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Right to Housing Referendum

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,239 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    The commies and the shinners are pushing for this so I know what way I'll be voting.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You're right I'm wrong. I remembered it as Enda Kenny said it was either get rid of reform but I googled it and he said the opposite, I've been remembering it wrong for years https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/kenny-seanad-cant-be-reformed-29629317.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,534 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    FFG breaking all their own records.

    Homeless figures hit record high in November (rte.ie)

    New figures show the number of people experiencing homelessness has hit another record high.

    There were 11,542 people accommodated by homeless services in November.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,189 ✭✭✭standardg60


    How is anyone homeless if they're provided with accommodation?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,929 ✭✭✭Deise Vu


    Devil in the detail? Wait until you see the wording? Have you people never seen the constitution? It will be three lines saying every citizen is entitled to accommodation. Full stop. Then it will be up to the govt to introduce legislation to respect the wishes of the people. Pretty much exactly as we are at now but with the added delight of every people before profit chancer going to the Supreme Court at the taxpayers expense when they decide their free house is too far from their mothers and they want compo quick.

    A load of absolute unworkable bollixx.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,879 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    what happens if the majority say no if this happens?

    as above, unworkable.

    there are plenty of houses available. this country aint that big...you're never too far from home.

    i reckon take a house where its offered or back down to the end of the q



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,296 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I do wonder whether this new housing referendum will do with all of the various housing agencies and charities that are present in the state.

    From my understanding of it; they maybe need to be present on a statutory footing in new housing legislation to comply with the terms of the referendum. It if this was passed it would allow them to co-operate with the government on a permanent basis to build new housing for those who are in need of it.

    I'm also trying to think how this new housing referendum will implicate the Land Development Agency in the future. If it was passed by the people; Would it be given more new powers to build high quality homes for our population at a much quicker pace than usual while still dealing with the planning system?



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    As I said above the government is playing the opposition game

    We have heard for years now opposition parties shouting about "right to housing" with no actual information or confirmation of what that means. Of course to a lot of people they think it means they will automatically get a brand new 3-4 bed house, with a nice lawn in the exact area they want and all the other little requirements they have as this is what the opposition have painted it to mean.

    This is just a case of the government running this to show its just a pile of rubbish and noise coming from the opposition, so run it see what happens and if it fails the next time a TD fires this out the conversation is shut down.

    The Seanad vote is something the people should not forget, because the FG government at the time backed getting rid of it, the population decided to go against the government and voted to keep it. Shooting ourselves in the foot as the tax payer is still keeping it afloat and it should have been shut down

    This is just political games and hopefully the tax payer doesn't get landed with another Seanad mess



  • Registered Users Posts: 296 ✭✭Ham_Sandwich


    about time housing should be a right more houses need to be built and the goverment should be renting out houses and flats not land lords



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Hopefully if passed it will deal with under occupancy in social/HAP housing. There is a family near us that have 4 social houses between them and probably 8 spare rooms. Social and HAP properties should be filled to capacity if we have an accommodation crisis.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    So you are going to move random people in with random people and think they will accept it?

    You are aware a lot of people will sit on the housing list for years till they get their "forever home" which has to be in the exact area they want and the exact size, with a nice garden of course.

    I would love to see the reaction if the government went out and started to move two families into a single house to fill up the rooms.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,786 ✭✭✭DownByTheGarden


    Since the councils own the council houses, the easiest way for them would be to move the people under occupying the houses to smaller houses or apartments. Then move bigger families into the bigger houses.

    Gone will be the days of one person living in a 2, 3 or 4 bed house after all the kids have got houses of their own.

    Seems much easier moving council tenants since they are council owned than moving property owners so I guess it would start with the council houses if they are ever going to try something like this.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't see why not? Why is so much underutilized space that the state is paying for going to waste?

    The attitude of so many wanting the state to provide a home for them in the location of their choice is compounding the accommodation crisis.



  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭redlough


    First off I agree the attitude of people wanting location etc are compounding the housing crisis but that's not the story we are told. Remember the lady and the Garda station, well she got a lovely house soon after that media circus and turned it down till she got her "forever home" in the location she wanted.

    If you turn around tomorrow and told a single mother of 1 she would be put into a house with another single mother of 1 you would have war. Expect all the usual parties up in arms in the Dail. Letter been read out, crying on RTE etc etc etc.

    A few parties have pushed this "right to housing" as a way for people to sit at home not working and it will be up to the government to give them a house for free. People don't understand what it means and TD's are buying votes by pushing this rubbish. "Ahh sure look isn't he a great man trying to get a right for housing vote"

    Just look at this thread already and a number of posters seem to think this will automatically mean the government will have to build houses?? It doesn't

    Problem is like I already mentioned how can anyone build houses when they are constantly rejecting planning etc.

    If Ireland build the houses blocked by political parties for no other reason than getting votes, we wouldn't have a housing crisis. Every party and independent in Ireland is at it. That's the problem in Ireland, not wasting millions on this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Is no one seeing the slight of hand here. If you have a right to accommodation you will not have the option to object to DP centres and alike. I highly doubt the wording will be Irish Citizens. Carful what we wish for. 🤔



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They already put that into legislation years ago. There is no right to object to DP centres if they're built on public land. Does go through the planning process just a rubber stamp by the OPW



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Oh I know that alright. This copperfastens it as they don't have much land to build on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 33,797 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Life ain't always empty.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭cryptocurrency


    I am a property owner and a landlord and would welcome cost rental controls. I sit with other landlords in the development and am often amazed at just how greedy they are or how they don't really care about the impact they have on society. I'm all for the free market but I think the housing situation is at a tipping point and landlords are a major negative part of it.

    I'm looking to get out of it and just have a second home for my own use abroad.



  • Registered Users Posts: 383 ✭✭scottser


    Everyone has a right to shelter under current legislation; it's what underpins the obligation to provide emergency homeless accommodation. A Right to Housing is a very different proposition altogether.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭highpressisbest


    Surely we should make this a global referendum given that everyone who arrives in Ireland has a right to shelter? Could be the biggest democratic exercise in history. Seems unfair that some poor divil in Georgia, Somalia, or Algeria doesn’t get to have their say on an important change in their future home.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,181 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    We already do that. As per yesterday's papers seemingly we have to give them extra money to out compete other people now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,999 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    'global referendum'? I am living in Ireland over 50 years. I don't have a vote in referenda. Apart from my contributary pension and Childrens' Allowance when it was relevant I have never had any state benefits.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,119 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Have you never taken out citizenship? Under the constitution, only citizens can vote in referenda.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,999 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    I am in the process now, bit late but there were reasons for not doing it before.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,274 ✭✭✭✭zell12




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