Ban on gambling advertising

Fr Tod Umptious

So the government are going to ban gambling advertising from 5:30am to 9pm.

Great call I say

I'm sick of sitting down watching sports events (and other TV) and being hounded by adds for bookies, many of which if you look at them are actually aimed at kids.

http://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2022/1115/1336245-gambling-legislation/

Royale with Cheese

I'm really going to miss Ray Winstone telling me to BET IN PLAY NOWWWWWW every few minutes when trying to watch football.

This has been a long time coming, gambling ads on TV during sporting events have been out of control for years.

callaway92

and the damn 'FoxyBingo' type ads during daytime TV. Good riddance

Would lotto ads be included?

kippy

Should be banned 24/7.

It's likely there'd be plenty gambling adds "built in" to the content that would be diffcult remove etc but no harm making a start.

lmao10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119877714#Comment_119877714

Agreed. These gambling sites are scum. If you win a few quid you get restricted. They are only looking for the addicts/losing players. Scumbags.

murpho999

About time. Didn't go far enough.

I follow sports but don't gamble at all and its annoying to constantly get ads all the time for bookies i have zero interest in.

Even as I type this post there's an 888 Sport ad on this Boards page offering €40 in free bets.

I've often wondered how big a problem gambling must be when you see how many gambling businesses are in the market and the self regulation of "BE gamble aware" is just not enough.

It should be treated the same as smoking and not allowed advertise at all.

I will also not miss those "hilarious" Paddy Power clips that people forward all the time as they're so funny.

oceanman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119877778#Comment_119877778

hope this includes the lotto adds on tv and radio.

Wheety

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119877809#Comment_119877809

That'll be an interesting one. Lotteries are obviously gambling but they're not looked at the same way.

Always thought it was a bit hypocritical of the Lotto going on about safe gambling and being able to restrict yourself etc. but they won't allow you to play 1 line on the Irish Lotto. Has to be a minimum of 2.

murpho999

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119877809#Comment_119877809

It has to and if they protest, the regulator should wave his ban hammer at them and say "it could be you".

Atlantic Dawn

All for it if Lotto is included and that no lottery programming can run until after 9pm.

Bob the Seducer

What odds they haven't thought this through properly...

Unless there is no gambling advertising on any channels included in Sky TV packages sold in Ireland, no references to the Sky Bet Championship etc... on football coverage, no betting company/online casino sponsors on sports jerseys or betting company hoardings around pitches, tracks etc... no betting company title sponsorship of horse / greyhound races eg: 'The Ladbrokes Long Distance Hurdle' etc... a clear ban on the promotion of crypto "investment" gambling and proper restrictions controls and penalties for online gambling promotion in Ireland, it's all pointless.

You could even end up in a situation where money that would have gone to Irish sports and broadcasters is instead spent on targeting Ireland via UK broadcasters to get around the ban.

All that without even considering the need to control the deliberate promotion of gambling to kids via video game 'lootboxes', FIFA Ultimate Team packs etc...

kippy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119878255#Comment_119878255

As I said, it's a start. There are certain types of advertising you won't be able to remove during those hours but the plan I assume is to remove all 'regular' advertising.

Hopefully, overtime and with the co ordination of the EU, gambling companies will be removed from the eyeballs of those under 18 and the activity will be shunned similar to what has happened smoking over the past few decades.

ArmaniJeanss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119878255#Comment_119878255

They seem to have thought of all of that, or most of it anyway. And accepted that some things just can't be done.

They've accepted that 'in program advertising' will still be a thing and will be impossible to control especially when it comes from a broadcaster outside the state, as in your 'Ladbroke Handicap Hurdle from here in Kempton live on ITV' example. Ditto pitch-side advertising, shirt sponsors etc. Nothing can reasonably be done about these.

The bits they can control are TV/radio advertising. The technology exists for Sky Sports to do opt-outs of advertising for the Irish market, so this isn't the issue you think it is (Check out how the adverts mid-game are different already if you ever watch a game in England on Sky).

They can't do everything. You say failure to do everything on your 'list of things' makes it 'all pointless', but it strikes me as a sensible 'dont let perfect be the enemy of good' approach.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119877707#Comment_119877707

They're mostly on UK daytime TV, so we'll still be stuck with them.

Irish TV has far less overall hideous ads than UK ones so if you have Freesat it can be worth retuning the Irish versions of C4, Discovery connected free channels etc etc.

Average UK adbreak is over 50s plans, credit ratings agencies, gambling / small private lotteries, and chugging. Very few actual products get advertised anymore/

Is there an appetite to do likewise in the UK I wonder? Seems gambling ads/companies are way more entrenched in sports there and some other countries. Belgium though I think are going for a ban if I recall, that will have an impact on some teams there in a few sports.

tayto lover

Should have been a complete ban.

Jequ0n

Yes, ban everything. It’s always the solution

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119878617#Comment_119878617

No not everything, just gambling adverts.

Swaine

More nanny state bollox.

Unfortunately the cowardly Irish lap it up.

FortuneChip

A small, but positive step in my opinion.

Gambling advertising has pretty much been the wild-west in Ireland.

Watching sport, and you're likely to be subject to 3/4 gambling ads during each ad break (not factoring in the in-programme sponsorship etc). Unfortunately, they're obviously linked, but it hardly stops there.

Even watching family movies on RTE2 at the weekend recently, and having Will Hill ads displaying seems inappropriate.

I know not all ads are going to be relevant for the audience of a particular show etc, but I think we can look to use common sense to reduce inappropriate and irresponsibly placed adverts.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119878742#Comment_119878742

It's not really nanny state.

The ability to access their services fully remains, to your hearts content, with minimal regulation, for as far as your bank balance allows.

Potential-Monke

No harm. It's being targeted too much at kids/teens and backed up by in-game mechanics most of these kids/teens play, and they're creating future addicts. We can't on one hand say kids/teens are influenced by others actions, but exclude some actions. Didn't go far enough, YouTube at nights is nearly nothing but gambling ads. Probably because I do the lotto, but I haven't placed a "bet" in about 8 years.

Unfortunately, it does need to be restricted to adults too, because sheeple be sheeple. The argument of "I can control myself so why should I be restricted" is lost to "for the greater good, because most adults are too stupid irresponsible so they do ruin it for the rest of us, see: every law ever". Gambling is far more negative than positive, and just like smoking should be advertising restricted.

Those against it will have no problem with legalisation of cannabis so. Or any drug. Most can consume safely, why should they be restricted by those who can't? Same argument for nearly anything. C'est la vie. My opinion vs your opinion.

xxxxxxl

I would also ban random loot boxes in games another form of gambling. Esp for young kids getting into it.

FortuneChip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119879970#Comment_119879970

They're a massive concern.

The consumer behaviour is identical to gambling, and has all the addictive trappings. Dopamine hit, anticipation of reward etc as you make your payment and your new box opens. It's pure gaming, but because it's filled with colourful imagery and bright graphics it's seen as friendly fun. Toxic stuff, and creates a new generation of addicts who don't understand the consequence of this gaming experience.

SEPT 23 1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119878742#Comment_119878742

If the awful working class cant behave themselves whether it be smoking,drinking or gambling

the state must step in

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119879772#Comment_119879772

It’s 100% nanny state. Imagine the industry you work in is targeted next. No advertising for you. It’s pathetic. The tiny minority of wasters being nannied and it effects everyone, same with MUP etc.

erlichbachman

Advertisement is the bane of the Internet, all adverts, the constant flow of unwanted and uninitiated banners offering crap that nobody wants.

If I was made boss of the Internet tomorrow we would never see another online advert again.

FortuneChip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882506#Comment_119882506

They've had a pretty free run of it for a long time with minimal restrictions. They've saturated every media outlet available, with near constant frequency, highlighting the ease of their service, alluded to your potential glory and almost always under the guise of your witty-banter friend.

A little more responsibility from the industry and they wouldn't be in this position.

MUP directly impacts a consumer by charging more money.

This doesn't. You can still bet as much as you like (or the bookie allows), as frequently as you like, on just about anything you like.

The only entity impacted here; aside from those "wasters" or suspectible/impressionable people (potentially kids) who are being shown all the amazing things about gambling without any of the risks being adequately highlighted, is the gambling industry themselves.

And I'm not going to cry over them suffering a rare loss.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882506#Comment_119882506

But how is a ban on gambling advertising between the hours of 5am and 9pm going to adversely affect you?

Are you going to miss the ads with the bantz between the guys ?

Or the ones with the giant or the spaceman that are clearly aimed at young boys ?

Or are you going to miss what price you can get on an "acca" ? (which is probably the most stupid bet a person can place.)

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882972#Comment_119882972

I would be against mup for example. But this has no affect on anyone really Less annoying ads the better how many people sit through ads anyway I normally mute them barely watch tv. Best way to avoid them is just record and then fast forward. It's not effecting price or being put behind curtains. I would be fine will all ads being banned tbh.

castletownman

To be fair, the problem gambler isn't going to bet on the spur of the moment because Ray Winstone has popped up on the screen. They are probably glued to their app already anyway.

Gambling is a problem, I know it is, but like most addictions, its the minority that is affected. They may as well ban McDonalds ads while they are at, as obesity is off the charts, and at least gamblers don't clog up our health system.

I won't miss Peter Crouch and that gimp from Celebrity Juice popping up on my screen every second ad though.

kippy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119878617#Comment_119878617

Gambling and sport (particularily) should not be intertwined. Kids should not be exposed to gambling advertising. The proliferation of gambling related content and sporting (particularily soccer) events has been worrying for ages.

Normalising a behaviour such as gambling should not be allowed. So, nobody is asking to ban everything - just things that lead to troublesome behaviour.

kippy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119883195#Comment_119883195

Normalising gambling is the issue. The very fact of the matter is that themore people that start to gamble, because they believe it to be a "normal acceptable" activity, the more problem gamblers there will be.

The constant gambling ads and integration with soccer matches and sporting events is only aimed at attracting young eyes and normalising the behaviour.

This is completely wrong.

Hangdogroad

Good, about time.

eggy81

What a caring government. We are lucky to have em

happyoutscan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119884391#Comment_119884391

This is so silly.

Surely you have the brain cells to understand that gambling does not need to be broadcast 24/7. As other posters have stated, the industry are attempting to normalise gambling which shows you how morally corrupt these c*nts are.

We can still have a flutter so your 'rights' have not been particularly impacted.

Few other posters here up in arms as well. I can only assume they are either immature or are problem gamblers (thus needing some form of justification). I sincerely hope it is the former.

The impact of gambling addiction on families in this country is awful.

Hodors Appletart

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119883195#Comment_119883195

somerthing which 80% of people are also in favour of, by the way

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40899833.html

the kelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119883220#Comment_119883220

Just as a matter of interest in regards to your last point.

Ive no issue with banning ads for gambling, might as well ban them altogether off the tv’s/radios to be honest.

But on your last statement, where does that thinking end? Let’s just ban everything that may lead to troublesome behaviour? Is that really the world we want to live in?

Lets just ban everything!

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882657#Comment_119882657

Or you could take the entire 3 seconds it takes to download adblocker. You don’t need to be boss of the internet.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119884440#Comment_119884440

Gambling is normal. It’s been happening forever. It’s probably up there with prostitution as the worlds oldest profession.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119884532#Comment_119884532

Which also can't be advertised even at night!

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119883195#Comment_119883195

Advertising by gambling companies is not aimed at the problem gambler.

They are aimed at kids and young people, mainly boys and men.

You start off with the adds containg the spaceman or the giant.

Theses are aimed at the 8 to 10 year olds. The same age these kids are beginning to understand how sports and leagues work and what supporting teams isall about.

It's all about brand awareness, and that brand will appear thousands of times when they see sports over the coming years.

The other adds are for the guys who are now at legal gambling age.

They have been associating the sports with the betting since they were kids, and now it's all about hanging out, and having the "bantz" etc

kippy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119884508#Comment_119884508

Problem gambling is a major issue in this country and globally.

Asking "where will/does it end - lets ban everything" is a complete strawman/red herring. There are behaviours that are bad for people and society. The less people that partake in these behavours the less people with problems you will have.

Based on that logic (lets not restrict anything) - we would be back to a chaotic world fairly quickly.

The main issues I have, as you've seen, is the targetting of children/teens and the amount of people who cannot escape seeing advertising for gambling companies.

In general restricting things that have been proven to lead to negative outcomes for individuals and society is a good way to run society - history tells us that.

kippy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119884532#Comment_119884532

That doesn't mean companies that profit from gambling should be given free reign to advertise to whomever they want.

The reality nowadays is that gambling is a far bigger issue than it ever was - purely down to the 24/7/online nature of it - companies that profit from it, should not be allowed promote it.

murpho999

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119884522#Comment_119884522

The internet is not just on desktops.

I keep getting gambling ads on this site despite having an adblocker. My twitter feed is full of gambling ads based on the fact that I use twitter mostly for football and sports news.

Also, just because you know how to control these ads does not mean everyone can and many vulnerable people would have no idea about adblockers.

Legislation has to cater for the lowest common denominator. Like most people would be capable of driving faster than 120km on a motorway but some cannot so you have to legislate for that.

It's right to ban these, especially on TV, It will be nice to watch a sports event without a barrage of "when the fun stops-stop" ads at half time.

castletownman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119884576#Comment_119884576

And yet, its the parents that first actively encourage them to put a bet on, usually when the Grand National comes around. Ah sure you might as well pick a few horses since there's 40 in the field. I know I was definitely under 10 when I was 'allowed' pick one for the first time.

What about grandparents sending a few scratchcards with a birthday card, and the thrill that entailed? Does that count as gambling?

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119885130#Comment_119885130

I don't dispute that the above happens

And no one is trying to ban gambling.

But that doesn't mean that gambling sites don't target children.

Take a look at this ad.

Who's eyes do you think it would appeal to ?

https://youtu.be/YGZ9MI4MD3I

FortuneChip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119885130#Comment_119885130

You're right. A lot of that first exposure does come from parents/extended family/peers. And it can be the first step in normalising behaviour. One can only hope that "novelty bet" exists in isolation, or a well-controlled environment, or with the potential harms highlighted (less likely). Otherwise, it carries the same risk of seeding an addictive behaviour as advertising might.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119884532#Comment_119884532

I think when people say "normalising the behaviour", it means ingraining it as an essential accompaniment to the subject of the behaviour; i.e watching football can't exist without a bet, or as the gambling company might phrase it "it matters more when there's money on it". Of course the action itself is normal enough.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119884440#Comment_119884440

Or they work in the industry.

callaway92

People still don't seem to 'get' it

Ivan Toney (Premier League Footballer) gonna get in a lot of trouble with a long ban for his betting on football (illegal)

I tweeted basically complaining about people taking the mick out of him (for likes/retweets) for what is a clear addiction

First reply:

'You think that 1 bet a week makes it a gambling addiction'

People just don't get it and the education around it is still so weak

A great piece of legislation, and I say that as someone who is no stranger to throwing a 50 at a bookie at the races.

I'd go further and nationalise gambling except if you are visiting the track. No more PaddyPower "banter", signup offers, advertising during TV coverage.

If you want to bet then visit the Tote in each town, or gamble online during strict hours.

If you do actually love the sport of horse racing then be charged 50 quid to get in and bet as much as you want with on-course bookies who have to keep audited accounts of every bet. Including laying off.

Strumms

Watching tv last night and just gambling advertising is literally everywhere. Sport has been saddled with it but seems endemic everywhere now.

Sky bet and Sky Vegas have been fined by the regulators over there.