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Organized crime in Ireland?

  • 29-03-2022 2:35pm
    Registered Users Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭ Sugar_Rush

    When I hear this expression I think, some well dressed olive skin continentals with slicked back hair.

    I mean, Ireland and it's culture just doesn't really come across as an "organized crime" type of nation.....

    Or does it?

    We've all heard of some gang feuds in Dublin etc., that sucks but so many people piled on top of each other in council housing etc., that type of territorialism is bound to emerge.

    Throughout the entire country however, length and breath, what kind of activity would fall within the classification of, or could be characterized as "organized crime"?

    i.e. unscrupulous or exploitative business practice, something to that effect?

    Technically there is a relatively thriving drug trade, so the Irish Times has us believe at least; that being said much of that is confined to the internet in contrast to community suppliers etc., so technically in my mind it's not really "Irish" based or emergent organised crime.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭ tinytobe

    In my perception, organized crime is going down in Ireland, not up. However, it's quite possible that Ireland is still an entry point for drugs into the EU and the UK, especially if long coast lines are not patrolled efficiently. Who knows if there are fishermen out there in need of extra cash?

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,583 ✭✭✭ tinytobe

    Do you think the Guards are ill equipped or ill trained to deal with the matter?

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭ Sugar_Rush

    This could be true but the nature of this crime is not really "Irish".

    Apart from maybe one or two go-getters with a few mari-juana plants in their sun room, as I understand it Ireland isn't exactly a hot bed for drug manufacture or distribution (nor does its culture really lend itself to such).

    If I understand what you're alluding to correctly, the nature of this drug problem would be largely imported by way of the internet where you get some rural Ireland hill-billy's using the Pablo Escobar alter ego to impress the locals.

    Contrast with a country like the Netherlands (which is one of Europe's primary manufacture and distribution outlets), their culture and national framework, being more advanced, is equipped to accommodate manufacture and supply, but it's less of an issue in that country as their culture/national-framework has superior regulatory control, manages it as a whole, much better.

    Owing to better law enforcement, city and district council protocols, generally superior and more progressive national policies (even if they lack that Irish-charm).

    But coming back to contemporary Ireland, say one characterized "organized crime" as thriving business of a controversial nature that operates outside the remit of government oversight;

    What else would we be looking at?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,914 ✭✭✭ BrianD3

    Diesel laundering? Maybe less prevalent and lucrative now as afaik there are different markers used in the fuel that are more difficult to remove.

    Some very unsavoury characters involved in this "business".

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭ Sugar_Rush

    Not to turn this into a discussion on this specific aspect but, how ANYONE would ever trust in the quality being provided from some street hustling riff-raff that couldn't tell you a molecule or ionic bond from last Tuesday, positively mystifies me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,758 ✭✭✭✭ Zebra3

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭ zg3409

    There are protection rackets in cities, door security, construction site security, monthly not getting burnt down fees. Many legitimate shops pay these routinely.

    Some "gangs" terrorise their local area.

    A massive issue is dis organized crime where drug addicts have drug debts that need to be repaid. This creates hundreds of house burglaries for petty cash, and sometimes shootings and assignations are used to pay back debt and encourage others with debt to also rob friends and family to get the money to pay their debt. Pipe bombs on doorsteps are somewhat common.

    There is also other underground gangs such as Chinese gangs in Dublin involved in gambling, cash businesses, employing illegals.

    There is an underground grow house market renting houses, growing cannabis, and those looking after crops often don't speak English or even know where they are.

    The red light businesses and people trafficking are also here too with Russian gangs etc.

    Northern Ireland has an even bigger history in recent history, all similar with certain gangs 100% owning their area of control.

    While they may all be somewhat dis organized, they do work as a team or clan or group typically with one family or person at the top. The Gardai leave some alone, if they don't rock the boat, and others are hard to prosecute beside the low level grunts.

    The massive mark up on drugs generates insane cash in short periods.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭ washman3

    No, it's not a deterrent by any means but guess what? he's making a hell load of dosh for those in the legal business (sorry legal industry) That's all that matters to these vermin. Not much use to them locking up this guy for 20 years (which should happen). Who would fund their film-star lifestyles then.?? 😉

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭ I see sheep

    Should be made legal. Put them out of business, it's the only way.

  • Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭ Tomaldo

    Some countries like Thailand have the death penalty for drug-trafficking, but I know from personal experience that people still buy and sell drugs in that country. Cocaine dealers sell to consenting people, they don't trick or force you to buy it. A "blight on society" that's a bit over the top, anytime I see people taking coke they're getting enjoyment from it. A lot of high-achievers have used it. Why not give legalization a try, if it doesn't work out revert to prohibition.

  • Registered Users Posts: 22,472 ✭✭✭✭ Strumms

    in theory fine, reverting back would where the cluster fück happens.

    legalizing would increase addiction and the associated health problems… health services are already fûcked… doubt legalising cocaine would help.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ Patrick2010

    Often hear that but how would it work? Have shops selling heroin,cocaine,grass, tablets to anyone? Would it not be just the current dealers running the shops?

    Assume price’s the same so junkies still doing petty crimes to get the money to buy?

  • Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭ Tomaldo

    Cocaine is not addictive, the last time I did it was October bank-holiday and you don't know there would be more addictions unless you have a crystal ball. Health services might benefit from the savings on policing, legal costs etc it and the tax take from it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭ Bigmac1euro

    interesting take on one of the most moreish substances in the world.

  • Registered Users Posts: 22,472 ✭✭✭✭ Strumms

    cocaine is addictive, ask any neurobiological expert and they will confirm.

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    Yes that's the solution.

    More drugs on the table... Dealers in cuffs... That'll get those evil drugs off the street.

    It's something we haven't tried as a society, neither anywhere else... Maybe we need to try that, surely we'll see a reduction in users, dealers, murders and all that comes with it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 22,472 ✭✭✭✭ Strumms

    What about all the extra societal and health problems with addiction and use ? Longer hospital waiting lists, even more addicts clogging up hospitals and waiting lists then are already

    more users = more addicts.

    the only benefits from legalizing is slightly safer product due to quality control…

    there would still be an illegal drugs trade, less lucrative but it won’t go away.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭ Tomaldo

    There you go again with your crystal ball, using the word "will" when talking about the future, that's just your opinion, it can't be a fact 'cos it hasn't happened yet. If cocaine is so addictive, how come I'm not an addict or any of the other users I know. A tiny minority do take too much but they often have underlying issues in their live and prohibition hasn't prevented that.

  • Registered Users Posts: 22,472 ✭✭✭✭ Strumms

    Yeah, imagine, and someone expressing an opinion. whatever next

    Here in addition to opinions are facts, they include addiction numbers. The ‘treatment’ numbers as a result of cocaine use are shocking.

  • Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭ Tomaldo

    Opinions are fine as long as you don't try to pass them off as facts. According to your link, if I read it correctly, 72,000 people in Ireland have used coke in the last 12 months. 42 people died from it in 2016 and 53 in 2017, 228 people were treated for non-fatal overdoses in 2019. That is a tiny minority of 72k.

  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭ MarkEadie

    I have more sympathy for an innocent young lad like Anthony Campbell who was shot in cold blood with defensive marks on his hards, due to rival drug gangs who were enabled to get to that level by drug dealing, than I would for some person who went into a shop and bought heroin and OD'd.

  • Registered Users Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ Quitelife

    WE had Head shops which sold lots of Drug Poppers and tablets about 15 years ago , these had to be closed down as that crap became normalized and hundreds of youngsters became addicted over a very short time and there was a significant spike in mental health problems for users .

    How would cocaine/heroin shops/clinics be any different?.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭ Fandymo

    They were closed down because they were unregulated.

  • Registered Users Posts: 16,720 ✭✭✭✭ Donald Trump

    I knew a fella who used to specialise in selling Filofaxes to all manner of dodgy people so that they could properly streamline and manage their activities.

    He worked in very organised crime.

    I'll get me coat

    (Joke robbed from some comedian whom I can't remember)

  • Registered Users Posts: 22,472 ✭✭✭✭ Strumms

    so you are only interested in overdose and death ?

    because drug abuse / use never caused any other health or societal issues ? Umm ok.

    not trying to pass anything off as fact, it’s all in black and white :).

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭ Sugar_Rush

    Since this has gone completely toward the "drug use" side of organised crime:

    • A study with Rats indicates they'll use drug compulsively (dopamine reinforcement), ahead of food, water, shelter, sex etc.
    • The study was repeated when the Rats were in a non-clinical environment (i.e. out in the wild, natural environment vs an emotionally suppressive environment like a glass box in a laboratory).
    • The Rats abandoned drug use almost entirely
    • Conclusion - people use drugs when they're discontent with the state of their lives and environments
    • The determinant of this is their emotional well being.

    So is it a surprise drug use is rampant in overcrowded and built up suppressive living environments (council housing).


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  • Registered Users Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ Quitelife

    I have attended three funerals already this year which were all deaths due to cocaine use - one was a brain anneryism in a 50 year old, one was suicide due to their life going pear shaped over their drug use and the other was a suicide because they were so afraid over a drug debt they couldnt pay a threatening drug dealer they killed themselves . The real reasons of these deaths will not be on any death certificate for various reasons.

    These are all in a small town in munster. None of these will feature on any official numbers.