinertia

I've met myself, does that count? If not i did go to a group therapy effort for people under the same diagnosis.

I have met a handful of people who have been diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. For me it needs to be looked at differently. The disorder part removed and instead consider it as a constellation of emotional challenges regarding identity and relationships due to complex trauma.

I have never met a sociopath or psychopath or a person who has narcissistic personality disorder. They do exist but I think they are very very overused terms ascribed to people.

If you know who you are and are ok with that then life can be a smoother ride. Can be.

Gremlinertia

I like to say that i have disordered thinking to try and take the stigma bit out of of the "x disorder" diagnosis. I speak quite openly on it for the most part..

However the more difficult parts, and the nature of the illness, make it very hard for some people to comprehend/empathise with, without having suffered similar somewhere along the line..

AllForIt

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AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120230953#Comment_120230953

Sorry for deleting my post you responded to, but unfortunately there seems to be a hyper sensitive attitude going on around here of late and I'm not sure if I'd survive if I left the post up.

Gremlinertia

No worries

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120230889#Comment_120230889

I’d say you have met them but few would be stupid enough to identify themselves as such. While BPD seems to be more or less accepted now and there are ample support networks, it’s not the same with the 2 other conditions you mentioned.

The conditions are used as slurs and insults by people who have no idea what they are talking about, but who feel morally superior. People don’t understand that it’s not your condition/ diagnosis that makes you do things. Actions are still also based on conscious choices and not “just” caused our disordered thinking.

kaymin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120231152#Comment_120231152

So in other words NPD is just a label assigned to someone that chooses to exhibit poor standards of behaviour. Given such behaviour reflects deliberate choice they make, I can understand why NPD may not be widely accepted as a 'condition'. I have my doubt that that is true though given how much literature there is on NPD. Also suffering NPD isn't just about their actions but also concerns their fragile self esteem and inability to cope with criticism - I'm sure they don't choose to feel this way.

scrips

I have had close dealings with a psychopath/narcissist and a sociopath but only with hindsight did I realise they had these personality disorders (which I accept some may prefer to call extreme personality traits). What characterised both was their lack of empathy and their abilty to use others to their own gain (in a cold calculating manner in the case of the psychopath/narcissist, and with a ruthless abuse of power in the case of the sociopath), with devastating consequences for the unfortunate others who were their victims. It would seem that treatment for these disorders is difficult, and often in any case the person with the disorder does not see a reason to seek treatment.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120231236#Comment_120231236

No. Not every person with a pd acts in the way that you would expect. Some live perfectly normal lives and don’t hurt others, at least not deliberately. But then who doesn’t ever hurt anyone?

A book or fancy 5 minute YouTube video will not suffice to throw a diagnosis around. It can teach you to spot the warning signs or triggers of a manipulative or unstable person.

kaymin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120231807#Comment_120231807

But if someone with NPD does not ever display any of the characteristic of NPD then you can reasonably conclude they don't suffer from it. It's not about hurting people either. There's the need for attention, validation from others, low mood when they don't get it, putting their own interests first, full of their own self importance and superiority etc etc. And who said anything about diagnosing it easily?

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120232081#Comment_120232081

If it’s not diagnosed it should not be used as a label. Some people are just selfish and assholes but it doesn’t mean that they are disordered. Yet you find people dishing out these terms as they please.

cj maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120232257#Comment_120232257

Yep , for some people it’s just their personalities.

seenitall

Yes, “raised” by a malignant narcissist, if you can call daily terrorising abuse and hostile treatment throughout childhood = being raised. Took me years and years of therapy to get a grip on my past and realise the root cause of me carrying life-long damage and resentment; and to not feel guilty about that. Narcissism is toxic, it destroys people’s self-worth and alienates them from any joy, it is perfidious, brutal, and is absolutely a gift that never stops giving. Whoever has grown up with a narcissist parent is a survivor.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120231152#Comment_120231152

I likely have but didn't have enough interactions to cop. There was someone who I dated many years ago who I wondered about afterwards. There was something off and he said some strange things but then again the world is full of strange.

NPD has a number of sub categories where the manifestation is different but the wound is the same. I have nothing but compassion for people who have found themselves in any kind of relationship with them. I also have an amount of compassion for the narcissist themselves.

The broken child within needs to heal. I'm just not sure if it's possible for them.

CGI_Livia_Soprano

I don’t follow him but every time I open Twitter I see Graham Linehan posting, must be some quirk in the algorithm.

It’s really interesting because he has completely thrown away his livelihood, reputation, and family following this absolutely insane crusade against trans-people.

He’s not the only one I’ve encountered, there is a small minority of people who have had some dormant disorder where they spend hours and years of their lives railing against the trans community online. It’s literally a mental illness.

Anyway he’s one, because I met him briefly once.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120237294#Comment_120237294

My father was in all likelihood a narcissist, most self centred person I’ve ever known, he saw his wife and children as primarily alive to serve his interests, he’d also criticise others for his own mistakes, he preferred outsiders to his own family, narcissists grow bored of those around them as they need fresh supply , he had zero loyalty to his own as well, one time in my life I really needed him to have my back and he didn’t want to know

he’s dead nearly twenty two years but having read up on NPD , I believe he was definitely a near classic case

funny thing is my mother is the quintessential empath, incredibly susceptible to guilt and will help people no matter how undeserving

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120228907#Comment_120228907

Feck off.

seenitall

^ yes, sounds it alright. @Mad_maxx

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120237461#Comment_120237461

Being a WOKE heretic doesn’t in anyway qualify as having a personality disorder

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120237415#Comment_120237415

I don’t think it’s possible to heal it. You can learn ways to manage it somewhat though to avoid it messing up your life ( it’s in ones interest I guess).

There are few “communities” where you find reflective people who are interested in discussing their frustrations and coping skills.

People are fascinated by this for some reason, I find people who know or suspect they have something like severe social anxiety disorder for example much more interesting, going to extraordinary lengths to cover it up, avoiding eye contact at all costs but having to come up with elaborate ruses to do that, or elaborate stories why they have to have work breaks by themselves and so on basically having to come up with more and more elaborate stories to cover it up, trying to control their families and so on, what I find interesting is they know something is wrong but would rather try and cover it up instead of getting treatment.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120237461#Comment_120237461

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120237950#Comment_120237950

Having an anxiety disorder is a painful experience and causes no end of suffering for the person who has it. It also doesn't mean that the person is 'trying to control their families'.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120237990#Comment_120237990

Not always but it can escalate to that, anyway it's more about hoping to 'fix' it by controlling their environment instead of having treatment or even denying they have issues in the first palce.

This is genuine, even if a particular post reminded me - but internet trolls: people who devote years and years of their lives to antagonising via fake personas and fake views, and rejoicing in frustrating people (at best)... has to be something up with them mentally, surely?

Shur lots of us might post a piss-takey comment here and there, but sustained, lengthy campaigns... can't be healthy.

My friend has been diagnosed with BPD and she's one of the most level-headed, well adjusted people you could meet. And she's well able to take the piss out of herself - not in a self flagellating way, she's just very self aware. She seems very confident actually.

But she has crippling depression and an eating disorder.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238029#Comment_120238029

In the aftermath of the Phillip Kearns case, the family got more than one phone call along the lines of go to Tallaght garda station they have news of Phillip's disappearance can you imagine the sheer evil of tormenting the family like that, that sort of behavior existed before internet trolls.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238027#Comment_120238027

Yes there could be quite a bit of control exerted in order to provide comfort and certainty. 🤔 I'm thinking now because I realise how quick I was to assume certain illnesses are more benign than others without considering all the shades of grey.

There is absolutely nothing to say that a person who has an anxiety disorder would not also want to control others.

Leg End Reject

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238093#Comment_120238093

All murder/serious crime cases attract hoax callers and I'm sure a lot of time and money is wasted following these up.

It's absolutely baffling to me, I've no idea what people get out of doing this.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238096#Comment_120238096

If they feel shame or embarrassed at how their family behaves even if it's all in their head they can believe controlling how their family behaves will relieve their anxiety.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238137#Comment_120238137

It's lacking in empathy, which could be a personality disorder trait... or just someone getting a thrill out of being sh1tty.

Yeah trolls certainly behave like that but I don't even mean ones as extreme as those.

Gremlinertia

Anxiety and controlling your immediate environment can go hand in hand but each person varies wildly, i mean this thread is called 'personality disorder' it could be called 'plants' or 'drinks' for the variations are that many and diverse

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120228987#Comment_120228987

We've all had bosses like that.

Anti-social narcissists make good bosses. Results wise anyway.

Water John

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238200#Comment_120238200

I think in America the list is ten, BPD types.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238238#Comment_120238238

Not like this one

scrips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120237629#Comment_120237629

On your last point there - not really - with those 'people pleaser' traits she would have been the ideal enabler of his narcissistic behaviour and he might have been drawn to her partially for that reason.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238149#Comment_120238149

Hmmm. I think there are those out there who have a lot of shame and embarrassment due to how they perceive their families to be. It tends to be irrational, as in the family are regular people but they don't measure up to the expectations of the other.

There is something in that though which feels different to a person with an anxiety disorder. I say that while still maintaining there are shades of grey.

There are different types of anxiety disorders. You have OCD, agoraphobia, generalised anxiety disorder, panic disorder, social anxiety erm 🤔 a number of specific phobias. I'm not 100% on the phobias, I have one but that's my only experience.

Gremlinertia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238245#Comment_120238245

That would be the major traits, many more traits can exist alongside the most obvious

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238253#Comment_120238253

You are correct in many ways, she has still never been able to admit he neglected her and his children

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120238253#Comment_120238253

“Voluntary victims” = the ones who prefer to play along in their make belief game instead of facing reality. Of course it’s easier to blame the evil narcissist or whatever instead of accepting their own culpability once the game is over.

Of all the mental health / personality disorders only one is socially abhorrent and part of a badly orientated moral compass and that is Narcissistic Personality Disorder. The others are more like genuine illnesses. In my mind could be described as horrible person disorder.

Are psychopathy and sociopathy personality disorders? They're pretty bad too. 😊

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240317#Comment_120240317

Sort of. Science sees psychopathy as a disorder but there is no diagnostic criteria for it in the DSM nor is there for sociopathy. So a person won't be diagnosed as being either. You will instead find anti social personality disorder.

They are considered to be separate but with some shared features. A sociopath does have a conscience while a psychopath doesn't. I have an interest in serious mental illness so am fascinated by those two in particular and how many of the traits 'normal' people exhibit.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120240594#Comment_120240594

I don’t think it’s an illness, but a different way of seeing the world.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120228907#Comment_120228907

Two years and a month is not several years.

Meghan Markle definitely fills a hate figure hole. The vitriol against her is incredible. Whatever about disliking, which is a different matter, this rage and hatred is on another level. It's bizarre. And it's for no good reason, just an enjoyment on the part of the rather deranged mob.

JK Rowling - well there is a reason for disliking her (she was perfectly reasonable in how she said it but it's a bitter pill to swallow) however it doesn't even slightly justify the viciousness - the lies, sexually violent language, the comparison of her with nazis... absolutely egregious, unhinged stuff.

Trump is a lot worse than the two of them - totally seems like some sort of psychosis when it comes to MM and JKR though.