Biden mental state is just escalating the war in Ukraine - read OP before posting

MakersMark

Congress need to remove Biden from office.

First he says he'll use chemical weapons s if Russia does, then he tells US troops they'll be invading, then he openly states that Putin has to go.

Even the best spin practitioners are struggling with this idiot.

It's a shame Americans are too divided to do the right thing.

Mod notes

We have stopped discussion of Biden's mental state in the presidency thread largely down to the way Trump tried to use it in the presidential election, and the fact that Trump supporters would troll the thread with the "Sleepy Joe" references

It is though a topic that does warrant some discussion, and for now, so long as this thread sticks to that particular topic, the thread remains open. If posters use it to have other unrelated digs at (or indeed praises of) Biden posters will be threadbanned and/or the thread will be closed. Please stick to the topic, and post in a constructive and civil manner

Donald Trump is not the topic, so there's no need to even mention him - indeed I would recommend not mentioning him at all of you wish to post in this thread

Threadbanned users:

maestroamado

Fandymo

Yurt2

By all means criticize Biden for what he has said or what he has done.

But absolutely nowhere did he say the US will use chemical weapons.

The direct quote when asked as to what would happen if Russia used chemical weapons was:

"We would respond, the nature of the response would depend on the nature of the use."

That's not threatening the use of chemical weapons. So stop setting up bullsh*t threads making stuff up. It's not welcome.

Brendan Bendar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118841494#Comment_118841494

Good call Yurt, far too many of those kind of posts about the place

TheValeyard

The only one escalating the war in Ukraine is Putin and a shower of cnuts supporting him.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058239054/biden-mental-state-is-just-escalating-the-war-in-ukraine

Biden did not say he would use chemical weapons, It's Putins mental state that is the problem.

alchemist33

Jesus, what a ridiculous thread

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118841494#Comment_118841494

Absolutely agree. There is plenty to criticise Biden for but making **** up or exaggerating the severity of a gaffe is dishonest and tarnishes legitimate criticism.

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118841528#Comment_118841528

There will be times on a Sunday morning that not all the alcohol has left your system by 7:53 AM.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118841571#Comment_118841571

You think it's OK to spread misinformation?

Biden never threatened to use chemical weapons

Deub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118841571#Comment_118841571

Maybe because the op didn’t say much at all but still managed to give 2 incorrect information on 3 arguments.

Yurt2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118841571#Comment_118841571

Very even-handed of you to agree with yourself.

Cal4567

The days of diplomatic language are over. Putin's a butcher.

Zelensky's not a politician and just says it how it is.

As for Biden, could you imagine Trump now, and what we'd get over the last 2/3 days?

Actually, a rational analysis of the American response to all this, has been fine by my book.

Dyr

All depends on whether Bidens language was scripted or not, Probably not ” given that the White house rolled it back . Which confirms he can't function too well away from a tightly scripted controlled environment.

Aside from Biden being forgetful, or having a stammer or whatever nonsense excuse is touted for his inability to align his gob with reality and policy, Putin has the Biden administration marked down as weak. Did that escalate the war? It encouraged Putin to invade anyway, Biden being in office now is not helping but the roots of this lay in the appeasement of Russia by Europe and the US for the last 15 years

Beasty

We have stopped discussion of Biden's mental state in the presidency thread largely down to the way Trump tried to use it in the presidential election, and the fact that Trump supporters would troll the thread with the "Sleepy Joe" references

It is though a topic that does warrant some discussion, and for now, so long as this thread sticks to that particular topic, the thread remains open. If posters use it to have other unrelated digs at (or indeed praises of) Biden posters will be threadbanned and/or the thread will be closed. Please stick to the topic, and post in a constructive and civil manner

MakersMark

Wow, a lot of golks jumped on me quite quickly there, including jibes about being drunk on a Sunday morning .

A lot of people conflate criticism of Biden with support of Trump or even Putin, which it isnt. Those people should try to be more objective.

When spokespeople are constantly having to explain Bidens comments, it's a sure sign that something is wrong, surely you can see that?

kirk.

Did biden say he'd use chemical weapons ?

I'd expect to be jumped on if wrong

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058239054/biden-mental-state-is-just-escalating-the-war-in-ukraine

Biden is doing a great job and I'd be more fearful that Putin is suffering paranoid delusions associated with early onset of dementia than Biden.

Having to deal on a personal level with someone who is suffering paranoid delusions that is something a magnitude more frightening...lucid...lunacy...lucid a while more... full on lunacy...and so on.

fits

He’s saying what everyone is thinking but yeah he shouldn’t have said it.

rossie1977

Bidens played an absolute blinder past 2-3 months.

Firstly his intelligence was spot on that Russia were going to invade. We had so many 'well US military intelligence is always wrong look at Iraq' stuff in November-January.

Second he has shown himself to be firm but not maniacal or war monger. Putin on the other hand has shown himself to be weak minded tyrant instead of this genius strongman the internet tried to paint him as past decade. Lets see anyone post a shirtless Putin now riding a horse and saying he is cool lol.

Third what a f*cking speech last night. Right up there with Ich bin ein Berliner or Tear down this Wall. Bidens a diplomat and exactly what's needed at this time.

Can you provide verifiable quotes from respectable sources which form the basis of your post:

"he'll use chemical weapons"

"he tells US troops they'll be invading"

Pherekydes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118841571#Comment_118841571

Everything he said is wrong, miss first post.

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118841875#Comment_118841875

Is it arguable though that he could have played a stronger hand before the invasion ?

I'm undecided on this

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118841875#Comment_118841875

Ah now. You can't honestly believe that.

If you are saying Biden is playing a blinder because Putin looks weak, you might as well say Michael Martin is playing a blinder too.

And his speech last night? It would be up there with "tear down this wall" if Reagan's staff came out immediately afterwards and clarified that he didn't want the wall taken down and he meant something else instead.

kirk.

I got the impression that the US deliberately allowed the war to happen

It's a very weird strategy to basically do nothing and then proceed to arm the Ukrainians

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118841888#Comment_118841888

To be honest, I think you've hit on the underlying issue here - a lot of people seem willing to forgive Biden's issues because "at least he's not Trump!"

No he's not, but I have the feeling he's being "managed" behind the scenes as Reagan was in his later years.

The bigger problem of course is that the best America can come up with nowadays is Biden, Trump or Hilary. No wonder the place is so divided.

Christine Neville

@MakersMark It's a shame Americans are too divided to do the right thing.

So what would do you think the nation's official response would be if they weren't divided?

Riesen_Meal

Strange accounts tend to pop up on these thread's a lot these days....

Didn't all the pro Trump heads online seem to think that Biden was senile and had dementia?

I don't really see it myself, he seems to have handled the Russia situation as well as he can for now....

I don't really want the US going in all guns blazing personally as I think that will only escalate thing's

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118841851#Comment_118841851

They can't, Trump appears to have broken their brains.

Have a leader say one thing, and then having his administration or handlers constantly correct it, smacks of a guy in late stage Reagan and being run by his advisors, who also appear to be fairly clueless. His reponse when he was asked if he'd visit Ukraine was that he wanted to but "they" wouldnt let him. Not the sort of language you want from any leader, let alone the titular leader of the free world.

mikethecop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118841851#Comment_118841851

why wouldnt they ? you posted something that was easily and provably untrue ?

i have very little faith in biden in general and his age is a factor in that but I watched the press conference the other day and he seemed fairly on the ball, called out a few journalists for getting carried away and putting words in his mouth even .

its a very dangerous time to be misquoting and making up lies about what people said imo

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118841571#Comment_118841571

Except the bulk of it

Christine Neville

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058239054/biden-mental-state-is-just-escalating-the-war-in-ukraine

Who would you rather see in power? Hillary, Trump, Obama? Go on then... let's hear an answer?

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118842071#Comment_118842071

To be fair, his own staffers have to "qualify" what he meant sure...

In a major address delivered at Warsaw’s Royal Castle, Biden evoked Poland’s four decades behind the Iron Curtain in an effort to build a case that the world’s democracies must urgently confront an autocratic Russia as a threat to global security and freedom.

But a remark at the end of the speech raised the spectre of an escalation by Washington, which has avoided direct military involvement in Ukraine, and has specifically said it does not back regime change.

“For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power,” Mr Biden told a crowd in Warsaw after condemning Putin’s month-long war in Ukraine. A White House official said Mr Biden’s remarks did not represent a shift in Washington’s policy.

“The President’s point was that Putin cannot be allowed to exercise power over his neighbours or the region,” the official said. “He was not discussing Putin’s power in Russia, or regime change.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/biden-view-that-putin-cannot-remain-in-power-not-meant-to-back-regime-change-white-house-1.4837269

Which just comes across as even weaker and damage control!

You don't have to be pro-Trump to have serious questions about Biden.

DeadHand

Biden's public appearances are not filling me with confidence in him.

He is remarkable frail, shuffling along stiffly. He trips over his words, mumbles, goes on tangents. He has a glassy, vacant expression and looks everyday of his age. The man is managed and handled to the extent I've seen staff grab his arm and usher him in a quite disrespectful manner, as a jaded family member might usher an elderly, incapable relative..

I fear he won't see out his term, much less become a talisman for the free world.

Contrast this with the desperate vitality of Zelensky or the robust oratory of Boris.

It's not a hugely significant element in the Ukrainian question, but I do feel it's ten or twenty years after the point Biden could have been an inspirational crisis leader.

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118842636#Comment_118842636

When you look at leaders like Biden, Trump and BoJo, you really have to ask is this the best these countries can offer?

ronivek

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118842487#Comment_118842487

They're clarifying the USA's formal policy position. Biden is the only one who knows exactly what he might have meant by the statement but there are plenty of ways it could be interpreted.

I mean if Biden saying that has genuinely changed Putin's calculus about the situation in Ukraine then we're in bigger trouble; because that means literally anything said by anyone could be impacting how he views the conflict on an hourly basis.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118841851#Comment_118841851

I agree with that statement and I’m definitely not a sock puppet of OP last time I took a look. It has certainly caused ripples in Washington. Personally I like Joe Biden and completely agree with what he said in a personal level, but not as a president as it gives Putin another excuse he doesn’t deserve to have.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118842590#Comment_118842590

Interesting how the one POTUS he helped to elect he didn’t cause problems for? He just let Trump go about dismantling NATO and trying to secure a $500bn oil deal with Exxon at the start of his term. Strange!

You failed to mention the 2008 invasion of Georgia under GWB.

maestroamado

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118841938#Comment_118841938

My thinking is very much the same as you as having a buffer zone between east and west might be convenient, i have been saying this here for years after Crimea was annexed. I do not know as it may be that US cannot do anything because not members of NATO which seems to be the reason Russia did exercises on our coast and the fishermen sorted them out.

DeadHand

@Padre_Pio

I broadly agree with your point, but I would defend BoJo a wee bit here.

I feel he excells at the type of statesmanship the situation demands. He speaks well, in a rousing manner. Shades of Churchill in his delivery, not that he can claim that kind of greatness.

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118842716#Comment_118842716

A post deserving of this thread..

Seriously though I hope someone is managing Putin and he doesn't have his hand on the nuclear button

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118842686#Comment_118842686

Ah the chairman of the Joe Biden reelection commitee (Boards branch ) has arrived to protect and deflect expect many variations of "But but Trump" for the next while

Indeed, Putin didnt launch the riskiest move that Russia has pulled since WW2 while he had a puppet in the White House because...reasons.

Have you any idea how demented that now sounds or does that tinfoil hat you constructed protect you from self awareness? 😂

I seem to recall Trump demanding that European NATO members honour their commitments to defence spending and telling Germany that their reliance on Russian gas was reckless, remind me what has happened in the last month with regard to both of those issues?

Meanwhile, Joe is intent on removing Stalin from power 😂

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118842770#Comment_118842770

Wow, amazing how facts caused you to get this upset and flip over a whole table.

Dempo1

I'm torn on this, Biden was correct in many respects to lay it out honestly and it's hard to disagree with his comments but and here's the but...

Already , the Whizzel, Macron has been critical of some of the comments , SKY news reporting this

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-biden-may-wish-his-putin-demise-remarks-do-not-come-back-to-haunt-him-12576144

And whilst on the surface all we hear about is Unity but I truly wonder is there at times.

I've lost count of the "latest round of sanctions" and yet Putin earning 100's of millions of Dollars a day extra with increased Gas and Oil prices.

I don't pretend to have the answers but can't help but thing this has been an own goal by Biden and you know its bad when the white house has to step in and clarify comments he's made, constantly.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118842645#Comment_118842645

The sentence he uttered does not align with the clarification from his staffers which was weak damage control.

He was very clear that he believes that Putin can't remain in power. We may all even agree with him, but as president, what he says matters and could signal a change in policy and hence someone was sent out to try and clarify it.

He messed up. Plain and simple.

maestroamado

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118843001#Comment_118843001

I meant to say this earlier but its my belief... it is not for anyone to say but the Russian people who should be President...

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118843199#Comment_118843199

Well if old senile Reagan was the panacea to imploding the Soviet Union, maybe old Joe is the solution to finishing the job.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118843228#Comment_118843228

They both presided over the international drool-based system.

Beasty

Donald Trump is not the topic, so there's no need to even mention him - indeed I would recommend not mentioning him at all of you wish to post in this thread

Gregor Samsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118843184#Comment_118843184

It’s just a pity they don’t get a fair chance to do so.

BruteStock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118841870#Comment_118841870

His approval rating plummeted. There's all out war in Ukraine. Gas prices are at a record high and cost of living is soaring throughout the western world as a direct result of the conflict. He's not doing a "great job" in any way shape or form.

StevenToast

The USA went from having the worst president in their history to having the 2nd worst in their history....