Lower Decks 3x06 - 'Hear All, Trust Nothing ' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** }

ilovesmybrick

Lower Decks 3x06 - 'Hear All, Trust Nothing ' ~~ { ** Spoilers Within ** } Warning: This thread will contain spoilers 

ilovesmybrick

Favourite episode of the season so far! The animation of DS9 was phenomenal and the cameos were a delight. Also I liked that it was a callback to one of my favourite episodes of DS9. Slow start this season, but the past two episodes have been top notch.

corkie

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Hear_All%2C_Trust_Nothing_%28episode%29

Continuity

This episode features the return of Admiral Les Buenamigo, who was introduced in the LD Season 3 premiere "Grounded".

This episode features the return to Deep Space 9, the first visit to the station since the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine series finale "What You Leave Behind", and the return of the Karemma, who last appeared twenty-seven years ago in the episode "Starship Down".

Name drops included references to Jake Sisko, Miles O'Brien, and his mirror universe counterpart Smiley.

Legacy cameos of those who have remained in the years since, included Kira Nerys is still in command, Quark still running his bar, and Morn still being his number one customer.

Special guest stars

• Armin Shimerman as "Quark"
• Nana Visitor as "Col. Kira Nerys

Enjoyable episode.

eadrom

Wa-hay! I didn't know there was going to be "a DS9 episode" until Stark mentioned it the other day on the main ST:LD thread, so this was a nice surprise.

Seeing Quark and Kira bicker with each other again was great!

The station looked great.

Amazing that they can fit three good story threads into the runtime of these episodes but they do and I enjoyed all three. Particularly the trade deal with Quark and Kira taking part.

Great seeing DS9 again. This time-frame would be perfect for a more serious and dramatic animation series. Relatively inexpensive enough to be able to focus on less mainstream-friendly aspects of Trek, and just continue on from Nemesis or whatever it was that happened last.

Slydice

Awe that was great! Just so much fun! And hearing Nana Visitor and Armin Shimermans voices! AND Mourn! and they remembered it's Colonel!

Fun but also relaxing and soothing a bit 🙂

AND THE FLYBY AT THE START!!! 😂

TheValeyard

That was ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!!!

I just smiled ny way through that entire episode.

I was in awe of the pylons!

Why could Michael have been like Mariner.

Mariner is as head strong, insubordinate, "bossy", and know-all but she knows that it is too much at times and has grown, consistantly, from the first season. The original threads were full of (and I think that I was one) people groaning that they were doubling down on asshole characters always getting rewarded. This has been fantastic character development.

I know we have "Bold" Boimler, at the moment, but it kinda feels like his character is being left behind. Mariner has a relationship and aforementioned growth, Tendi is on the advanced training program and is coming to terms with herself, and Rutherford has that entire sub-plot about his implant growing for years now.

What has Boimler got? A duplicate doing better than him, in the path he wanted

Spear

A lot of good moments and callbacks to give everything a warm fuzzy nostalgic glow. And a lot of character progression focus, Mariner and her attempts to get along with people she may not like, Bold Boimler continues, Tendi opens up about uncomfortably Orion past. Little for Rutherford, but he had his time last episode. Some of the riffs on DS9 were right on target - 'Just keep circling...'

The basic storyline was fairly simple, which is fine as a mcguffin to get the DS9 setting and callbacks going. But it does seem a little lacking in ambition. And that seems to be a running theme of the season so far. No major battles, no ships being terraformed, infested by aliens etc. After the great set pieces of season 2, like the saving of the Archimedes or the rescue by the Titan, it all feels a little flat so far.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119685205#Comment_119685205

Ahh I don't know. It is a California class, afterall. I kinda felt that they were getting into too many big deal issues, last season. I prefer the character growth we are seeing here and really feel we are going to need this, when the Rutherford story ramps up.

The_Wanderer

Haven't really watched Lower Decks but made a point of watching this today. DS9 nostalgia fest. Loved it. Though Quark sounded a bit off with his voice I thought.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119685515#Comment_119685515

Yeah I thought that too about Quark's voice ... at first I thought they'd hired a different actor.

Varik

Might have been a remote voice recording, instead of a sound isolated echo proof room they'd Shimermans' office and whatever mic they sent him.

Same for the rest of the guest, all sound a bit off.

eadrom

They’re 20+ years older than the last time we really heard them in-character too though. While the characters themselves are only a handful of years.

That’ll make a difference.

_Kaiser_

You have to remember that a LOT of years have passed since DS9 wrapped. The actors are a lot older now.

Really good episode though.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119685515#Comment_119685515

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119685750#Comment_119685750

He sounded off to me too, I think it was the lack of Ferengi teeth.

Good episode, nice to catch up with everything. I wonder if Bajor decided not to join the Federation after all or was it still in the works.

TheValeyard

I put it down to him (real life) been alot older. Like the way Picard sounds different.

flazio

I would agree it's down to the lack of prosthetics.

Fun episode, preferred last weeks but still enjoyed this one.

The Shax Kira banter was brilliant.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119686338#Comment_119686338

Yeah, fair point. I guess I registered it with Quark more because you don't see the aged character, but you remember the voice as it was.

The_Wanderer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119686248#Comment_119686248

Armin Shimerman confirmed on twitter today that he wore the teeth for the speaking.

Cookie_Monster

That was a great episode, slightly dodgy voices aside.

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119687236#Comment_119687236

https://twitter.com/ShimermanArmin/status/1575889250616082438?t=_TjP8WKd3ge2F436dTX2Mw&s=19

Makes sense, doing this wouldn't be all that different to recording ADR.

One tiny niggle, I think this would have been the perfect episode for a title card In Memory of Louise Fletcher and Camile Saviola.

AMKC

That was another excellent episode. I loved the running joke between Keira and Shax. Loved seeing DS9 again. Who voiced Keira and Quark?

Never-ending it was Armin and Nana they just sounded a bit different si I thought someone else did them but the answers are in the posts above.

Boimler winning at the Dabo lol.

The only think I seen wrong with it is that Cerritos should not have been effected by whatever the Karemma used to Disable DS9.

pah

That opening! I was grinning from ear to ear 😁

Stark

The opening was perfect. I was laughing and tearing up all at the same time.

That Orion guy struck me as a total dig at Worf. Someone on this forum commented that Worf reminded him/her of an American-Irish person with over the top republican tendencies which was basically the Orion character.

Kira sounded a bit off to me as well as Quark but I guess it's the animated visuals affecting my perception of their voices.

JayRoc

Well, that was absolutely fantastic.

TheIrishGrover

Yeah, that was fun. Thought that Quark's voice was off for quite a bit (In that I thought it was someone else much of the time). I don't know if Shimmerman has done much voice-acting but it is a totally different beast. It's one of the big problems I had with Marvel's "What If?..." series. Some actors just didn't know how to voice act. Johansson was pretty bad, Bosman was pretty good and Honshu was actually pretty hilarious and great. Nana Visitor was very good. Without looking it up on IMDb, I'd say she has VO experience (Look up "I know that voice" for a cool doc on voice acting).

But the episode itself was fun. That "Juuuuust keep circling" gag was fantastic. (And was great to hear the music). Thought Tendi going all ultra-cool at the end was great.

Loved Mariner going around shooting up the place. I totally missed them mentioning Mariner was gay before this season but loved seeing her frustration at that "salon".... I think any one of us would have shot the place up. Hah. And I love this emerging running-gag about Boimler being this (oblivious) lady-killer.

And Morn..... 'nuff said.

Spear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119699439#Comment_119699439

Armin Shimerman has done quite a bit of voice acting work, including some famous roles such as Andrew Ryan in Bioshock. He's completely unrecognisable in that role. I thought his first one or two lines sounded a bit off in Lower Decks, but the rest was consistent.

Mariner isn't gay, but rather she did explicitly state she was bi in a past season, with a line about how she liked "bad boys, bad girls..."

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119685962#Comment_119685962

Would have never thought Nana Visitor was almost 40 playing Kira and she certainly doesn't look 65 now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119699439#Comment_119699439

"And Morn..... 'nuff said"

I'm amazed they had any time, for story, with the way he kept talking!

Stark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119699562#Comment_119699562

Yeah was thinking they must have shelled out a fortune to get the voice actor back for the role.

Stark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119699478#Comment_119699478

"Bad gender non-binaries, bad Binars..."

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119699439#Comment_119699439

That wasn't Scarlet Johansson it was a voice actor called Lake Bell.

Not all on screen actors voiced their characters for What If. Peter Parker, Carol Danvers, Natasha Romanoff, Betty Ross, Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Thunderbolt Ross, Peter Quill and a few others had different voice actors.

Of note to this thread is that Fred Tatasciore did additional Voices / Drax / Corvus Glaive / Volstagg

So Shax is Drax

corkie

https://gamerant.com/star-trek-who-was-morn/

:-) Did he die?

MrVestek

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119699562#Comment_119699562

Omg that guy just does NOT shut UP!

TheIrishGrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119699901#Comment_119699901

Oh you are right. And that's strange cos she's done a ton of voice work. (And on-screen work). She did Doc Ock in Spiderverse for God's sake!!! She was just SO flat in "What if?..." As a matter of fact, many of the acting on that was flat..... Or maybe it's just because I didn't like it and treated the acting unfairly.

But I DID know that Shax did Drax. lol. HE's been around for yonks. One of those ones you always see around.

But it goes to show how important the right voice is. There's a reason Andrea Romano is so sought after as a voice director.

Anyway, as to the episode. I did love Quark's scream and his "how did this benefit be?" "Well you're happier being poor than in prison, right?" "Nooooo!!!!!"

Stark

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700055#Comment_119700055

Funnily enough, my initial reaction to seeing him was "I thought he was dead". Forgot about the twist at the end of that DS9 episode.

CastorTroy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700837#Comment_119700837

Yeah I seemed to remember him dying as well so googled it.

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119700588#Comment_119700588

🤦‍♂️ Check IMDB sometime, would you?

Olivia Octavius in Spider-verse was played by Agatha all along, aka Kathryn Hahn, she was never in What If.

Other notable Spider-verse actors include Hailee Stienfeld as Gwen, who's Kate Bishop in Hawkeye, Bryan Tyree Henry who was officer Jefferson Davis and Phastos in Eternals and in a post credit scene Oscar Issacs plays Miguel O'Hara and also Moonknight.

And just to bring it back to Star Trek... again, Chris Pine is the voice of the first Peter Parker.

Evade

The voice actress for Captain Marvel was in Spideverse too, just not as Doc Ock.

pixelburp

Running a bit behind with episodes but had to comment on this one; a single 25 minute animated comedy managed to outstrip a whole live action show dedicated towards a successful "years later" visit to an old Trek.

A fabulous small tribute to DS9 with a couple of key characters returning and a decent embrace of the old show - without feeling suffocating with its nostalgia. A few nods here and there but damn; with the right people in charge, a DS9 show doesn't feel outrageous anymore. With the right people in charge.

Agree 100% with the assertion that Mariner is a better version of Burnham than the actual Burnham ever has been. But I think a key difference is Lower Decks is allowed a tonal register Discovery can't or won't touch.

I was a tiny bit disappointed there wasn't a Garage cameo, I'll be honest.

Garak?

pixelburp

Indeed. Autocorrect doing its worst.

Especially the lies