Best D/N Tariffs

SD_DRACULA

Is the energia EV tariff still the best d/n meter out there?

Need to change in 2 days from BG.

Bonkers doesn't even show it for some reason.

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058257364/best-d-n-tariffs

Never did show it only shows the standard plans.

As for best, what's your annual day/night kwh, my spreadsheet is still fairly up to date (not sure about EI though, could still be the old prices, the standing charge for rural is brutal too)

With 20kwh of batteries you'll not be using much day rate.

What's bonkers spitting out the best for you?

fuse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119426074#Comment_119426074

Do you have a spreadsheet of tariffs available to share?

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119426276#Comment_119426276

Yeah.. but it's not pretty 😂 I'll get it later

SD_DRACULA

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119426074#Comment_119426074

These ones:

Not sure what my d/n is for the year since the meter only went in about 2 months ago and been going off solar fully since March.

Need the best night rate for topping up the batteries once the weather turns and I have a BEV coming soon as well.

graememk

If you can get your head around it, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ywEd_z6cSx_T3vO-7xVtwZ5Nta2kPpeQYhrVahKdUqc/

I am currently using "peak" to allow for the penalty for going over 2000kwh night in a billing cycle with energia. and its all rural standing charges, most rates are pulled from bonkers.

THE ALM

This is the current Energia EV plan.

Already with Energia and have just switched over. The day rate is slightly higher that what we are currently paying but the night rate is lower. Have new batteries on the way so plan on making the most of the night rate. Night rate will be beneficial also in winter months when charging the car.

No details on the FIT from them but hoping they follow other providers and also back date it.

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119431867#Comment_119431867

Ive just renewed mine too, It reads like its fixed, but cant be sure.

Last years one was fixed. my rate never changed. This one looks like it might be, we shall see.

THE ALM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119431900#Comment_119431900

was told it was fixed alright so we shall see indeed.

slave1

I'm on Energia EV too, expires end of the month and likely going with it again given we have two EVs to charge over Winter (currently using PV for a lot of the charging)

SD_DRACULA

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119431943#Comment_119431943

Just switched to the energia EV plan there and when I asked what's the story with the fixed rates they said no such thing on this tariff.

slave1

My plan is fixed, maybe they've changed it since I signed up

Jonathan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119433962#Comment_119433962

Yeah, changed after we signed up. I've got fixed 6.95c/kWh night rate until Dec 22. Will probably stick with the same plan on fixed discount unless any other better plans come along (unlikely).

I'm on that as well. Are they still doing fixed unit price ? I hope so, but probably doubtful?

fuse

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119429217#Comment_119429217

Thanks, looking at your spreadsheet, and specifically at the SSE 33% tariff...

We don't seem to get same values quoted. Maybe I'm not reading it correctly

You have Day: 23.23c Peak: 12.62c Night: 12.62c (peak doesn't look right?)

I get (bonkers) Day: 23.24c Peak: 24.79c Night: 17.63c

@SD_DRACULA above has same as you but different standing charge (349 vs 286.65) then for my results I get charge of 223.11?

graememk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119436047#Comment_119436047

"I am currently using "peak" to allow for the penalty for going over 2000kwh night in a billing cycle with energia. and its all rural standing charges, most rates are pulled from bonkers."

So peak isnt peak, I was working out a worst case for energia, now that i have 20kwh of batteries, and prob will use more than 2000kwh of night in a single bill.

The spreadsheet was originally used to try and compare smart tariff.. and ive long since meddled with it, Like i said it isn't pretty lol.

It currently only has D/N tariffs in it.

poker--addict

One big switch offer now seems to be the best for D/N?? Can’t see anything remotely close to 12 cent at night?

Jonathan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119748886#Comment_119748886

Can you post details of the tariff/discounts? Can't seem to view them without signing up.

buzz11

Its 33% discount off standard rates, so currently Day 34.72 Night 18.65 standing charge €369

poker--addict

Standing charge closer to 480 for us “rural” folk, despite being within metres of a huge urban area, but that’s another thread

this link should work

https://digital-au.s3.ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/obs-ie/web/BordGaisEnergy/2022/OCT+2022/OBS+Campaign+Rates+Oct+2022+-+ELEC.pdf

Jonathan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119749714#Comment_119749714

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119749722#Comment_119749722

Thanks. Energia EV tariff still cheaper then, even at current rates?

https://www.energia.ie/plans-and-switching-info/ev

poker--addict

Is it? Not so sure. The energia day rate at 47c (cries) and that is a big jump on the OBS BG day rate around 35cents. I am a high user. I don’t have solar long enough to know my night day ratio for power, it’s 50/50 pre solar. Assuming maybe it goes 35/65 (D/N) then they become very similar with OBS BG slightly cheaper. Plugging in more average user Kw numbers and they look basically the same.

yankinlk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119750080#Comment_119750080

Bad news.... in winter solar pv will not improve your day night ratio at all. Really only habit changes like loads shifting will improve your ratio.

If you had a battery that you charge at night... then the size of the battery you charge can directly offset that stubborn winter time day rate.... but don't expect pv to help.

Math is easy here... if i use 20 kwh per day... say its 50% load shifted by me directly changing my habits BEFORE i get solar pv.... then I have 10 kwh of day rate to worry about. If I use a 5kw battery in my system to charge at night... then it changes to 75% night rate.

The link in faq for estimating winter solar production will give you a very accurate monthly estimate of the remaining winter sun... and it won't be much.

Fantana2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119749898#Comment_119749898

For me with Electricity and Gas one big switch is better.

Jonathan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119750080#Comment_119750080

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119750645#Comment_119750645

To be fair, I was probably only considering my usage (about 85% night rate over the last year since PV + battery was installed). If you have a high base load + no battery the Energia EV tariff high usage day rate would kill any savings.

THE ALM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119749898#Comment_119749898

quite the jump on that rate from the movers at the beginning of August. Working through all the rates and permutations these days is like getting health insurance....

poker--addict

The thing with health insurance is you get different end products - maybe 100s maybe 1000s of variations.

This is far worse because at the end the product is the same. It is a service with day, day night, or day, night, high peak and low peak. So essentially 3 products for sale. At least when seeking electricity only. Yet its a mess.

SD_DRACULA

Just noticed this on my "fixed" rate EV plan with energia, (0.105 is the correct one)

🤬 chancers, upping the night rate on a fixed contract

Already on the phone with them.

Anyone else see this on their bills?

Fantana2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119756711#Comment_119756711

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058226818/2022-best-electricity-plan-for-new-ev-owners

Same thing happening here.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119756711#Comment_119756711

I got it too.

However. If you take the discount and pro rate it out, you'll see that the correct rate is applied. Or it was in my case. I had the same 36/10 rates displayed as you, but when you subtract the discount, i got charged 28/7, as per contract.

SD_DRACULA

Not really, the CR is 30% but on the wrong price of 0.175

They re-issued the bill with the correct amounts now so I suggest everyone who got this chancer of a bill get onto them.