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B&B hotels KTM gone , where now for Cav ?

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  • 12-12-2022 3:12pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 805 ✭✭✭


    just saw that B&B hotel KTM won't be a team in 2023...according to an article on INRNG

    Will Cav call is a day or is he still worth a contract? (not that I'm a fan anyway)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    The only reason that Cav would still be considered for a contract is the romantic notion - particularly amongst the UK cycling press - that he only has to turn up at the TdF next year and he'll finally bag the stage that takes him beyond Merckx. However the fact that he's still without a contract shows exactly what the market thinks of the prospect. Even the B&B set-up, had it worked out, would have been a real "Hail Mary" shot - a 38 year old Cav being led out by a 40 year old Max Richeze and somehow getting the better of the Jakobsens, Groenewegens, Ewans & Bennetts.

    What's even more telling is that it seems that he cannot even get the sort of pound-shop contract he had from Lefevre.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


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    1st MaillotReinoUnido.PNG Road race, National Championships

    1st Milano–Torino

    1st Stage 3 Giro d'Italia

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    2nd Memorial Rik Van Steenbergen

    3rd Heistse Pijl


    I think he done well enough in 2022 to deserve another contract....



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,609 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    The UK press seem determined to keep linking him with a one year deal with Skineos, but I can’t see it happening unless Brailsford and Ratcliffe get overwhelmed with nostalgia for some reason.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    I read somewhere that Euskaltel are looking at him, purely as a punt to get a wildcard to the Tour. Think that is probably a longshot though...but options are lessening.

    Nairoman and now MA Lopez also free agents still looking for new teams, when most rosters are full.

    Post edited by retalivity on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    Yet the market would seem to disagree that its enough - at least for the type of contract Cav would want, with a guaranteed spot on the TdF squad and a decent lead-out. I think he would have had a better chance of a contract as the type of rider he was at the National Championships this year.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,314 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Teams aren't all over him, despite ok results this year (and wasn't enough for him to go to the Tour).

    You can only beat what's in front of you etc etc, but still say he got lucky in 2021 with the sprinters that were there/ left standing.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,539 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    He was better this year than the year before which is great for him but while still a fine rider, teams are looking at either a paycheque that won't return, when they could get almost as good for far less. He could deliver points for a few teams, he certainly has never needed a great lead out if there are others there he can take advantage of. Unless he takes a massive pay cut on a risky contract where since he is paid so little they can renege on promises of places if he doesn't perform as the cost will be minimal.

    If Ineos take him, it will be for the owner, not for the teams benefit.

    Joke: My money is on him starting a podcast where he tells people what grinds his gears, a mix between Homer Simpson, Joe Rogan and Lance Armstrong.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,954 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    My memory of a lot of his wins the last 2 years are him picking up other teams train and beating them that way.

    Post edited by Weepsie on


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    If he ends up at Ineos, i'd imagine it is on some heavily incentivised pay-as-you-go contract, with some vague promise of going to the tour and getting a win. Ineos will probably be all-in for Bernal at the tour, so you'd imagine Cav would get one other guy, maybe Kwiatko as a leadout. TBH it makes sense from an Ineos/Jim Ratcliffe perspective, Brit team with the "greatest" ever brit sprinter going for the TDF record from the great Eddie Merckx, if he pulls it off they would be immortalized.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,664 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Human Powered Health look to be registering solid interest now. No TDF though but he’ll get to ride for the year.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,954 Mod ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    That's all down to how much Bernal has recovered. He's doing some absolute savage amounts of cycling back home in absolute downpours that most wouldn't



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,609 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    ASO could always pull a mad one and give them the wildcard and leave Israel out, it’d be worth it to see Sylvan Adam’s go into further meltdown since they got relegated



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    Caley Fretz is saying that B&B management are alleging the team collapse is Cav's fault:

    "According to the Placeholder podcast(link is external), hosted by former Cycling Tips editor Caley Fretz, a source close to the B&B team says that Pineau and the management, when informing the riders last week that the squad was about to collapse, claimed that Cavendish had backed out of his agreement to join the team and instead had decided to retire from the sport completely. Cavendish’s alleged last-minute decision then caused the incoming big-money sponsors, who seemingly had been wooed by the prospect of having their name plastered across the chest of a potential Tour de France record breaker, to withdraw their funding, causing Pineau’s precarious house of cards to collapse."

    https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-live-blog-13-december-2022-297997



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,187 ✭✭✭Junior


    I think that needs the following context as well


    "As Fretz points out in the podcast, the source – deemed to be reliable – may be correct about the contents of the meeting. Whether Pineau and his fellow management were being entirely truthful about the reasons behind the team’s demise is another matter entirely."

    https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-live-blog-13-december-2022-297997#live-blog-item-41319



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That doesn't really add up seeing as Cavendish hasn't retired.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,664 ✭✭✭✭dahat


    Not yet - he is seriously running out of options at this time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Apparently he has a team for next year but like Nairo, I don't understand the delay in the confirmation.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭griffin100


    Astana???

    I can’t see any top tier team providing him with a lead out train in any GT so it’s either a wild card team who will build around him at a GT with the hope of a victory or else a top tier team taking a punt but not providing him with much support at a GT. I’m sure someone will snap him up, the publicity a Cav victory in the TDF would be priceless especially in the era of robots.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Audrey Cordon-Ragot is another victim here. I saw her transfer come up earlier as joining a team called Zaaf and thought what the fudge? She was due to join a new B&B womens team until all this happened. Step down from Trek in terms of money for her I think even though she'll lead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,081 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Deal with Astana done apparently



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    Given the timing of Lopez' departure from Astana and Peter Kennaugh's comment last week that Cav had already signed a contract, it sounds like the negotiations were going on before even before Lopez was fired.

    Unless, of course Cav had signed a contract with someone else and has just reneged on it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    I hope it's true and he gets a world tour team so he can ride the Tour in 2023, it would be a shame for him not to get the chance to break the record.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,518 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Its would have been foolish of ineos to put cav in a grand tour when that place could be used by a strong domestique to try and challenge jumbovisma.

    Astana, i see!



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