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Is the importation from America of Identity politics a good thing?

  • 01-08-2022 8:06pm
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1

    It seems to have basically caused nothing but further division in America than existed beforehand.



  • no of course it isnt its an entirely egotistical shouting contest viewpoint based on historical events that even if you accepted the version offered wholesale over there wouldnt ever apply in the same way here

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭Mongfinder General

    Well - I go to work now and try to engage as little as possible with those who are different to me. Too much risk unless you’ve been friends with a person for a long time. Truly sad.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,370 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


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    This is appalling colonialist cultural appropriation. Identity politics in Ireland is imported from the UK.

  • Various aspects of BLM, feminism, race theorists, Incel associations, nationalist vs anti-nationalism, etc.. there's quite a list to choose from. Probably the easiest is to look at the social movements operating out of US university campuses, and how they express themselves.

  • Registered Users Posts: 32,635 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock

    As per usual: the conept is fine, but practioners taking things to fascistic extremes is what causes the problems.

    If this post contains the phrase "we're done here" it means I've proven what I set out to prove and I don't want to keep going round in circles.

    It's not about "winning" it's about illustrating a point.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,485 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    But it is such a small, tiny, miniscule, matter that it's hardly worth a mention and, in fact, the only time I see it mentioned is on here. In the real world, I have yet to see anyone talk about it in tangible terms and it doesn't have any real affect on anyone's lives.

    Most people are far too preoccupied with the real issues that face them to be worried about something that they'll only ever see on the internet.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl

    I wager that woman that got served Ribena instead of wine and did not like the looks of some statues would disagree. Odd you don't see her on RTE anymore. 🤔

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭donaghs

    You see it in workplace training now in Ireland. So, when people are expected to accept these ideas an nod along compliantly, in return for keeping their jobs, it has a real impact on their lives.

  • Registered Users Posts: 18,485 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH

    Whose "workplace"?

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭donaghs

    I won't ask people to name the places where they work. But I've seen it, and heard plenty of stories.

    Here's one group providing training:

    Looks like NUIG have built-into their core training program, for staff:

    " It is University policy that all members of UMT, Academic Management Teams, Heads of School, Chairs of Committees, members of interview and promotion boards/panels, and other senior decision-makers attend an unconscious bias training workshop and refresh their training annually."

    Their initial workshop is 3 hours long. I've never done more than an hour on this sort of stuff.

  • Registered Users Posts: 12,155 ✭✭✭✭

    No doubt that some Irish people regard American news as important if not more important than Irish news.

    Often on the RTE News website, there is nothing but American news.

    Irish news sites are daily telling us US abortion news, which has no relevance to us. Gun ownership is another click bait revenue generator for Irish websites. None of it has any relevance to us.

    Dangerously, people seem to want to fight these issues out here. It's weird.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL

    No it is not a good thing. You see it creeping in here though more and more cheer lead by American posters who are either on the hard left or the hard right.

  • Registered Users Posts: 32,635 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock

    If this post contains the phrase "we're done here" it means I've proven what I set out to prove and I don't want to keep going round in circles.

    It's not about "winning" it's about illustrating a point.

  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 9,440 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007

    Have a trip through Irish politics at least from the civil war onwards and try and apply the new terms to it…. the popularism of Mick Colins - listen to Dan Breen talking about him, the devotion to de Valera, the blue shirts, the haugheyites. We have our own version of pretty much everything.

    But it does not catch on in countries like Ireland or Switzerland because they both have sovereign peoples. And voters in such countries have a nasty habit of asking uncomfortable questions that cannot be answered by the peddlers of this nonsense.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Notmything

    Have we not always had a form of identity politics here?

    Republican v Unionist v Free Stater.

    We still identify parties based on whether they were pro or anti treaty, FG still get labelled as blue shirts.

    If anything we are making political identity even tighter, "landlord party", "scroungers party" etc. Or like in the US whether pro/anti abortion, divorce, equal rights, gay marriage.

  • Or to have a Black history month when Eastern Europeans are our largest group of immigrants. Why not a Polish month? A Lithuanian month? etc. There are more white foreigners in Ireland than Black foreigners... but it's vital that we have a Black history month.

  • Registered Users Posts: 78,847 ✭✭✭✭Overheal

    Someone lobbied RTE for it somewhere. You should lobby them for a Polish History Month. Be the change

  • Registered Users Posts: 6,501 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber

    Some of these posters will sometimes admit like above posts that there are more European immigrants here yet they will then later lament how if you look around any Irish town you can see the demographic shift, referring to black people.

    The very same posters will often post how black people are inherently violent and mysogonistic and their culture is one of drugs and violence.

    And they wonder why we need black history.

  • Registered Users Posts: 78,847 ✭✭✭✭Overheal

    It's like, I don't know why you need Reeling in the Years either, but you can watch Reeling in the Years to find out: usually a lot of mildly to bloody interesting stuff.

    For the same reason viewers flummoxed or furrowed as to why they are seeing a broadcast for Black History Month might take the opportunity to watch it and find out why it's a whole month and why Sharks only get 1 week on Discovery.

    Cue someone complaining the next time WW2 documentaries are in season

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