Quiet Quitting - the new “great resignation”

Relax brah

Quiet quitting - The work trend taking over TikTok

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0826/1319012-quiet-quitting-the-work-trend-taking-over-tiktok/

Read this article on RTÉ today, found very interesting and something I have absolutely noticed working in an upper management role.

Personally I believe this is the new burn out from people working at home looking at zoom all day.

Eager to get members views on this?

brokenangel

It is happening all over the World, a lot of people are kicking back against working the long hours and after spending so long with family etc they don’t want to return to the hun drum

Even our company, it was only a select few who could WFH, now everyone can because they can’t hold staff and they can’t attract staff if they don’t offer.

You also notice the amount of people working late or contactable after hours is not gone.

To be honest it is good and some companies seem to be struggling as they had a model of 2 people to do 4 people work and then just flog them till they quit. People just won’t do it and they are right

SuperBowserWorld

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Hello 2D Person Below

The pandemic made people realise just how fucked over they've been getting in the workplace and that there's more to life than sending yourself into an early grave.

Tbh, I work in a profession where working overtime on a semi frequent basis largely doesn't benefit my job. If anything, I tend to do a better job if I just come in the next day with a fresh mind. I realistically do work more than a normal 9 to 5. But I enjoy what I do.

I have had a handful of occasions where I've worked overtime to a substantial degree in previous roles, it wasn't good for me either physically or mentally.

And in general I am viewed as a top performer in my role. Working well with my time is more beneficial than excess tbh.

SuperBowserWorld

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One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058260644/quiet-quitting-the-new-great-resignation

Personally I believe this is the new burn out from people working at home looking at zoom all day.

The phenomenon being described in the article is nothing new. There were always people like that who would do only their contracted hours and be clock-watching from the start to finish time, and not in a time-management, organised way, but literally killing the time in between.

“Quiet quitting”, it’s the new way to frame being lazy and unmotivated as virtues 😂

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530055#Comment_119530055

Don’t think so, you have people in our office pre covid worked hard all day but would still be working at 8/9 at night and up next morning

Same people work hard all day but quit at the right time and just no work in evening etc

I noticed it started in covid when people would set up call at 8 in morning and then 6-7 in evening, during 1-2 wtc

People got pi**dd very quickly and then our work banned calls before 9 and after finish, also 1-2 was banned

whisky_galore

If you can wrap it up by 5, fair enough.

You can be the busy fool and be the bestest boy or girl in the company and get fcuk all thanks for it. No-one ever regrets that they didnt spend doing more unpaid overtime on their deathbed.

Jim_Hodge

Just applying a trendy title to something that has gone on since time immemorial. RTE just copied and pasted what was in the Irish Times during the week. There were always people who did the minimum necessary in a job and people who after a number of years in a job started freewheeling.

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530055#Comment_119530055

Exactly, just a bunch of lazy pricks who never did the hours they were supposed to do or the work they were supposed to but have now found a way to label it so they end up looking like some kind of hero. A proper good recession is needed to sort out the wheat from the chaff. The world is full of these tick tock merchants who see no issue with spending half their day on social media rather than doing the job they were paid to do.

SuperBowserWorld

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530055#Comment_119530055

Hmm I just went on a rant in my responses. I think it was the 9-5 mention from RTE, of all organisations, when that's a short work week for me.

But yep, what you said nails it for a lot of cases.

Mr.S

Why would you want your employees to work late / long working hours outside of their contracted hours?

As a manager, I would be mortified if my reports regularly worked late, or if I gave them work with clear instruction to be completed out of hours. The only exception to this if people genuinely want to work 'late' - I'll sometimes stop working early and finish up something later in the evening, but that's just because it suits the situation. Sure there are some examples with projects where you might work late, but it has to be the rare exception vs the norm.

If you want work to be done after 5PM, pay for it or hire more people. My employer pays me till 5PM, I am not going to work after that. Why would I?

Corporate America is far different than Europe imo. Our US based teams seem to work 24/7, join calls at all hours and get annoyed when Europe doesn't joins after 5PM. We have permanent half day Friday's and no meetings on a Friday at all unless urgent. Does wonders for work/life balance.

Obviously I have a good employer who puts emphasis on employees, there are a lot of bad employers out there who will grind everyone to the bone.

Crocodile Booze

It's always been around, known as work-to-rule.

Relax brah

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530082#Comment_119530082

We had something similar, half day Fridays - people very rarely use them now as they have too much on. Company isn’t exactly reinforcing the message either.

Fair play to your company that’s a very good idea but how heavily enforced is it?

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530131#Comment_119530131

That's not quite what work-to-rule is. Only working contracted hours is only a small part of it and it's an action taken in order to reduce output and efficiency, usually as a form if industrial action.

Mr.S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530055#Comment_119530055

Why shouldn't they only do their contracted hours though!? Do you really look that someone at finishes at their contracted time as lazy and unmotivated? Surely it's just the output of the work vs how many hours they work? If you regularly have to work late, there's something wrong with the workload / team and you are getting shafted.

I guess some industries are worse than others, eg Finance.

_Kaiser_

There's a thin line between being flexible and covering for headcount gaps/unwillingness to hire.

I've no problem with an extra half hour or so here and there, or staying late to help with something like an outage, but if it became a regular or expected thing that would be a very different story.

bucketybuck

I can see there being a rise in people who formerly would have done a bit extra while in office, but are now becoming more black and white about things due to being at home. Seems like a natural consequence of a rise in work from home.

But dickheads getting wet as they count the minutes until they can record themselves slamming the laptop shut at 5pm, all so that they can post it on social media and get the shallow kudos from other dickheads?

Thats not a problem, because that sort of moron never contributed much to begin with.

evolvingtipperary101

Quiet Quitting? Is that what they're calling the admin side of the HSE now?

naughtyboy

I have noticed last 3years but especially this year the graduates we are taking on are even more lazy and beyond useless than usual.

I have lost count of the times I have asked them to use their brains and get into it

We have let go 5 already. All 5 having honours degrees in accounting , giving out degrees now

Sunny Disposition

I’m in business a long time and have noticed a change coming pre pandemic, but it’s definitely sped up.

I think post recession people realised that no matter how hard they worked, their employer would let them go if there was a downturn again. Among younger people there was a bit of naïveté, unpaid overtime became quite common in some sectors, and people nearly looked down on those with better working conditions. For example it was v common to slag off the superior working conditions in the public sector, when the smart move was to join it.

Anyway, a few hundred thousand people lost their jobs in the recession and attitudes changed a bit. The hard truth began to be understood, employers, myself included, can’t and don’t reward loyalty or hard work to the extent it’s deserved.

People had definitely become a bit more sensible about how they worked pre pandemic, but it’s at another level now. Very hard get or keep staff and motivation isn’t a fraction of what it was in the Celtic Tiger years, or even three years ago.

While it doesn’t suit me, the reality is people have just copped on, they’re not going to put in more effort that what they are payed for. It’s 100% fair, but it’s a challenge for business, the culture is no longer as pro business. It’s more like what it was in the 70s and 80s than the early 2000s.

It’s playing out politically too, SF have more support than FF or FG.

joseywhales

I mean work to live not live to work right? I've had this attitude for my entire life, no regrets so far. Having said that I am motivated by personal relationships,not rules and if my manager asked me for emergency help at any time , including 2am as has happened, I help without hesitation because I want to help him, I couldn't care less about the company. In fairness he always gives me a day in lieu, if he calls me in like that, he's a good lad.

Former Former Former

Biting your nose to spite your face.

You might not want to put in the extra effort and that's fair enough.

When the promotions and pay raises are being dished out, you'll be at the back of the queue.

When you're in your 20s and early 30s, free of baggage and have the energy, that's the time to work your ass off and make a name for yourself.

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530781#Comment_119530781

It doesn't always work that way. I've always selected people for promotion on the basis of their efficiency and quality of work and never because they work longer. In fact I always was suspicious of the ability of someone who had to work more hours than anybody else, or than the job asked for.

gmisk

Quiet quitting is a nonsense term.

It is people working the hours they are meant to. Rightly so. There is more to life do your job, work hard when you are meant to (zero time personally for people who sit and literally watch the clock - but that is a different thing) and switch off when you are meant to be off. Pretty simple. Obviously if there is an occasional out of hours issue or an emergency I would happily help out even at weekends.

People working huge amounts of overtime is not a sign of hard work necessarily,if anything I think we should be aiming for a 4 day week.

Mrs OBumble

Many of ye appear to have missed the definition of quiet-quitting.

It's not about working hard during your contracted hours, and then stopping.

It is about doing the absolute minimum you can do without getting fired. So contracted hours, minimum outputs, no learning new skills. Just plodding as slowly as you can get away with.

So yeah, if you want to be an unpromotable dead-head, who has no colleagues who you can trade favours with ('cos you never do anything to help anyone else), then quiet-quit away.

Just keep in mind that technology keeps changing. The skills which are keeping you employed today will likely be obsolete in a few years time.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530082#Comment_119530082

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530209#Comment_119530209

I think you’ve both misconstrued the group of people being identified in the latest social media fad. They’re not the people who work hard or the people you know you can trust, or that team you put together that you know you have each other’s backs on a project, you know what’s going on because your team are comfortable with coming to you with anything and you’re able to plan accordingly. Just now I think of it, as I said in another thread yesterday - when they ask me to add them on Facebook, I know more than I want to know about them already. I know I can trust them, I don’t need to know anything else about them.

The types who are literally looking for praise for doing the most basic expectations of their employment, I wouldn’t want to deal with them in the first place. I don’t know how, or why they’re employed, but they’re clearly lacking in job satisfaction, it’s unrewarding for them, because they’re looking to be rewarded for achieving nothing. They always have a “sticking it to the man, company doesn’t care about you” mentality, whereas 99% in my experience, just don’t care about themselves.

They’re not the same as someone who is efficient, productive and capable of managing their time effectively so that I know I can rely on them, I don’t have to micro-manage them to the nth degree, wasting my own time that’s better spent on work projects I’m working on. It sounds like those employees engaging in this latest fad just want people to notice them, they want to be supervised and micro-managed so they can justify their bad attitude to the world of employment as an adult, where they are expected to be able to be trusted to manage themselves.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530865#Comment_119530865

Did you read the article?

cuttingtimber22

IMHO - employers have been taking the piss. Expectations of always on and blind loyalty. I don’t think the answer is downing tools at 5pm but neither is it acceptable that people work too 9pm and still have to catch up at the weekend with the implicit threat of no promotions or bonuses.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530873#Comment_119530873

I did read the article, and I read your post too. They’re not the same groups of people. The phenomenon being described in the article doesn’t apply to the group of people you’re talking about.

The group of people you’re talking about are hardly announcing it on social media when they’re arriving at their desks, when they’re taking lunch, when they’re finished for the day, as if the online world is their parent, and they’re in kindergarten.

It’s not a new fad that’s sweeping the globe, it’s just become more apparent due to social media, but it’s been observed across industries since industrialisation.