Suggestions - New EV for sub €40,000?

Officer Giggles

Just looking for some advice on making the move over to electric.

My 2004 Corolla, which I've had for 14 years is in need of changing. My commute to work is 106km round trip. We also do regualr trips to family 250km away which I would like to do without stopping if I wanted. I can install a home charge point.

I would like to keep the budget at €40,000 so in my mind that leaves me with the Ioniq 5 base model or the MG ZS. Is there any other EVs worth considering.

Thanks

crisco10

The MG5 might be worth a look. Reading the MG zs thread, not sure you would ever get one.

Also, I know the list price for base spec Ioniq 5 is 39.9k, but suspect OTR is more. I'd thoroughly recommend it though!

Officer Giggles

I know the Ioniq 5 would go slightly over the 40k OTR but am willing to keep it on the table. Is the base level worth considering or will I be missing too many of the better extras.

Gumbo

i5

MG4

Leaf 62 kWh (is that in budget)

maybe second hand eNiro?

Model 3 hasnt hit that price point just yet for the first 2019 cars.

ted1

is it just yourself or will there be kids and a partner ?

SteelyDanJalapeno

Id3?

unkel

An MG4 is a similar size as your Corolla and starts at about €29k on the road. A lot of car for the money.

People have asked you if you are buying new or second hand, but a new EV might be a good choice if you can find one available. The €5k SEAI grant still applies which makes budget EVs like the MG4 very good value (compared to similar ICE cars). The Ioniq 5 in base form is an excellent EV and great value, but availability is poor as you can imagine. Demand for EVs is getting higher by the day and the Koreans struggle to make enough of them. Nothing has changed on that in the last 6 years.

Officer Giggles

It would be my intention to buy new. There's 2 adults and 2 pre teen kids.

The Corolla is the second car in the house so has really only ever been used to commute to work. Our diesel car would do 30,000+kms a year. This would obviously come down significantly with the arrival of an electric car.

I don't like the look of the ID3 or the MG4. I wouldn't have been a fan of the SUV segment however the raised body certainly makes it easier to get in and out of which officially means I'm getting old.

MojoMaker

Lots of folks here saying there are base trim Ioniq 5s available for January collection if you order right now. That's probably your sweet spot - although winter range may not make that 250km journey without really grannying it.

crisco10

Proud owner of base trim Ioniq 5 here, with 2 little ones (4 and almost 2) - the thing is cavernous. 2 rear facing car seats fit in back with space for 3rd adult passenger behind driver. We keep 3 buggies in the boot regularly, and plenty of space in the front (and frunk). Did our summer holidays to the continent in it no bother as well. The extremely fast DC charging helps too.

Re winter range, we get about 20kWh per 100km or so pottering around during the winter. So that implies winter range of about 290km, so as @MojoMaker said, in winter that would probably need a bit of management (and destination charging). However, in warmer weather it would be grand. (This summer we did single trips of about 300km, at 115kph for most of it, on a single charge. Probably consumed about 90% of battery)

MojoMaker

290km winter pottering about might be <200kms deep winter motorway range unless really nursing it.

Fab car though. Anything missing on the base trim you're kicking yourself over @crisco10 ?

crisco10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119966562#Comment_119966562

Yeah, that's a fair point. The pottering is also a lot of very short drives though, so you see some mad high consumption as the car never gets warmed up before its parked again. It's worth saying that a large part of our logic was that we rarely do long drives in winter, so the winter degradation in range means close to nothing to us. All our long drives are summer ones. But the OP could adjust similarly and use the Diesel in Winter, and the EV the other 9 months for example. (we are a single car house, so don't have the luxury!) It might be just the kind of compromise to allow them meet their budget.

I've said this before, there is nothing missing really that I'd kick myself over. They are all nice to haves, the odd time it would be nice to slide the console, or have a leather seat that wipes clean. But not in any real way that I wish I'd spent the money.

The only thing was the tinted windows, which we got done ourselves for €200 or so. And then I got seat protectors to go under the car seats to catch the worst of the kids crumbs/tears/vomit etc.

MojoMaker

Does the executive trim get seat heating at all?

crisco10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119966731#Comment_119966731

Yup. front seats, and steering wheel.

AMKC

Renault Megane E-Tech. The Megane Is fully electric now and its a hatchback not an SUV but you do sit a little higher up in it than a standard hatchback. It's probably slightly over your 40k budget @OP but it's a great car. It's definitely worth test driving one if you can.

Citroen E-C4 worth a look too if you can get one.

The new Peugeot 308 is available fully electric and the new Opel Astra too.

So lots of choice out there now.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119966857#Comment_119966857

Isn't a slightly higher up hatchback an SUV? 😉

Miscreant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119966883#Comment_119966883

That would be a Crossover..... 😊

AMKC

Well Renault describe it as a hatchback with some slightly higher seating.

Larbre34

Wake up, get dressed, order an MG 4, get undressed, go back to bed.

I've driven it, I've driven the ID.3 too, and the Born. I feel very little difference, except the quality of some lower materials and a slightly more simplistic interface.

The 4 is comfortable, hugely spacious, decently refined, satisfactorily solid and underpinned with a good warranty.

For 15 grand (!!!!) less than the equivalent VW or Hyundai etc, its a no brainer.

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119966943#Comment_119966943

wity the batteries in the floor. That’s the same as most EVs

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119966959#Comment_119966959

But they are not equivalent for 15k less

you are getting a 51kwh battery as opposed to a 58kwh

you need to step up a model in the mg4

the mg4 is comparable to the Kona which is 40k for a 64kwh battery which is 5k more than the 61kwh mg4

unkel

Also Ioniq 5 is more than a full size bigger than an MG4. It is huge on the inside. The 3000mm wheelbase is the same as monster trucks like the Audi Q7, Volvo XC90 and Tesla Model X

Officer Giggles

I have yet to test drive any of them but I did sit in to the three MGs and just didn't like the MG4, not a fan of how the rear looks either so it wouldn't be in the running for me.

Think the base Megane only comes with a 50kwh battery so would probably end up being a bit more than the Ioniq 5 for similar range

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967130#Comment_119967130

Actually the Mègane starts at just under 38k,

https://www.renault.ie/electric/megane-electric.html

Officer Giggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967494#Comment_119967494

The base model actually only has a 40kwh battery, the other option is 60.

jordan191

There are a few 2019 Model 3 Standard range Tesla's on done-deal for a shade over €40K, with 50 Kwh Battery, these should have a range of around 320-350km

unkel

A 4 year old poorly made Model 3 going out of warranty soon, for just €13k less than a brand new 2023 Model Y? There won't be many takers for that. The early Irish Model 3 of late 2019 early 2020 have already taken a dive of at least €5k in the last month or so, there's another dive of at least €5k coming soon. Someone will pay €35k for that car I'd say.

Grumpypants

The MG4 is a nice car. Don't let the price sway you into thinking it's a "budget" car. It's packed with features. I've the MGZS and the build quality is great. MG are making decent cars at the moment. Good chance of actually getting a MG4 too.

Officer Giggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119972367#Comment_119972367

What sort of range are you getting in the ZS, have to say I was impressed by it when I sat in

MarkN

There’s no e308 or EV Astra yet. Coming but not yet.

Megane is not a big car on the inside, Ioniq as has been mentioned is a lot bigger. You may possibly get a K3 Niro new model for that money but I think it just scrapes over.

Cupra Born is another one, there is quite a bit of choice out there now but MG4 aside, getting something that ticks all your boxes for 40k on the nose is still hard.

Buddy Bubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119972887#Comment_119972887

I saw your video of the q4 etron Mark, you mentioned starting at 47k. Is there anything available even remotely near that price though? Every one I see advertised is 60k and above

MarkN

Yeah, if you can have the willpower to not put a single extra on it :)

Buddy Bubs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119973157#Comment_119973157

I remember standard model, not the sport back, had some low prices advertised but I've yet to see one available. Silly wait times on them too.

Grumpypants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119972824#Comment_119972824

In the summer I was regularly doing over 400. It's easily 400-450km.

Now in the winter it's dropped a good bit. I'd say it's around 300-350km.

But I make no effort to save battery. Full heater, sports mode etc.

Officer Giggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119973269#Comment_119973269

That's good winter range, have you found any significant fall off over the last couple of days of sub zero temperatures

Grumpypants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119978561#Comment_119978561

Massive once the freeze set in. Dropping under 300 now. 80% charge is showing as 220 now. But you can turn on the battery heating and it comes back up.

But I'm just doing short trips with the heating on full whack. If I was on a longer trip with battery heating and heating not on all the time, I think it would still give me over 300.

unkel

That's normal for all EVs. My Tesla in the last few days with short trips is doing well over 30kWh / 100km. Near double what it does in perfect summer weather.

Grumpypants

Curiosity got the better of me so I topped up the ZS to 100% and it has a range of 330. The range is pretty accurate. So I'd say you are going to be in the 300-350 range for the winter. 400-450 for the summer.