Went to a website saw all staff were female ...

Ray Palmer

So I got contacted by a recruitment agency. Not uncommon but the amount of these I get is ridiculous. Agencies I have been in touch with before seem to get all their junior staff to get more contacts so you can have 20 odd people from one agency trying to connect sometimes. I tend to ignore these as I am already connected with the senior reps who have the roles I am interested in and the junior staff tend to have only junior roles.

Anyway I get a message from an agency I haven't heard from before or don't remember. First thing annoys me it has ****PLEASE RESPOND*** in the title of the email. Anyway I look at their website and first thing they show is a picture of the staff and they are all female.

It struck me straight away and I just thought there must be something odd there if this is the situation. Think about some more and still think it is odd. Wounder if women see that the same way when they see all male employees but many businesses are male dominant . The thing is recruitment is certainly not gender specific and they are recruiting for roles that have certainly more men e.g. IT.

Maybe I am seeing what women see when looking at companies or maybe there is something odd about it?

Apiarist

Could be a stock photo. I mean unless it is a law or advertising firm, or any other business that sells an image, what's the point of showing real photos of staff? People in IT generally are famous for their relaxed clothing attitude. A photo of a group of IT professionals taken from their desk would not look as a coherent, professional image. Someone would be in shorts, someone else in a suit, another in a humorous t-shirt.

What website are you talking about anyway?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058256365/went-to-a-website-saw-all-staff-were-female

The thing is recruitment is certainly not gender specific

True but human resources/talent management is heavily populated by women, and that ties into recruitment. Perhaps they all started the company together? (Although I've known many guys in recruitment companies..)

There have been a number of female only companies out there. It's not sexist or discriminatory when women want such a space.

Brid Hegarty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119395379#Comment_119395379

The more involved in the job, the more preoccupied people are. Since there's nothing really involved in HR/recruitment work, they're more inclined to pay attention to their clothing.

Yeah, HR are all female. I still can't get my head around how they get all that money. There should be a segment on Joe Duffy to complain about this.

I still remember when I was fresh out of college, thinking that the recruitment company was the actual company the job was with. You'd be on the phone to someone talking the talk, mentioning all the scientific terms in the job spec until you'd ask a question and then they'd basically say "I know nothing, I'm just a secretary". Then I'd feel equally as stupid for thinking that they were the actual company.

I had one twat on to me one day talking about a great opportunity in a rapidly growing company, until eventually it was revealed to be some bloody company I worked for part time when I was a teenager.

For Forks Sake

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gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119395885#Comment_119395885

Female only companies is not sexist?

I do enjoy your contributions on this site, and generally agree, but this is rubbish.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396237#Comment_119396237

It's the world we live in. The same way that there are educational sponsorships exclusively for women based entirely on their gender. Or funding allocated to female entrepreneurs based entirely on their gender, which are not available for men.

My comment had a wee bit of sarcasm in it.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396733#Comment_119396733

Long day. Should have spotted it.

Myself being male I have seen such like. It generally doesn't bother me.

But going into mammy mode, occasionally it worries me about my 3 boys.

It's a bit like principal skinner. Am I wrong? No, it's the kids.

I don't think I'm too far out of touch, but gradually I'm wondering.

Jequ0n

The annoying subject of the email is what rightly annoyed you.

I wouldn’t pay too much attention to the gender of their customer facing staff. It might even benefit you.

gameoverdude

I think a good mix of sexes is great. My previous role was predominantly male. My new role would be 30/70 towards female.

Works grand as we're mostly older.

But when graduates or work experience people come in, I want to strangle them. I known auld man shakes fist at cloud.

For the most part they're infuriating.

bucketybuck

Because women are less likely to be involved in heavy manual labour they inevitably have less job opportunities open to them, especially for younger girls at the entry level.

Recruitment is a **** job in a **** industry, if you had a choice you wouldn't do it. If you have the choice to go stacking bricks or driving a forklift instead then thats what any sensible lad will do.

Young girls have less choices, so are more likely to find themselves in **** jobs like recruitment. Thats why you see so many more of them in that industry.

There is little more to it than that, mostly just young girls trying to get a start somewhere.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Was there a kitchen in the background?

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396885#Comment_119396885

Seriously. Manual labour. Stacking bricks. Good luck to ya when you're 40 let alone 50.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396998#Comment_119396998

Even lads know that's a fools game. Any of the good tradesman get out of the manual game age 40 to focus on the office side of things.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396885#Comment_119396885

Because women are less likely to be involved in heavy manual labour they inevitably have less job opportunities open to them, especially for younger girls at the entry level.

Seriously? Cause I'd say the wide range of traditional roles which favour women easily make up any difference there.. from child care, nursing, general cooking roles, etc.

Recruitment is a **** job in a **** industry, if you had a choice you wouldn't do it. If you have the choice to go stacking bricks or driving a forklift instead then thats what any sensible lad will do.

Recruitment is essentially sales... and depending on the company you work for, you can do very well for yourself. Far better than someone busting their balls on a construction site competing with others. I'd say a recruiter at 50 is still competitive against a 20 year old, whereas, in construction... you're falling behind rather quickly unless you've managed to break into management or a technical role.

Young girls have less choices, so are more likely to find themselves in **** jobs like recruitment. Thats why you see so many more of them in that industry.

Rubbish. Young girls have the same options that young boys do. The choice is there.

Hell, a woman can enter the building trade if she wishes (I know two women who entered through engineering, and operate the building sites now as project managers).

You see more women in recruitment or HR because of the focus on "soft skills" which is seen as something that women are more suitable towards. No different from more women being primary school teachers, in child care, customer service, or dozens of professions that involve dealing with people. Gender based stereotypes abound when it comes to skills, and career suitability.

In Asia, you'll often find women working alongside men on construction sites engaging in the same physical labour. The difference is social conditioning.

bucketybuck

Sure lads. Young girls in their early 20's with no qualifications are just flooding into garages and building sites.

They don't at all take sales or admin roles in places like call centres or recruitment agencies as an alternative.

Whether construction is a good career or not has **** all to do with it, I am talking young people with little experience or qualifications and where they tend to gravitate to.

But sure, whatever, you see a lot of girls in their twenties working in recruitment because it is what they dreamed about as kids. Dead on.

spontindeed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058256365/went-to-a-website-saw-all-staff-were-female

I noticed the same with a lot of HR administrators of multinational corporations here also - the HR profession has become very feminized, just like the teaching profession. I believe our "woke" justice minister Helen McEntee has a deep seated political agenda to have this whole gender ideology on the workplace. All jobs should be based on merit, not gender. Take my advice: avoid recruitment agencies and just apply directly to employers because a lot of these recruitment agencies also advertise fake job adverts in order to hoover up as many CV's as they can because this data is really valuable to them.

As a 33 year old guy, I'd also advise you to avoid applying to any employer who has a feminized workforce because usually it's a telltale sign that career progression would be held back by this gender ideology. Also, I heard (from a male recruitment manager I know) that companies are increasingly under pressure to pay Men less than Women and to no longer offer permanent contracts. Never accept a job offer like that. That's why it's good to ask fellow male employees more about their salary/wages to find out if the company is offering you a poor starting point. Men will usually tell you a lot more than Women do. Even if you've already signed an employment contract and find out that you're being paid less than others, just leave your job right away. I did this recently and the company was fuming I didn't give them any notice!! But it was their fault because I found out they offered me a contract that was €5,000 less than another colleague with similar qualifications. They scrambled to fill my vacated post which probably cost the company a little more than could've offered me in the first place...

Purple Mountain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119396237#Comment_119396237

Thinly veiled "I'm an important career man" thread 🤭

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119397379#Comment_119397379

Whether construction is a good career or not has **** all to do with it, I am talking young people with little experience or qualifications and where they tend to gravitate to.

And girls have a range of traditional options which aren't generally as accepting of male candidates, and would easily make up the difference in losing out on construction jobs..

Little point continuing with this if you're going to ignore that.

Why don't guys apply for recruitment/HR roles? Awful area to work in though.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119395379#Comment_119395379

Certainly not a stock photo. I would rather not specify the company as certain people are nutters and also don't want to drive views to their site.

I am fully aware that certain roles are dominated by women such as HR and recruitment but it is odd to see an entire small company filled with women. There is a whole other conversation about recruitment agencies having no idea about the jobs they are recruiting for. Recruitment agents have their place but generally are kind or parasites. Contract work in particular is difficult to get without an agent.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119398046#Comment_119398046

The point is there are males in these jobs so it is odd to see a company where there are none. Many of the big recruitment agencies were/are own and set-up by men.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119398054#Comment_119398054

It would be odd to see a large company that was entirely one sex.

But quite normal to see it in a small niche industry company.

pappyodaniel

I saw a female binman yesterday.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119398093#Comment_119398093

Recruitment is not a niche industry and roughly 10 staff by the looks of it. Been dealing with agencies for decades and it is noticeably odd to have all female staff.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058256365/went-to-a-website-saw-all-staff-were-female

It is odd, you should get in contact with them over the phone and ask why are there no men working there.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119398124#Comment_119398124

Seriously? That'd be a rarer spotted female binmanperson. Get a photo next time.

Can't see why a woman can't do the bins at all, but they just don't seem to be so keen on that line of work.

Badly Drunk Boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119398124#Comment_119398124

I know a girl who was a tiler but moved on to drive a bin lorry. Recently, she has started doing truck deliveries to shops.

Purple Mountain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119398990#Comment_119398990

Fair play to her

Badly Drunk Boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119399663#Comment_119399663

Indeed! I saw her tiling work before, and it was excellent!

There are workplaces where there are only men - certain jobs draw only men or only women (and yes I know, men are overwhelmingly more likely to do the more difficult, physical jobs). I wouldn't be looking for offence in it.

Men don't seem to be as interested in working in recruitment.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119399865#Comment_119399865

It's not that I take offense. It is decidedly odd and there are a lot of men in recruitment. Recruitment can be highly paid due to the commissions and is very competitive. It is always helpful when the recruiter knows what they are talking about and better when they have worked in the industry they recruit for. For all the talk of toxic masculinity it always strikes me funny that toxic femininity is also men being dominant.

Worked beside a lot of different industries and there are a lot of women who lay claim to an area in a company and exclude men from there little kingdoms but often ignored. People have already pointed to HR departments as an example

pappyodaniel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119398990#Comment_119398990

Could be her. She was driving the lorry and wearing a high vis. Respect to her. The feminists only look at the more glamorous male dominated jobs. Doing the bins ain't too glamorous but it does pay quite well.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400724#Comment_119400724

Doing the bins does not pay well.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119401262#Comment_119401262

Actually a decent wage.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119401552#Comment_119401552

Like what exactly?

The City Bin Company were advising for people in June for 12 euro per hour.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119401559#Comment_119401559

Yes?

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119401699#Comment_119401699

That's not a decent wage. Its not even the living wage.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119401724#Comment_119401724

What would you consider the living wage. Serious question. Multitude of things to take into account of course.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119401748#Comment_119401748

Is the living wage not in the region of 12.90 an hour?

I would not describe 12 an hour as a decent wage and surprised to see it described here as good money.

Still stihl waters 3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119400724#Comment_119400724

So she's truck driver working for a recycling company, not exactly a binman if she's not out hooking on bins

Still stihl waters 3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119401559#Comment_119401559

Drivers would be on more than 12 an hour, the ad you saw was probably for the binmen and not for drivers, but I could be wrong but I'd be very surprised

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119401767#Comment_119401767

Depends on which part of the country. What value add skills do they have? Do they have a family? Very nuanced.

Economics101

I can understand why we have a minimum wage: to prevent exploitation of vulnerable people. A "decent wage" is a purely subjective concept. I have a real problem with the "living wage" idea. Apparently it's supposed to be a wage that enables one to live a reasonable life. Problem is (i) it is sometimes specified as €x per hour, no mention of how many hours worked; (ii) is it the same for a single person with no dependants, a married person with 3 kids, someone living rent-free at parents' home, someone paying a grand a month for housing, etc etc.? A living wage depends on so many variables....

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119401780#Comment_119401780

Yes, was definitely for bin men/women not drivers, but am surprised people here think 12 an hour is a decent wage, irrespective of anyone's circumstances.

gameoverdude

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119401847#Comment_119401847

Anewme. I'll be honest that I was surprised at the low wages (I'm presuming you were referring to myself). Tough job, critical job.

When I said tough, I mean physically tough, out in all weather conditions and I'm sure they have targets.

But the criteria for a living wage has to be taken into consideration. A person living in the backend of no where with their parents should be grand. Someone living in a city with a family, not so much.

I don't agree with just upping wages cause... People need to help themselves to get better wages. I realise that's particular circumstances dependent.

BaywatchHQ

My general rule is to stay away from any company where I see their staff using gender pronouns like she/her. Recently I was looking to purchase some custom paper concert tickets for a concert I am going to and I found a seller on Etsy.com that sold some nice tickets. I went on to her Twitter page and of course she was spouting that she/her virtue signal and so I just simply decided that I wasn't going to give a person like that my money.

BaywatchHQ

Also I have dealt a lot with recruitment agencies and most I have seen are women. They have no idea what a low tier man has to go go through in the work place. Even my "employment support worker" who I was assigned to from the dole is a female. What is it with females in job support roles? If they lived a week in the life of a low tier man like me they would be on suicide watch.

Fr Tod Umptious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119406242#Comment_119406242

Really are making a fool of yourself there not willing to buy something off someone on the internet just because they use "she/her" or whatever on their profile.

Does it really matter that much to you?

Would you be willing to pay more/buy an inferior product/get a inferior service just because of what some has on their profile name?

Best of luck trying to find a job via LinkedIn or anything like that.

A lot of people use pronouns on that and it's not all virtue signaling.

When dealing with multiple cultures knowing if someone is male or female when corresponding with them is handy, thus people use them on their profile.

How I I to know if Konto Obogola or Halif Al Bazzar is male or female?