Ireland running out of accommodation for Ukrainian refugees due to surge in non-Ukrainian refugees?

donaghs

Is this really happening?

Only heard about it this week, but in the context of it being the UK's fault for having the Rwanda refugee plan.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/people-fleeing-wars-will-be-prioritised-in-the-irish-asylum-system-taoiseach-insists-41839628.html

The Citywest scheme was setup to house Ukrainian refugees, but only 30% of people there are Ukrainian? (Irish Independent).

https://www.politico.eu/article/micheal-martin-ireland-ukraine-war-refugees-uk-rwanda-policy/

Although other sources like the BBC says the Rwanda policy has not reduced the number of illegal migrants coming into the UK, and no-one has been sent to Rwanda yet - attempted flights were cancelled due to legal rulings.

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-61782866

Is this a result of the UK getting tougher on illegal immigration and asylum claims? This is all new to me, the number of non-Ukrainians seems staggering, given the war in Ukraine, and the media about it, and even some people complaining about Ireland have to look after victims of the Russian invasion.

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Offer 208 quid a week pocket money, free food, free transport, free access to GP's, with a prior promise of your own free house in 4 weeks and are then surprised that everybody from everywhere turns up when nobody is being vetted? Sounds like our government alright!

Hooked

This country is BEYOND a joke... and has been for years.

And what's worse... it'll NEVER change!!!

timmyntc

Play stupid games...

Tow

It is all part of the Government's plans to increase the population by immigration. However, this conflicts with their other policy of reducing Green House Emissions etc.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119371501#Comment_119371501

It's all part of the governments plans to get cushy jobs in EU after their term is up.

The great bunch of lads taking all the refugees, and offering loads of aid, and being the best boys in class. Thats what its all about. Not a thought about the country and the consequences for it, its all careerism - eyeing up the next job.

Mike Murdock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119371446#Comment_119371446

This could be the theme tune to this post

https://youtu.be/gyZDZCGQJf8

spontindeed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058255575/ireland-running-out-of-accommodation-for-ukrainian-refugees-due-to-surge-in-non-ukrainian-refugees

I have friends from eastern Europe and they can't believe what's happening here. In their Countries, they deny non-Ukrainian asylum seekers entry into their Country. There's no reason why we can't refuse entry to illegal asylum seekers who turn up without any travel record. When the political will is there, this can be done using emergency powers.

Also in eastern Europe, their taxpayers don't fund NGO's who facilitate illegal-migration. No reason why we can't end funding to NGO's in this Country either. I believe in 2011, Kenny promised to end taxpayer funding to all radical-left NGO's but it never happened. Such NGO's are encouraging illegal migration here. Yet our taxes is still funding them?

My eastern European friends always laugh whenever the radical left here preach about abolishing direct provision and giving asylum seekers "more houses" - in eastern Europe, they don't do this. They have closed processing centers for asylum seeekers that NGO's aren't allowed access nor are the media. Also, the burden of proof is much higher for asylum seekers over there. Here, it's like a free-for all. The Department of Justice here needs to take direct control over the asylum system decision making (like before). I worry that the decision making in our asylum system has been infiltrated by activist lawyers and the radical left. A future Government should retroactively probe all successful asylum claims here between 2011 and now (personally I would go back as far as 1996 given the irregular number of suspiciously-high successful claims during that time). I believe the CJEU has previously ruled that mumber ststes can do this. Even if the ECJ didn't, we could retaliate by withholding EU net-contribution funds that we have huge leverage over. Retroactive laws are widely used in most eastern European Countries which is hugely beneficial with past decisions on illegal asylum seekers. We should introduce a retroactive clause in our legislation also. In eastern Europe, they regularly do this.

hairymaryberry

Are they any politicians in Ireland brave enough to stand up and say this is madness?

Are we left with only the so call far Right calling a spade a spade?

FF/FG/Greens are on the path to ruining the country, who do we vote for to enact sensible policies?

aziz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375393#Comment_119375393

No

yes

fuck knows

creeper1

Blaming the failed and discredited weak attempt at getting a handle on migration policy otherwise known as the Rwanda deal is an abdication of responsibility.

Not a single migrant has ever been put on a flight to Rwanda. It was a very public show of impotence that would do more to embolden illegal stays in the U.K.

The Irish government have to take responsibility for this. Deportations have to start on mass. Make way for the Ukrainian refugees and cap numbers in terms of refugees.

creeper1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119371446#Comment_119371446

If that’s true it’s deeply shocking. Most of the world would not get that breaking their back in an 80 hour work week. No brainer to arrive in Ireland and get this free money.

zell12

Also the Govt have no idea how many are coming in via the North to claim asylum here. This is based on high numbers of people arriving at immigration offices in city centre rather than at ports/airports. Anecdotally, it is linked to UK crackdown on migrants

asdfg87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119371476#Comment_119371476

We don't want it to change as we have the same politicians ruining our country all over again. I am not sure how sustainable we are in the short to medium term.

As soon as the trioke left we went back to our old ways.

Luxembourgo

This has been discussed for years in the multiculturalism thread. It's an absolute mess. All of their own making my avoiding hard decisions

asdfg87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375493#Comment_119375493

An Irish Government make a decisive decision, when is the last time you seen that. Most decisions i see are made based on EU laws and funding.

Its an interesting question and maybe they are making decisions for the good of the people i am not aware of.

NIMAN

There recently was a coffee morning type event locally, so that we could all attend and get to meet and greet our new ukranian arrivals.

It was very well attended and helped us to get to know them a little, even if the language barrier was huge in some cases.

However one case stood out, not sure how isolated a case it would be.

A ukranian woman had an Albanian husband, and they were both here. She said that they could have easily gone to Albania and sat out the war, but that they came to Ireland because "there was so much more being offered to them".

Her words.

FGR

Bear in mind too that Ireland has a very lax Immigration enforcement system. Deportation can take decades and cost the state millions depending on the number of appeals for just one person.

That little gem is known to those economic migrants, too.

Someone needs to stand up and call out things for what they are without being called a racist or xenophobe. Sadly it's a big fear the mainstream parties have as the media do not like to challenge that either.

aland123

Looks like a memo went out to the media last night, not a single article, editorial, opinion piece or letter on todays news cycle about Ukrainian refugees.

Patrick2010

You obviously haven’t read the Indo

Kermit.de.frog

People around Europe used to be screaming at Sweden as they made a complete pigs ear of their own country and the consequences piled up.

Like Sweden, Ireland seems to think it has some moral obligation to sort out the world's problems at our own expense.

This comes down to a lack of leadership. No one is willing to say 'stop'. Discussion is shut down.

It's not so much the numbers as the quality of people arriving. Are they all our future doctors or physicians?

We should only be taking those with the skills we need.

Patrick2010

NGO spokesman quoted in today’s Indo that as Ireland is one of the wealthiest countries in the world we should be able to offer better accommodation than tents

Strumms

Stop the world and let me off.

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119376972#Comment_119376972

The one on 120k plus?

Flinty997

They are trying to put a gallon in a pint pot and wondering why it doesn't fit.

There's a queue ahead of them doing exactly the same thing into exactly the same bottle.

whisky_galore

The US is, or used be at any rate, called the world police, Ireland is trying to be the world's Mammy.

FGR

Speaking of the US - how many refugees have they committed to taking?

Richard Hillman

The immigration issue is finally hitting somebody in the face. Looks like the Rwanda proposal has been a remarkable success in it being a deterrent. A bit like Trump's wall proposals lead to massive drop in migrants at the Mexican border.

For too long politician's, Media, NGOs have been sitting around sniffing their own farts and being judgemental on countries that were being inundated with migrants. Now these people actually have to deal with the issue.

Will they though? No. They'll self suicide their nation, just like France, UK, Sweden and Germany have. You can never reverse it and your country will never be the same again. The country that you know will never be the same. And you'll end up a shithole like the UK.

dollylama

Can't help but notice the sudden silence of all those keyboard warriors here and elsewhere where before now, they'd be down your throat, shaming you for merely mentioning the immigration word.

There's barely a town or village left that's not rammed with Ukrainians and others at the moment. I wonder was it a case they were all for immigration but just not in my back yard?

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119386106#Comment_119386106

Perhaps they're finally starting to realize it's not doctors and engineers their communities are getting.

3000 in kerry and counting

cezanne

God help the children that are being born in Ireland today there will be nothing for them but a shithole country with no services and tons of crime. The keyboard immigrant lovers are staying silent cos they just realised that the Ukranian family sunning themselves in their garden and sipping beers have no end date and will be there for years. Karma is a bitch, we told you so & you callled us racist ! A least as racists we still have autonomy in our own gardens & homes there is justice after all.!

Gant21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119386169#Comment_119386169

Can one estimate 2000 would be adults,

some sums on that 2000 x €208 = €416,000 in dole. Hotels getting €135 average a night x 3000 = €2.8 million.

Over 3 million a week to house then plus childrens allowance, medical, food allowances.

SuperBowserWorld

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119386169#Comment_119386169

They did release a load of natterjack toads in Kerry yesterday.

Poor bastards being wiped out by us all.

But at least now they can get cash out at AIB.

😁

JP Liz V1

We need a stop limit, close the ports and borders to them all, enough is enough, we are a small country

Gant21

Helen has opened the gates, the consequences will be dire. Our country will be like parts of London in a few years and I wouldn’t go back living like that.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375393#Comment_119375393

There are politicians but unfortunately it is the likes of Verona Murphy who say it so her ilk get shouted down by government TD's and can be dismissed as being anti immigration.

As to who to vote for, fúck knows, for me FF/FG/Greens/SF/LAB/Soc Dems are all the same.

How could the government not see that this was going to be abused or was it they could see it was going to be abused but they are all eyeing up cushy EU jobs were they don't have to answer to an electorate?

Absolute Zero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119386187#Comment_119386187

You win this thread. Our country is lost. I said it before, batten down the hatches and **** the rest of them (IF you are lucky to have your own house..)

zell12

10k IPAS refugees up to Oct, 15k total expected by year end. Georgia, Somalia and Algeria are the top origins

+ 54k Ukrainian refugees

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2022/10/06/thousands-of-passengers-destroy-or-lose-passports-before-arrival-at-dublin-airport/

Gatling

Remember the incoming illegal immigrant amnesty is playing a part too many from the UK are coming here to get on to the list, while around other arrivals already have been granted asylum already in other EU countries but are now claiming asylum here...

Jinglejangle69

1000s of people from Somalia Algeria etc which we know nothing about.

Country is goosed.

Shameful.

captain dildano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119372291#Comment_119372291

In a sensible country yes, but earlier this week it was stated by MM that part of the future strategy for housing refugees would be in State owned facilities run by NGO's. I've no idea what this state owned facilities means, could be the aquisition of hotels currently being used as refugee centres or private housing developments, who really knows? In my opinion, realistically, few if any of the current TD's will be running for reelection next time around. Many will be hoping for jobs in Brussels and given the absolute level of contempt dripping from MM mouth for the people of Ireland lately, I think it's safe to say that he's secured himself a job in Brussels. The level of arrogance and contempt coming from the man is breathtaking.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119707860#Comment_119707860

Bear in mind that, even if MM didn't exist, the exact same wishy washy sh1te would still be coming out of the mouth of some equally useless political leader.

From that Irish Times report:

"In 2019, immigration procedures were amended in light of increasing reports of passports being destroyed in transit. Passport checks were moved to the steps of some arrival flights to prevent people disposing of their documents before they reached immigration. This led to an increase in people being refused leave to land and being put back on flights for return to their destination. This measure was later scaled back."

So who took the decision to scale back this very sensible procedure and why? The Minister for Justice in 2019 was Charlie Flanagan. In June 2020 he was replaced by the wishy-washy Helen McEntee. (I'm sure that had nothing to do with the change in policy!)

zell12

The government has been mainly relying on the private sector for accommodation, so much so that one in seven hotels across the country are now being used for that purpose - accommodating refugees and asylum seekers. But with no sign of the numbers arriving here anytime soon, what’s the long-term plan? And why are so much more people seeking international protection here this year?

Speaking to people in Celbridge, where the Celbridge Manor Hotel is now being used as a Direct Provision Centre, Barry found a near-unanimous call for a cap on the number of new arrivals into the State.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/one-in-seven-irish-hotels-now-housing-refugees-and-asylum-seekers-1389781

Worth a listen, particularly the local unhappy local residents. “They take people in and they bung them in the back end of Roscommon or the back end of Leitrim where there are no schools, no shops, no hospitals – nothing."

https://twitter.com/BarryWhyte85/status/1577734449357377537?s=20&t=nJWS95yGVTz4jEj3AiZ6iw

https://twitter.com/BarryWhyte85/status/1577734524842217472?s=20&t=nJWS95yGVTz4jEj3AiZ6iw

KrustyUCC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119707761#Comment_119707761

"Almost 40 per cent of people seeking asylum in Ireland this year arrived through Dublin Airport without any travel documents.

Travel documents are required to board international flights, indicating large numbers of people are losing or destroying their passports before reaching immigration control in Dublin.

Between January and July, 2,915 people flew into Dublin Airport and did not produce travel documents to border management officials, meaning they were refused leave to land.

Of these, 2,232 or 77 per cent then claimed asylum, according to records released following a Freedom of Information request, meaning they were allowed remain pending assessment of their claim."

Pat Kenny had a report on this part of the article earlier

That's a mad system that you can claim asylum despite destroying documentation

".....Of these, 2,232 or 77 per cent then claimed asylum, according to records released following a Freedom of Information request, meaning they were allowed remain pending assessment of their claim. Pat Kenny had a report on this part of the article earlier. That's a mad system that you can claim asylum despite destroying documentation."

Easiest solution would be to have an immigration officer stationed at the departure gates of every flight departing for Ireland and taking a quick photo of every passenger's passport before they were allowed to embark. The photos would then be deleted at passport control.

The costs of this would be miniscule when compared to the cost of accommodating these illegal migrants for years and then allowing them and their well-paid lawyers to abuse the judicial process in order to extend their paid vacation in Ireland.

jack of all

I heard the segment on Pat Kenny's show myself, beggar's belief that this carry on is tolerated. My teenage daughters couldn't open a bank account this year without having a valid passport and we allow people to enter the country without documentation, we are not helping ourselves.

F34

Surely they should be returned to origin of the flight if they can’t produce any documents. Big question is why are are we not enforcing laws.

Geuze

I have been saying this for years.

All asylum-seekers are bogus.

Yet, often, people do not accept that statement.

I see campaigns saying "Who is here stays here".

I even see scholarships for bogus AS.

Why would you give a scholarship to a criminal?

Gatling

For anyone who thinks deportations will happen,

1500, deportations over the last 30 years,in that time 60,000+ have been through direct provision alone not including those who never entered Direct provision, we've a foreign prison population of something like 14% .