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House of the Dragon - GoT Prequel Series (non book reader)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,944 ✭✭✭corkie


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,115 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    That's interesting. Surely the dragon will fek off and look for him. Are they not sort of bonded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,873 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    You would think so. But maybe his niece will have a close connection that might work. Haven't really see it discussed anywhere. Most people are too concerned with Laenor's elopement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,352 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Laenor's dragon (Seasmoke) is an interesting point... in the lore

    the bond between a dragon and rider is made out to be for life (though I don't think we've seen this so far in the show?) so you'd expect to see his dragon follow him across the ocean (and obviously spoil the ruse) however, this ruse didn't exist in the source material so whether or not we'll see Seasmoke take another rider in the show remains to be seen

    (No plot spoilers but background info from the books, spoilering just in case)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭ILikeBoats


    Yeah, because you see Vhagar heading off after Aemond



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,875 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    The entire subject matter of the series is not a novel like AGOT. It’s a fictional diary/records type from multiple character sources. It’s unreliable, conflicting, gossip.

    I this case it says Qarl did it, as that’s the story people will tell after the incident.


    Im a bit confused how people didn’t recognise Laenor in the boat at the end. Shaven head sure. But he’s starting right at the camera.

    Good episode.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,875 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    You’d expect that. But would depend on the Dragon knowing he was still alive. I’m sure they’ll have a funeral for the crispy fella in the fireplace.

    Or maybe his dragon will refuse to take a rider. Like the big one in the last episode that’s riderless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,115 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I always assumed the bond was stronger than that.

    Could be remembering wrong but didn't Daenerys dragons just find her via mental tracking device a few times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,709 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Saw an interesting point online regarding the darkness of the episode that the scenes were actually shot during the day (going by images released before the show aired of Rhaenyra and Daemon talking on the beach), and then a filter applied afterwards in editing to have the scene set at night. It's what makes the scenes so dark and with no natural form of light (fire, candles etc).



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Some thoughts of mine.

    Ser Criston's character has had quite the downward spill in to bitterness and potential villany. Ten years is a long time but the difference between him then and now is jarring.

    I like watching a character change over time particularly if it's for the worse but he seems to have gone from good to not good and I don't notice shades of grey.

    Whereas Alicent evokes sympathy in me in the same way Cersei did. She is a reserved woman not prone to hysteria or great shows of emotion. Vulnerability is difficult for her. In the earlier episodes she let Rhaenyra see some of that. It required trust and openness, she did not receive the same in return.

    Also part of her may envied Rhaenyra's will and feistyness. Here was a girl who wouldn't be put in a box. Whereas Alicent was dutiful and did the bidding of others to the detriment of herself.

    I don't think there are many "good" characters so far and I like that. It makes it more real for me. Although Laenor seems like a decent skin and I do like Rhaenyra's little boys.

    Yer man Larys gives me the heebie-jeebies. He reminds me of Grima from LOTR. Shudder. Skulking about the place.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,115 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    We don't actually see much of "good guy" Cole. We all just assumed he was a good guy. My take on him is he is just a bit thick, easily led and not as virtuous as he likes to tell himself.

    I do feel sorry for Alicent but long before Rhaenyra was dishonest with her Alicent was seducing her father to become Queen behind her back.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That is very true about Criston. His character wasn't really explored all that much.

    I felt Alicent's seduction of Viserys was due to her father's influence. Do you remember her bleeding finger nails? She had them picked to shreds which indicated to me anxiety and stress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,115 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ya but only the viewer knows of her father's involvement. Rhaenyra never got to see that.

    Alicent could have always just ended the whole issue by agreeing to marry the kids Shelbyville style.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,188 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    It was blindingly obvious that those scenes were shot in full sunlight and then tinted. That was the only thing that bothered me about them, not the darkness itself.



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    Yes Rhaenyra may have felt that to be a betrayal. The hurt each other in different ways, one feeling an injustice done by the other.

    I don't think Alicent had what it took back then say no to her father. Now she is too deep in her pain and her fear of her children being murdered in order to protect Rhaenyra's claim.

    Still we all have choices and perhaps her actions speak to her true character. Maybe she didn't go against her father because she was ok enough with proceedings. Anxiety ridden but very willing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    That's true. I was also thinking why didn't Rhaenyra just abdicate her right to be queen and support her brother Aegon as rightful heir, would save her what looks like awful stress and misery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,115 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Maybe deep down she was keen like Corlys pretending he was doing it all to revenge an injustice to his wife when it was actually all about his ambition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,955 ✭✭✭Conall Cernach


    Possibly because he might see her and her children as a threat to his rule and have them killed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    True although as things stand her and her children's lives are in mortal danger. If she had abdicated ten years ago things might have settled down. Although that was probably make a boring tv show.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I can only speak for myself but I don't want to know what's in the books and it's in the thread title.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,115 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Rhaenyra like a lot of Targaryens are obsessed with the idea that they will sire the "prince that was promised" and also obsessed with the idea that they are the only good ruler in a den of snakes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,875 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I don’t know what’s in the book. I haven’t read it. But I’m aware it exists, as we all are.

    I was commenting on what happen in the episode.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭The Hound Gone Wild


    The book is written from the perspective of a maester. The maester uses unreliable source to piece together what happened. So book readers didn't know Harwin Strong was Rhaenrya's children's father as it's only hinted at.

    One of the sources is a jester at court and in proper George Martin style it's a midget with a gigantic penis :pac:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭twinex


    When you think about it though, fact is unreliable also.

    It's implied the father's DNA carries the gene for hair colour. They can't have it both ways, What with the king's son, Tennant Jr, blurting out that everyone knew just by looking at Rhaenyra's sons.

    Fast forward a couple of centuries.....wasn't John targaryans' mother of dark hair and father white?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,115 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    When is implied that the fathers gene carries the hair colour ?

    And who is Tennant Jr. ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭twinex


    Tennant Jr (David Tennant's son) is the king's son. Whatever his name was, escaped me at the time.

    Viserys' children all have their fathers hair colour, not their mothers but when the roles are reversed for Rhaenyra's children, it's treated with stunned realisation and that something was amiss with the family set-up as it were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,115 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I didn't realize that actor was a Tennant.

    The reason people are shocked that Rhaenyra's kids have black hair is because both parents are silvered haired Valyrian's so there should be no outcome other than silver haired kids.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 479 ✭✭twinex


    Yeah I accept that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    7: Oh my head. Oh it's just such a series of mindless events. I can't .. just.. awwweee..

    Like yeah, it makes sense... just what a fall these folks have brought upon themselves.

    It's all tension now. It's all ratcheted up.

    I'd say they can maybe get away with one more episode but there's gonna have to be some kind of release soon. A real big fight I imagine.

    Dragons are going to be the only show in town but I can't quite make out who's with who and how many dragons it'll be.

    Aemond is sure gonna bring the biggest gun .. and attitude to a fight



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭The Hound Gone Wild


    Keeping track of the dragons is a bit tricky. These are the ones mentioned and or have been seen in the show

    The Blacks:

    1. Rheanrya: Syrax
    2. Deamon: Caraxes
    3. Lucerys (Rheanrya's son): Areax
    4. Jacaerys (Rheanrya's son) : Vermax
    5. Rhaenys (Corley's Wife): Meleys
    6. Baela (Daemon's Daughter): Moondancer

    MIA: Seasmoke (Laenor's)

    The Greens:

    1. Aegon II: Sunfyre
    2. Aemond 'One Eye': Vhagar
    3. Helaena (Aegon's sister-wife): Dreamfyre


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,944 ✭✭✭corkie




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭wench


    I thought only one of Daemon's children had a dragon? Hence the row over Aemond taking her mother's dragon before she could claim it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,873 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    That's what I was thinking as well. And then assumed she'd get her uncles after he was "killed".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭The Hound Gone Wild


    Very sorry, you're right. If Rhaena gets a dragon or not hasn't appeared in the show yet! Sorry!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,709 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Okay, let me see if I got this right, because f*ck me these f*ckers need to start skipping past the A page in the big book of baby names.

    Aegon the Conqueror had the dream about the Song of Ice and Fire. Viserys' father, a different Aegon, affected the line of succession so Viserys would be King. Viserys has now told both Alicent and Rhaenyra about the dream and how Aegon is the Prince that was promised. Rhaenyra believes the Prince comes from her line, and has a son called Aegon. Alicent now believes it's meant to be her son Aegon, who is Viserys' son and should have been heir. In reality, the Aegon comes about 150 years and is Aegon who is actually Jon Snow, not to be confused with Rhaegar's other son, also Aegon, who was killed by The Mountain.

    Is that right? Because this family tree is pretty much just a palm tree with Aegon written on it about 18 times...

    Anyway, other than that I thought it was a great episode. I'm not sure if they should have had so many time skips in the first season, because every second episode there are new children, and new actors playing the older children. Aemond now looks about 10 years older than Aegon too. They also just casually got rid of Corhys and said he'd been gone for 6 years.

    Also, I mentioned before about the horrible accent of the woman Daemon claimed to be marrying earlier in the season. She had one line in this episode and I had to rewind it 5 times and then thankfully had a file with the subtitles on it so I could just read it instead. Christ....

    But, still a great episode. Paddy Considine was terrific, and Matt Smith is playing his role beautifully.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,709 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Also, is Viserys' son Aegon married to his sister Helaena? Is that who Rhaenyras' son was dancing with?



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    The first Targ who landed in Westeros was named Aegon. He's pretty much Jesus / Chris Columbus as far as names go.

    Having said that, Martin did also have a bit of fun later by naming characters as Elmo, Kermit and Oscar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭Evade


    Pretty good episode alright. It's kind of just getting going now with only two episodes left this season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,944 ✭✭✭corkie


    @Penn

    House of the Dragon: Why Alicent Misinterpreting Viserys’ Words Spells Doom for the Targaryens

    The Targaryens really shouldn’t name all their kids Aegon.

    When daughter Princess Rhaenyra visits his bedside on her arrival from Dragonstone, at first Viserys confuses her for his wife Alicent. At the end of the episode – after Viserys has exerted himself attending a supper he hoped would mend bridges between the family’s Green and Black factions – the King is attended by Alicent but mistakes her for Rhaenyra.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,873 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Yeah, Paddy Considine was outstanding in this episode. Really felt for his character.

    And Matt Smith has been amazing from the very start. Perfect character for him to play.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭ILikeBoats


    Aemond seems pretty badass.

    Aegon married his sister?

    What did daemons ex missus say at the end?

    Very much enjoyed that episode.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,709 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Daemon's ex: "It has been an eventful night at the castle, it seems."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,115 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The throne scene was really good. Smith really did look like a man in deep sorrow for his brother.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,115 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    He isn't saying either of the current Aegons are the prince and was just talking about Aegon I.

    It was really stupid to call John Snow Aegon. That wasn't GRRMs intention in the books.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,505 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    Every week I watch this and every week when I read the thread after I realise that I have missed the importance of various bits. I often mishear lines or don't understand what they are saying. Does anyone else find the sound bad or do I need to get my ears checked?! I think I need to start watching with subtitles! I can see me rewatching the whole lot again when it's finished to pick up on all the bits I missed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,918 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Not just you, have found some of the voices muffled.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    Yeah I had to watch with subtitles last night…although I thought that was just because I was stoned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,115 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I gave up on the TV and watch on the laptop with a set of good headphones. Not just for HoD but for a lot of shows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,509 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    I thought the opposite. I thought he looked like he was thinking - "Better get this f**ker up on that throne quickly so he can announce succession for Lucerys before he keels over"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,509 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    I don't watch anything now without subtitles, Maybe its old age, but I find it much less concentrating for me to read sub-titles that to properly hear whats going on.



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