Do you want a general election now?

skimpydoo

Michael Martin said today when talking about the MNOC that the Irish public don't want a general election now. Is he right or wrong? Let's see.

Ouch Chinese Byrne

I don’t mind If there is an election. I’d still be voting for FG or FF.

No I don't want a general election now.

We're coming into the summer holidays. The TDs aren't going to vote themselves into oblivion at this time of year.

Would be hilarious if they did it accidentally though.

hunter2000

Possibly🤔 can it do the county any harm 😉 we see how tomorrow goes 🤔

Galwayguy35

Yes I want a general election now.

Yeah I do, but not because I want SF to get in.

I just want to see the Greens crash and burn.

Will_I_Amnt

No I don't want a general election now.

What would be the poin? SF aren't going to get an overall majority and no other party is going to go into coalition with them.

You'll still have Taoiseach Martin or Varadkar (quite possibly both, in turn, again) at the end of it - with a similar cabinet.

Real Donald Trump

General election now or not won't make much difference, it will always boil down to voting between a douche and turd. South park nailed it years ago.

WJL

No. Things are unstable enough without all the crap of forming a new government. I don't think a Sinn Fein led government will do any better. Their time will come, but not now.

L1011

I would like the next election to not be in mid-winter for once; but it doesn't need to be now.

atticu

I could not be bothered if there was or wasn’t an election before the end of the year.

SF would dread an election now. Too many issues to be dealt with.

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119323399#Comment_119323399

True but it might soften SF's cough

No I don't want a general election now.

It doesn't make a difference.

FF and FG are indistinguishable from one another.

Sinn Fein, for all their talk, would just become a version of it once they realise that populism doesn't translate into legislation.

As a relatively irrelevant country on the world stage, much like New Zealand or Belgium, it doesn't matter whose in charge because they're all cut from the same cloth - though they pretend their differences are greater than they actually are in reality.

No I don't want a general election now.

I don't think the time is right. To much unstability with everything going on.

No I don't want a general election now.

No, because the Greens still have more environmental legislative work to do and also I don't want to see the fustercluck that will be SF in govt

But maybe we'll see the greens in govt with SF, that would be interesting seeing as there are so many anti-science loopers in SF

No I don't want a general election now.

Let FFG dig their own grave a little deeper.

Dempo1

No I don't want a general election now.

I'm thorn on this, At this stage something needs to change, it seems not a day goes by with more ineptitude from this Government.

I definitely not ever be voting FFGG again, an absolute shambles they made of things, what's done it for me is the epic Virtue Signalling since last March and quite shocking Hypocrisy and blatant inequality at play whilst the plight of those who actually vote governments in, shamelessly ignored. A mysterious Magic money Tree thats shaken when it suits this appalling government.

I've voted no, not because I don't want this shower to be in government much longer, just concerned about the uncertainty with an already chaotic situation.

This government more concerned about virtue signalling around Europe and couldn't give a Toss about its own people, its shocking and utterly depressing.

skimpydoo

Yes I want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119323543#Comment_119323543

I voted yes but I can see why you voted no. The more FFG are in government the more votes they will loose at the next election.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119323399#Comment_119323399

SF aren't going to get an overall majority and no other party is going to go into coalition with them.

Says who?

https://www.newstalk.com/news/ge2020-social-democrats-greens-refuse-rule-coalition-sinn-fein-955141

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/ff-tds-would-not-exclude-sinn-fein-coalition-after-next-election-1.4478483

Dempo1

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119323557#Comment_119323557

It's a tough one, I'm actually disgusted by this government, almost angered by it, I'll have my popcorn out tomorrow, obviously MONC won't pass but it has focussed minds and it wi be a heated debate 😉

No I don't want a general election now.

No because the best of a very bad bunch are in there and there is no credible alternative at this time.

skimpydoo

Yes I want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119323572#Comment_119323572

MONC won't pass but we will know what independent's don't deserve a vote in the next election.

brokenangel

No I don't want a general election now.

For those thinking of an election now, just have a look at what SF proposal are in their alternative budget

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119323584#Comment_119323584

Very, very few independents are ever worth a vote. You're electing someone to do national work, but an independent almost always only cares about their own patch.

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119323592#Comment_119323592

I was curious and holy cow lol

Some real corkers in there but the best one has to be the LPT phase out. It was a stupid populist decision to get rid of it and took decades to bring it back in and they want to do another stupid populist move by abandoning it again. Bonkers

brokenangel

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119323674#Comment_119323674

The LPT is also a tax break for the rich, no matter how much money you funnel out of ireland and dodge taxes, if you have a big Mansion then you pay tax on it and everyone in the community benefits from it

Its the most ridiculous, sorry one of the most ridiculous proposals I have ever seen.

The other alarming one is below

Reduce tax subsidies to gold plated pensions by reducing the Standard Fund Threshold to €1.5 million and lowering the earnings contributions cap for allowable reliefs to €60,000 - €387 million

brokenangel

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119323599#Comment_119323599

The majority of independents are interested in lining their own pockets, the likes of the boyos in Kerry are just funnelling money out of the government and into their own pockets

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119323735#Comment_119323735

I don't think you meant to say tax break ;)

gmisk

No I don't want a general election now.

No strong feelings...but I voted no.....would it make much difference? Let this coalition run its course and we will see.

Let's see sinn Fein put their money where their mouth is so to speak.

Oh plus the flyers...feck off with them! I don't need any more rubbish in my green bin.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119323880#Comment_119323880

I imagine they mean getting rid of it is a tax break for the rich. Which it is

Ireland has the only socialists in Europe that are against taxing wealth and excessive consumption.

StupidLikeAFox

Do you remember that time Belgium couldn't form a government for around a year and thing went fine, can we vote for something like that? A cooling off period of some sort, like when a farmer leaves a field empty for a year, every politician goes into their own personal lockdown

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119323941#Comment_119323941

The old government continues in such a situation. It doesn't change anything.

We had a few weeks in 2016 and about 4 months in 2020 of that.

brokenangel

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119323941#Comment_119323941

Fairly standard for SF, they done it for 3 years in the North and I don't think currently they have managed to form an assembly.

While SF was taking the great stand in the North all the politicians sat at home on full wages, so do you want a load of TD's been fully paid sitting at home for 12 months?

Labaik

Yes I want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119323171#Comment_119323171

An unprecedented housing crisis, FG have been in government for the last decade and more and still cannot seem to fix this issue. I cannot get my head around any Irish citizen voting in these two parties in the next election, its time somebody else had a go at trying to fix the real issues in the country which is a housing crisis never seen before and a health service not fit for purpose.

spontindeed

Yes I want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058254033/do-you-want-a-general-election-now

Yes. I hear from a few constituents of Helen McEntee 's illegal-migrant amnesty to nearly 20,000 migrants and it's causing big tension. One constituent I spoke to said it's worth crashing the economy if it means getting them out. I think he was referring to the opposition. This person has traditionally voted FG all his life but not anymore. Meath East.

Yurt2

I'd say yes, but I could do without a Fine Gael manifesto coming through my letterbox that was written by Uber, Air Bnb and Jeff Bezos.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119323399#Comment_119323399

FF would completely cut a deal with SF now. Ditto Labour, SDs, Greens, alphabet soups etc. The notion that no-one wants to take Mary Lou out to dinner is from the FG electioneering conclave. It doesn't stand up to reality.

Montage of Feck

No I don't want a general election now.

So it's choice between more of the same limp government or Venezuela? Not a choice that fills me with any excitement, so it's a case of better the devil you know for me.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119324130#Comment_119324130

Labour is the only one of those there is serious doubt over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtJVwh2s-Ig

But I'm pretty sure if their votes were needed to form a 'broad left' government after the next election, Ivana would have to step up...

antimatterx

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119323592#Comment_119323592

SF said in that Budget document that their priority is to build 20K homes a year. That's no going to fix anything, we're build what, 35K anyway at the moment.

I know this government isn't great, but people need to read what they're voting for (they won't).

brokenangel

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119324546#Comment_119324546

People don't read. If any of them read what SF actual plan they would lose loads of votes, instead they listen to little video SF release which they never actual talk about what they would do, it's always a bunch of lies about what someone else is doing.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119323962#Comment_119323962

You are aware that the current government are trying to fix the issue but building houses take time. Also if you are looking at SF to fix the issue, they ran DCC from 2014 - 2019. They used to have a nice announcement letter on the SF website saying they are running DCC and they plant to build houses while running it, what followed was the lowest number of houses built in that period. The announcement was deleted after it was shared around the web as it was a little embarrassing for SF

Since then SF have rejected as many housing project as possible to force the problem to get worse. If all the parties came together to resolve the issue, like the current government asked, we would be in a lot better position. But no SF to this day continue to stop projects and of they can't stop them slow them down.

SF don't give a sh**e about the people stuck in the housing crisis, they are just numbers to them. They would be more than happy if the entire country had no house at the moment.

So when you say " I cannot get my head around any Irish citizen voting in these two parties in the next election" you don't know what is currently going on and also you don't seem to understand the SF alternatives budgets are.

Galwayguy35

Yes I want a general election now.

An election would also put the spotlight on the Soc Dems, the 2 old queens refused to go into Government last time but have spent the last 2 years crowing from the opposition side about this that and the other.

Although they are way too leftie lib for me they have some capable TDs like Holly Cairns, its hard to see where this party will go though.

Will they end up like Labour which seems to be doomed at this stage or manage to gain a few more seats.

brokenangel

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119324955#Comment_119324955

A lot of these people never want to and never will go into government. It is easier to sit on the sideline and tell everyone how wrong the other person is doing it.

Itssoeasy

No I don't want a general election now.

No and neither do the political parties either.

No I don't want a general election now.

i wonder is there any analysis of what fixing housing would actually look like and how many votes there would be for the likely actual outcomes.

how many homeowners vote vs dont, how strong is a collective "no council tenants beside me thanks" vote in an area, etc

and that's if anyone were fool enough to think SF could solve it, or wanted to

FG clearly dont want to. i could argue with anyone that wanted them out based on that alone

FF want to and probably could, the usual disastrous way- the last few times they went on building sprees can anyone remember how it ended?

edit: i should allow for the people who would buy their own homes but simply cannot afford it. FG programmes have aimed squarely at those but its hasnt benefited enough people.

LeeroyJ.

No I don't want a general election now.

I'd want an SF lead government, but to give them a fair shot at delivering some of their programme, I think it would be smart to wait until the end of this term. Record inflation, housing crisis, cost of living crisis, War in Europe and Covid about to take off again are probably not the best time for a new government.

brokenangel

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119324975#Comment_119324975

SF had the option last time but seen covid coming and ran for the hills. They waited till the other parties came together and then suddenly appeared again to tell everyone they had been blocked. Even PBP released a online letter asking why they couldn't get in contact with them. Remember they met with the Greens first

At the moment nothing is as bad as covid was going to be, as we seen even from SF in opposition they hadn't a clue and up the North it was a disaster. Who can forget Mary Lou shouting about "opening the pubs"

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119324974#Comment_119324974

The only way to settle the market is supply. The built up demand cannot be resolved without building. The problem is we should be just building apartment blocks in cities like Dublin. They make sense especially when we have a poor public transport system

Yet look at Dundrum and they want a few floors of apartments and the locals are rejecting because the sun light might not hit their house in the morning. People describing apartments as ghetto's etc. The biggest problem in Ireland is the local, once they have their own house they don't give a shite about anyone else and block every building as possible. Of course with help a lot of the time with a political party like SF

It is funny the same people are then out complaining when little jonnie can't buy a 4 bed semi in the area.

LeeroyJ.

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119323962#Comment_119323962

You'd be surprised by the amount of 'I'm alright, jack' people there are here. Anecdotally, a lot of my colleagues from the posher parts of Dublin are completely oblivious to the state of housing and health when the discussions come up during after work pints.

antimatterx

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119324974#Comment_119324974

Not A FF fan, but everyone had houses last time they went on a building spree. Knowing what happened, I'd still take it again.

No I don't want a general election now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119325044#Comment_119325044

what houses, where, how were they to live in and what are they like now?

i dunno. no right answers to the housing crisis but a FF solution always sells ten tomorrows for a vote today.

Ham_Sandwich

Yes I want a general election now.

yes its time for Sinn Fein to take a run at things well be looked after if we sort them out with the dail

Cluedo Monopoly

No I don't want a general election now.

No way Jose. And I don't expect one.