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Jacinda Ardern to step down as New Zealand PM



  • Registered Users Posts: 36,082 ✭✭✭✭ Boggles

  • Registered Users Posts: 36,082 ✭✭✭✭ Boggles

    Really? What age are you?

    Politics has always been essentially a popularity contest and still is.

    Yes, I found it extremely funny that she drove incels and conspiracy loons nuts, Did you not?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 36,082 ✭✭✭✭ Boggles

    I don't think I am in the minority view of laughing at said nutters.

  • Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭ TagoMago

    On the controlling ideas part, would you feel the same about, say, a government trying to prevent an Islamic terrorist group from trying to recruit people online? They're just expressing their right to free speech too, right?

    Regarding Adhern, the internet culture war (which probably peaked around 2017) definitely created the perfect storm for her tenure, and massively increased the amount of international exposure she received. Depending on who you talked to she was either the greatest head of state in the world or an authoritarian dictator who stripped the liberties of her people entirely. In reality she seemed a fairly competent leader who handled certain crises well (the terrorist attack on the mosque, earthquake), and others badly (the Covid restrictions).

  • Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭ foxsake

    i believe in free speech . you bring up a tricky point of Islamic terrorist group but is it incitement to harm others or just general raging.

    I don't like the crime of "association" cos it sounds like thought-crime to me . Actions are different , commanding others to do physical harm is different.

    She went much further than terrorism in her dislike for speech she didn't like. she was another clown that declared everything that was critical of her view on how society (esp western society) ran was "far right".

  • Registered Users Posts: 483 ✭✭ RetroEncabulator

    I assume she’s just deciding to move on and give whoever replaces her an opportunity to build profile before the next general elections in NZ.

    She’s hardly going to want to do that job forever and she’s relatively young, so she’s not going to be PM and then just retire take up golf, as might be the case if you were leaving that role in your late 60s.

    Seems like a sensible and non controversial way of moving on to whatever it is she takes to next.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 36,082 ✭✭✭✭ Boggles

    That allowed them to get on with it, but even a single case triggered a national lockdown, and it happened a few times.

    That's not true, when there was confirmed community transmission various levels of restrictions were introduced in various geographic areas.

    Virtually all their cases identified during that period of isolation after the initial spread was at the border.

    By every single metric New Zealand relative to the rest of the Western World was the pinnacle of pandemic control.

    Made possible by their isolation and also the trust in their governance.

    Didn't hear many New Zealanders complaining when hospitals were functioning as normal or they were in 50,000 seater stadiums.

  • Registered Users Posts: 519 ✭✭✭ foxsake

    myopic lame response. covid (and her attitude) were so much more than a packed stadium,

  • Registered Users Posts: 36,082 ✭✭✭✭ Boggles

  • Registered Users Posts: 13,117 ✭✭✭✭ AMKC

    I liked her. She seemed like a good person had an open mind and always tried to do the right thing.

    No idea how she is seen in NZ or what her policies or anything else were like there nor do I really care as I do not live there, have never been and never will be. Australia is the furthest I ever went. That was far enough. I used to think Australia and NZ were just like us with the UK just a short boat trip away but then I found out it was a good 5 hour flight just from Oz to NZ I thought feck that, that's crazy.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 201 ✭✭ ElitesTeam

    lol locking down a country for years over a common cold.

  • Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭ Jack Daw

    You've obviously been living in NZ in the last few years then to be able to experience first hand how great a leader she was. What was it like there under her leadership?

  • Registered Users Posts: 42 BuckoA51

    Their debt is low, unemployment low, GDP not bad either, plus her government focused on good initiatives like the "well-being budget" which moved away from just judging the country by traditional metrics. Yeah I think she was good, obviously never going to agree with 100% of what a leader does.

  • Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭ hawley

    Likely to be a few articles on Irish Mirror, and RSVP of "Ryan Tubridy pays tribute to Jacinda Ardern" by the evening.

  • Registered Users Posts: 16,597 ✭✭✭✭ bucketybuck

    Don't say that, its like a dinner bell to the usual covid warriors, you can practically hear them on the way right now!

    As for Arden, she seemed alright to me. Somebody trying to be an honest politician as opposed to the Trumps and Boris's of the world, is that really so bad? I'm sure her personal beliefs influenced various decisions but that is simple human nature.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭ farmingquestion

    This is the kind of rubbish I hope to see the end of now she's gone.

    The WTO Director General says:

    "Women know when to step down....their egos are lower"

    She said women can pick and choose when to stand down because "work does not define them".

    While it gives a negative perception of men, wouldn't this also prove why there's a supposed "gender pay gap"?