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Why is space for cars seen as sacrosanct?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 622 ✭✭✭ galvo_clare


    I think you mean Shannon, which was built up around the airport.



  • Registered Users Posts: 275 ✭✭ tomfoolery60



    They are a good deal taller even if not much wider or longer, making them more dangerous/lethal to pedestrians (especially children). They are also heavier, when combined with the height (less aerodynamic) this makes them less fuel efficient.



  • Registered Users Posts: 651 ✭✭✭ Burt Renaults


    That's a predictable and stupid post. You can dislike obnoxious, over-sized cars and the negative effect they have on public spaces, and the harm they cause to vulnerable road users, without having a chip on your shoulder.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭ bladespin


    Really - you should tell that to mine, I'm getting better MPG (measured) from it that the Passat I had before it, height difference is a matter of a few inches, not a great deal IMO, we're not talking 4x4 here, the likes of the Qashqai's not much taller than a saloon.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,867 ✭✭✭✭ cnocbui


    "Tax take from motorists soars to over €5.4bn – McGrath

    27 February 2017"

    That's 8.2% of the non motorist based revenue in that year. And given it's generally rising continually, it's probably closer to 10% of government revenue currently.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,526 ✭✭✭✭ Zebra3




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭ bladespin


    But they're not really, think that's the problem here, the motorist isn't the massive polluter here that they're being made out to be, there are far bigger contributors both at home and especially abroad but that doesn't fit the narrative.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,867 ✭✭✭✭ cnocbui


    People going to and from work, taking kids to school, delivering goods to shops for moron greenies to buy. Anything beyond a stone age hunter gatherer existence involves altering the environment, and even then, hunter gatherers are now thought to have radically altered large areas of land through the use of fire.

    Let me guess, you think everyone should drive an EV as they are all powered by CO2 free energy. As of a minute ago:

    That's 1.87% of electricity being generated from wind, so your non polluting EV is being powered by fossil fuels.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭ bladespin


    Absolutely, a designed housing shortage forcing people to commute further and further every year, public transport that isn't fit for purpose outside the cities combined with fashion politicing got us here, not the motorist - not even the guy in the V8 Range Rover the greenies have such a horn for.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 59,844 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    There are hundreds of thousands of people who live within commutable distances of work, walkable/cyclable distances of schools and so on and yet drive.

    There are tens of thousands of people who own SUV or Crossover vehicles and never use them for their alleged purpose.

    The people who need to be encouraged (carrot - pricing, capacity, service levels etc) and maybe eventually forced (congestion charges - I'm against ULEZ setups as they only cause new cars to be bought) are those in those categories, not those that live beyond services. But most of those that live fully beyond services are there by choice - one off builds.


    The "but but but but but" defences against any changes always come from those who are not the random group of people they have pulled in as a human shield. Not disabled, not elderly, not infirm, not living in an unserved area (by anything but their own choice), not anything but a driver that wants to keep driving unrestricted despite that not being sustainable - for physical space reasons if nothing else.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,189 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users Posts: 8,448 ✭✭✭ John_Rambo


    Where is that graph from?

    Does it mean we need to build more wind turbines?



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 59,844 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    Eirgrid dashboard. Its not very windy right now (or last night when that was posted) so more onshore turbines won't do bugger all for that figure.

    Offshore wind, solar (it is quite sunny right now), micro hydro, pumped storage, hydrogen cycling (electrolyse when there's excess wind and use when there isn't) are what's needed to reduce gas usage for days when its calm on land.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,448 ✭✭✭ John_Rambo


    Ah, cool. Thanks for the link. I'll have to look at it when the wind is honking in the winter when we need more power!



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 59,844 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    Peak wind generation was 4.5GW - and there were almost certainly turbines braked to stop damage or because the grid couldn't actually export any more power at the time.

    Right this instant its 19MW, or 1/236th of peak. That's the variation possible.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,448 ✭✭✭ John_Rambo


    Right, that's really interesting. Obviously many more turbines needed and some way of storing the power.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 41,758 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    some way of storing the power.

    this is key; we could have all the wind turbines in the world, but on a calm day the entire power generation for the country has to come from non-wind sources, which means we need generating power which in one sense makes the wind redundant.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,867 ✭✭✭✭ cnocbui


    Oh cool, wait till the wind is honking in winter:

    20-1-22

    One of the basic underlying reasons for why gas and energy prices have been so high this year is because multiple countries in Europe 'thought' the wind would be honking this winter, and becuase lots of additional wind generation had come on stream ealier in the year, they thought the extra capacity and piles of expected wind meant they didn't need to buy and stockpile that villified gas stuff during the summer, when prices are cheaper, like they normally would. Then the wind didn't show up and those whirly things were doing a whole lot of nothing for considerable periods this winter - all over Europe - so suddenly everyone needed a lot of gas quick as they didn't have it stockpiled.

    All made worse by the Germans who appear to have been bribed by Gazprom who funded the anti-nuclear movement which lead to that daft git Merkel shutting down perfectly good nuclear power stations, meaning those uber energy hogs had their greedy snouts buried in the gas market even more than usual.

    The French also had an unfortunate discovery of some weld repairs needed to several of their nukes - after 20-30 years of near continous use - bit like my cars shock absorbers, and had to offline those, meaning more gas needed there too.

    Not helped by the Russian Gazprom deliberately running down it's european gas storage so they could enact their Nazi driven invasion of Ukraine.

    An absolute perfect storm of stupidity, skulduggery, evil and unfortunate circumstance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,867 ✭✭✭✭ cnocbui


    So you thought your habit of thinking less should be generalised.

    You just stick to your limited cerebral activity and I'll stick to driving when I need to.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,189 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    If people only drove when they needed to, we'd be in a much better position. Look at the Census data showing the high number of short journeys, less than 4km, that are driven, when they could be easily walked or cycled.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 32,519 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Seth Brundle


    Or, if we had a big electric fan positioned in front of each turbine blowing air towards the turbine - problem solved!



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭ bladespin


    The issue is that they’re already paying, a modern suv is as efficient as any other regular car, fuel and motor tax already look after that, singling them out is just finger pointing from someone who either doesn’t know what they’re talking about or has a chip on their shoulder.

    Yes, they are many who have them and could choose public transport but for their own reasons (there are several legitimate) don’t it there’s also hundreds of thousands who don’t have any viable alternative, punishing them for not being able to live in a city or having needs other than your own is ridiculous.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 41,758 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    If you've two cars based on the same chassis and drivetrain, the 'SUV' body will require more fuel to push through the air.



  • Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭ JayPS 2288


    Neither of my local supermarkets (which have been there for years so not subject to the new planning laws) have a single Sheffield stand or even one of those wheel stands.

    I’d cycle down to get the messages in a heartbeat if there was adequate designated parking…… but you’d have to remove a handful of car spaces for that… sooo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭ Phil.x


    Another topic gone to the dogs due to the usual suspects.

    It will be a great day when salad box ryan and the crazy gang are no more.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,189 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    A 2 tonne SUV will cause 16 times the wear on the road surface of a 1 tonne car.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,048 ✭✭✭ bladespin


    Not many 2 tonne suvs here, for that kind of weight you’d have to move up a class or 2 into the 4x4s and they’re not SUVs, also worth noting that a Tesla model 3 weighs as much if not more than most common suv models here.



  • Registered Users Posts: 20,189 ✭✭✭✭ AndrewJRenko


    Hyundi Santa Fe curb weight is 1.65 tonnes to 1.84 tonnes, depending on configuration.



  • Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭ JayPS 2288


    Go down to the local secondary school at finishing time, likewise at the national school. The roads are chockablock. A very large percentage of these are living in a 2 km radius of the school.

    Think of all the unnecessary emissions from short journeys, idling cars, ware and tare on the roads.

    There is a bay outside both schools for the school bus and two disabled spaces. These are all fair game so mammy can drop Tiernan and Sadbh in the door.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,867 ✭✭✭✭ cnocbui


    There is effectively no wear and tear on roads from ice passenger vehicles due to their low weight.



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