Liberal US media now playing the free-speech card in light of Twitter bans

Markus Antonius

It has all officially come full circle. The desperate attempts of liberal media in the US to stifle free-speech in the Trump era has now flipped to "My free speech is being infringed!!" in the Biden/not-Trump era.

The USA's answer to Marty Morrissey, Donie O'Sullivan explains why he should have a platform, despite him and his employer being completely silent/celebrating the silencing of conservative commentators:

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2022/12/16/cnns-donie-osullivan-elon-musk-banning-me-from-twitter-rich-and-ironic/

I have no interest in Twitter or the US media but you have to admire the ridiculousness of what is going on in the US and what will eventually reach our shores here if it hasn't already.

silliussoddius

Say hello to the new boss, same as the old boss.

What did he say in the video?

Ronan|Raven

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058276083/liberal-us-media-now-playing-the-free-speech-card-in-light-of-twitter-bans

If only it would stay over there!

buried

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004992#Comment_120004992

"Yer da Bull! Yer da Bull, yer da Bull, Yer da Bull!"

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120004992#Comment_120004992

The commentators in the video are calling out as "hypocrisy" that their accounts are being shut down in Twitter/Musk's efforts to restore free-speech.

The real hypocrisy being that they are disgruntled at the fact that they are experiencing a reciprocation of the very curbs on free-speech that they themselves created.

Kind of like the outrage a few weeks back by the residents of Martha's Vineyard when DeSantis chartered a flight of Mexican migrants to their front doorstep.

You just have to sit back and enjoy the ridiculousness of it all.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058276083/liberal-us-media-now-playing-the-free-speech-card-in-light-of-twitter-bans

“I have no interest in Twitter or the US media but you have to admire the ridiculousness of what is going on in the US….”

then why start this thread?

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005051#Comment_120005051

Do you genuinely not see the difference in people being banned from twitter for excitement of violence or hate speech and people being banned from Twitter for criticising Elon Musk? I can’t believe anyone is that blind

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005059#Comment_120005059

Because I'm interested in blatant hypocrisy of liberal media/commentators of which Ireland has many also.

I'm just waiting for our own Leo to condemn the acts of conservatives out of one side of his mouth, all the while introducing "hate speech" legislation out the other.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005074#Comment_120005074

I’m interested in your definition of “liberal”. There are very few, if any liberals in Ireland. By the classical definition of the world.

Plenty of socially progressive people, is that what you mean by liberal?

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005065#Comment_120005065

He doesn't, probably mental gymnastics now he's realizing that Elon isn't some kind of saviour but an overgrown edgelord whose acting like a twelve year old that just dicovered reddit.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005092#Comment_120005092

I despise Elon Musk and would be delighted if Twitter collapsed in on itself costing him billions.

But you just have to admire the desperation of the liberal media who will probably collapse with it.

hynesie08

For someone with no interest in America, you've a very MAGA idea of what free speech entails.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005112#Comment_120005112

Can you stop saying “liberal media” if you’re not going to define what you mean by it.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005112#Comment_120005112

No one is going to collapse with twitter, everyone will just find some other latrine on the internet.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005124#Comment_120005124

My apologies. I forgot that when you live in a country that has a publicly funded media that would give CNN a run for it's money, it does create a broad spectrum of liberalism.

If you feel that abortion, gay rights, climate change, gender quotas are the most pressing issues of our times then you are probably a victim of some form of liberal media.

Ronan|Raven

You started off well enough Markus yet here you are now bringing the same bullshit to our shores, be a good yank and go home.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005180#Comment_120005180

And yet again you refuse to define the term “liberal”. Weird stuff.

uncleoswald

It's hilarious that you've linked to an article that directly contradicts your claim that these journalists are shouting "My free speech is being infringed!!"

Donie O'Sullivan: “Twitter is a private company. They can do whatever they want. They kicked off Trump. They kicked off other people,” said the Irish journalist."

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005538#Comment_120005538

He lied. Shirley you jest!

Tonesjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005059#Comment_120005059

Would you prefer it to be shut down?

That Donie lad is an insufferable gowl Absolute poison. Delighted he is banned. He gained his fame from being a smarmy so and so.

Markus Antonius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005512#Comment_120005512

You keep using the word "define" and yet you refuse to define the word define. Weird stuff to not define

Ubbquittious

Fcuk twatter. Hope it dies a death soon. Maybe some time after that someone will snatch the domain and twitter.com will be just a picture of Elon mourning after his billions

Ten of Swords

Moved to CA

purifol0

Obligatory Im no fan of Trump/Musk etc etc.

but **** the EU with their "banning these journalists is unnacceptable" where the **** were they when Twitter actively deleted links to the Washington Post's explosive story on Hunter Biden specifically to swing a win for Twitter's preferred candidate???

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63996061

hynesie08

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006144#Comment_120006144

Saying you're no fan of trump and then parroting some delusional story about a laptop......

I'm sure the contents of it will be released soon, along with Trump's tax returns and his healthcare plan.

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006350#Comment_120006350

Brian moderates the building and construction forum. I don't recall much in the way of censorship and woke messaging over there. Unless insulation of homes is another liberal plot 🤣🤣

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005512#Comment_120005512

Enough with the pedantry , everyone ( including you ) knows what he means by the term “ liberal “

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006144#Comment_120006144

It was the New York Post (a tabloid) and was an attempt at an "October surprise" a la hillary, there's a big thread on it that you can add to and say what you think actually happened.

I don't think any person disagrees that Elon can do what the f*ck he wants with a private platform (well the EU may sanction for allowing loony misinformation to spread) just that Elon took over specifically to protect free speech and unsurprisingly to 0 people is doing the opposite and being called out about it.

As the OP's main contributions are covid denying, antivaxxx and flat earth theories, people should question the intentions there as well.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005693#Comment_120005693

Would I prefer what to be shut down?

Im glad you’re open that you want people silenced because you don’t like them. At least you’re honest about being pro censorship, unlike a lot of people who won’t commit.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006404#Comment_120006404

Straight in with the ad hominem..

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120005693#Comment_120005693

Is that supposed to be clever?

I’ll give you another chance.

What media outlets do you consider liberal? What behaviour or ideas make them “liberal”?

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006392#Comment_120006392

Actually I don’t. These days it’s a cat hall term for people to the left of conservatives.

It’s often used interchangeably with “leftist”. I want to the OP to define it. Because for all I know, he could be right about the existence of the “liberal media”.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006350#Comment_120006350

Brian? Has been a moderator of the Fitness forum since 2007. I don’t think that’s particularly relevant to this discussion.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006426#Comment_120006426

Some people need to play games, you play yours

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006431#Comment_120006431

This is one of the problems with boards.

I want to debate on a level playing field with agreed terms. Before doing that I want to agree something simple. Somehow that’s “playing games”. It isn’t.

The word “liberal” has been so misused over the last 2 decades it’s almost meaningless. I want to know what the OP means by it.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006438#Comment_120006438

Tbf he mightn't actually understand what "define" means.

Quite a few of the lads here are regulars in conspiracy theories where up is down and water is dry.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006438#Comment_120006438

Dogs in the street know what liberal means in 2022 , the “ classic liberal “ libertarian strand has long been eclipsed by the progressive left liberal movement who completely dominate

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006420#Comment_120006420

Started another Elon thread in a random forum to go over hurt feelings from trump's big loss, Markus knew what he was up to.

I notice you didn't argue any of the points made as well, as said, no one is surprised at Elon, just pointing out that he literally said the opposite all the way through the acquisiton and now he's taking advantage of CT loons by gaslighting them into a frenzy to drive clicks and it has literally worked as proven by this thread.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006471#Comment_120006471

So what does it mean?

CptMonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006471#Comment_120006471

What does it mean in 2022? This whole liberal media crap is just American nonsense used to treat people like crap. Conservatives in the states are right wing nuts

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006376#Comment_120006376

You laugh, but there are plenty on the right who think insulation is a left wing conspiracy.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006431#Comment_120006431

I find that when people refuse to simply define the term they are using, that it means they either don't know what it means, or they have no interest in an honest conversation

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006471#Comment_120006471

Why don't you define it then?

What makes one media outlet liberal, and another media outlet... eh, illiberal??

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006516#Comment_120006516

Ideology based censorship? Like not allowing people to post revenge porn?

Akrasia

Should Nazis be allowed to post openly on social media about their desire to wipe out all Jews?

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006516#Comment_120006516

I always deflect from daft nonsense with truth actually.

your little tirade about wokeness and my position as a moderator are completely irrelevant to this discussion. But you attempted to shoe horn it in as ad hominem attack on me. It was daft.

BruteStock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006523#Comment_120006523

What's preventing you from answering your own question? So, should Nazis be allowed to post openly on social media about their desire to wipe out all Jews?

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006471#Comment_120006471

You’re not really getting my point. I want to know what the OP means, because I want my argument to be specific and not general. Why is that game playing?

BruteStock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006514#Comment_120006514

Why don't YOU define it for him? If he's wrong then show him thats he's wrong.. Talking about honest conservations , but those who constantly ask probing interrogative questions are never in it for an honest debate.

magicbastarder

of course twitter banning nazis and bullies under dorsey is the exact same thing as twitter banning journalists for reporting the news, under musk.

nazis are the same as journalists in our new 'nothing has any meaning anymore' world.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120006532#Comment_120006532

Absolutely not.