Anti-Vaxxer arrested over death of Donegal COVID patient

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/man-arrested-in-relation-to-death-of-covid-patient-who-left-hospital-1.4796230

Anti-vaccination activist Antonio Mureddu has been arrested by gardaí in Co Donegal.

It is understood the arrest relates to an incident at Letterkenny University Hospital when a seriously ill Covid-19 patient was assisted in leaving the hospital on September 14th last.

The man, 68-year-old Joe McCarron, died a couple of days later in the hospital after he had been returned there by his family.

A video of the incident shows Mureddu telling doctors and security officers that he is helping Mr McCarron to leave the hospital.

Doctors are filmed pleading with Mr McCarron not to leave hospital advising him that he is very ill with Covid.

Mureddu appeared on Monday at Letterkenny District Court where he was facing road traffic charges.

However, directly after the brief appearance the 44 year old, an Italian national, was arrested by gardaí within the lobby of the court.

Having been approached by a number of both uniformed and plain-clothes gardaí, he was taken away for questioning at Letterkenny Garda station.

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Poor man.

What is wrong with these people

PowerToWait

I’d nearly bet he was citing maritime law with his traffic offences.

For Forks Sake

ancapailldorcha

Anti-vaxxers (as distinct from the vaccine hesitant) are scum. They're happy to spread their poison, knowing full well it will cost other people's lives. I hope he gets prison. He deserves it.

For Forks Sake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118597252#Comment_118597252

Not quite, but he has form for acting the b0llocks in front of the judiciary

https://connachttribune.ie/anti-vaxxers-day-of-court-drama/

 

I wish the whole judiciary spent more time prosecuting actual crimes, instead of merely opinions.

MarkEadie

Is he related to the deceased? I'm curious about how this happened.

rosser44

Delighted!! Hopefully a nice long sentence too for this dirty little fascist scumbag.

Kermit.de.frog

https://youtu.be/KuXZNCBazWs

This is the guy, they are all the same

"I'm the master, you're the servant"

silver2020

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058231857/anti-vaxxer-arrested-over-death-of-donegal-covid-patient

Exactly, the poor man is dead due to this utterly stupid fool.

Hopefully this eejit gets a few years behind bars.

But he'll probably play the mental health card - in reality he is just phenomenally stupid.

paul71

Hopefully a fully served 7 year sentence for wreckless endangerment followed by deportation back to Italy.

Peregrinus

The newspaper report is careful to say that Mureddu's arrest "relates to an incident at Letterkenny University Hospital" when McCarron was "assisted in leaving".

It doesn't say that the incident was the provision of assistance to leave. It could have been something that happened at the same time - a trespass offence, an offence involving abuse of the staff, something of that kind. Or, of course, it could be the assistance to leave. We'll have to wait and see what charge, if any, is brought.

If the charge is to be in relation to the assistance to leave, there has been speculation that the charge will be endangerment. But I see a problem here. The offence involves engaging in "conduct which creates a substantial risk of death or serious harm to another". But McCarron was already at substantial risk of death; his doctor can be heard telling him exactly this in the video. Murredu's conduct may have intensified McCarron's risk of dying of Covid, but it doesn't seem to me that it created that risk. I think a prosecution for endangerment may fail.

Ashbourne hoop

Its about time these morons realised there is consequences for their actions.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598615#Comment_118598615

I disagree. taking him out of the hospital creates a new risk of death or serious injury due a lack of a required medical treatment. the risk of dying due to a lack of medical treatment did not exist while he was in the hospital.

gmisk

Late last year Mureddu appeared in court on multiple driving offence, without a mask but wearing a “floor length purple cloak”. He then attempted Freeman of the Land type nonsense to get off the charges.

Sounds about right....absolute looper...

Fandymo

Whilst the man seems like an absolute looper, none of the above fcuked up revenge fantasies are going to happen. If the patient, Mr McCarron, was of sound mind, which it seems from the videos where he states he wants to leave the hospital, then there is absolutely nothing that Mureddu can be charged with. The hospital has no right to detain anyone, unless they are not of sound mind, and need to be detained for their own safety. This does not seem to be the case here.

Posturing to try to stop it from happening again perhaps? Or as someone said above maybe a minor trespass charge.

MacDanger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118597842#Comment_118597842

Dunno how the Gardai manage to keep their temper dealing with bell ends like this

paul71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118601076#Comment_118601076

A bell end like this hounded a member of the force into suicide not so long ago by means of concerted social media harassment that lasted more than a year.

Interestingly the "lady" responsible for that had much the same views as this despicable creature.

Itssoeasy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118597293#Comment_118597293

Well it’s not his opinions he’s been questioned over now is it ? It’s over his actions in convincing a very ill man to leave hospital and then he died days later.

Boggles

Released without charge.

Kicked up to the DPP to make the decision.

Will be very interesting to see what happens.

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598664#Comment_118598664

Well, we'll see. But, bear in mind that, as a penal provision, this will be restrictively interpreted by the courts. If the Oireachtas wants to criminalise conduct they have to do so in the clearest terms, and any ambiguity will resolved in the defendant's favour.

SamStonesArm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118597842#Comment_118597842

Oh jaysus that clown would give ya ire.

I would suspect if you made that awful "I'm the master. You're the servant"' comment to the Carabinieri (Italian gendarmerie police force) you would be getting a lot more than a polite response and being let drive off. I also doubt it's something many people would dare try!

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118603746#Comment_118603746

Funny thing is in the video he states he is going to work.

But according this IT report from November he is "unemployed and in receipt of social welfare".

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/anti-vaccination-campaigner-fined-for-breaching-covid-19-restrictions-1.4739206?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fcrime-and-law%2Fcourts%2Fdistrict-court%2Fanti-vaccination-campaigner-fined-for-breaching-covid-19-restrictions-1.4739206

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118601203#Comment_118601203

The ill man made the decision to leave the hospital.

seamus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118604435#Comment_118604435

Sure, but consent isn't always that simple. People can be coerced or deceived into making decisions. The fact that they made decision doesn't mean the other person is necessarily scott free.

Any road, it's pretty clear that while the dead man was a complete simpleton, he was also deeply involved in this freeman nonsense over the last several years, so it's unlikely the other fruit loop came into the hospital and randomly convinced him to leave. He was most likely intending on leaving but just wanted some support.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118604489#Comment_118604489

I can't see any coercion or deception in the videos. As you say the patient wanted to leave the hospital, the defendant seems to have been there at the invite of the patient who wanted to leave, as was his right.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118598798#Comment_118598798

He's friendly with Dolores Cahill and previously with Gemma O'Doherty though Gemma now claims he is a state agent.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118604489#Comment_118604489

And Murredu also claimed in the video Dolores Cahill was involved

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/dolores-cahill-joe-mccarron

BattleCorp1

Just to play Devil's Advocate...............Supposing a taxi driver and not Mureddu had collected Joe McCarron from hospital, I wonder would the taxi driver have been arrested?

I notice Mureddu hasn't been charged with anything in relation to this. If Joe McCarron was of sound mind, then I can't see any crime being committed.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118600998#Comment_118600998

You can detain somebody with multidrug resistant TB against their will under public health legislation.

Frank Bullitt

He should be sent to jail for his facial hair alone.

Horrible human anyway, and this just proves it. Hopefully they throw away the key, he has know connections to racists in Italy as well, so fück him.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612143#Comment_118612143

Did Mr McCarron have multidrug resistant TB? Or is the above just pointless pedantry?

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612112#Comment_118612112

I notice Mureddu hasn't been charged with anything in relation to this.

Yet. File has been sent to the DPP.

FintanMcluskey

What can he be charged with regarding the hospital video?

The management of nursing home's early in the pandemic, & refusal to implement antigen testing for care home workers (like the rest of the globe did) would have caused many death's in Ireland.

Will those responsible be investigated and charged accordingly?

Because they chap with the goatee won't effect or influence 99.9% of people in Ireland, but those making decisions effect everyone.

We have a habit of following the balls thrown by the media, which in the grand scheme of things are isolated incidents in one of the world's most vaccinated nations

MarkEadie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612112#Comment_118612112

In your example is the taxi driver continually imploring Joe to leave and telling him the doctors and hospital is going to kill him if he stays?

MarkEadie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612282#Comment_118612282

You said someone can't be detained if they are of sound mind. That was proven false by the poster with their example. I'm not sure you comprehended that.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612468#Comment_118612468

The someone in this case was Mr McCarron. Perhaps you know that he has multidrug resistant TB?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118601076#Comment_118601076

They shouldn't tbh. A few belts people like this need.

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612422#Comment_118612422

Murders are isolated incidents. That's not a reason for not prosecuting when they do occur.

I'm not saying that Murredu murdered McCarron, or anything like that. Just that the rightness or wrongness, legality or illegality, of what he did does not depend at all on how often incidents like this occur. Saying that this is an "isolated incident" is no help at all to Murredu.

Nor does the legality of his acts depend on "the management of nursing homes early in the pandemic" or the other factors you mention. It may not be your intention, but bringing them up in this context looks like an attempt to distract from the subject of the thread, which is Murredu's involvement with the death of McCarron, and whether there is any legal accountability for it.

Your initial question ("What can he be charged with regarding the hospital video?") is the right question to ask, even though none of the other points you mention are relevant to that question. There is speculation about a charge of endangerment contrary to the Non-Fatal Offences Against the Person Act, 1997 s. 13; for reasons given earlier in the thread I am not confident that a charge would be successful, but I could be wrong.

It's also possible that the enquiry will focus on more than is just disclosed in the video, and on the involvement of people other than Murredu. Reportedly, after McCarron was taken home he was given medical treatment in line with the beliefs of the people involved, which included the administration of Ivermectin. There will be questions to be asked about whether this treatment, or the withholding of conventional treatment, contributed to his death; whether the Ivermectin was supplied without prescription; and whether there are any infringements of the law here. One possible outcome is that there will be charges, but not charges directly related to McCarron's death.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612458#Comment_118612458

Is the taxi driver getting his mate Dolores Cahill involved?

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612164#Comment_118612164

Hes comedy gold in a way though. He demanded 50 grand off the Gardai who arrested him in Galway.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612422#Comment_118612422

no, they won't as at that time antigen testing was unreliable.

therefore had they implemented something unreliable they may have caused further issues.

for the rest of the bad management, unless it can be shown that the management was with the intent to cause death or injury then realistically there is probably nothing they could be charged with.

in relation to the hospital video, the anti-vaxer nut engaged in radicalisation with the intent of causing the individual to refuse treatment with the intent to instigate a particular outcome whatever that outcome was, but with the knowledge that the individual could die by not receiving that treatment.

gmisk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612112#Comment_118612112

Ah come on...you can't see the difference?

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118597293#Comment_118597293

It's not the judiciary's role to prosecute cases nor should it ever be.... So no, you will never get your wish.

BattleCorp1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118616465#Comment_118616465

Yer man Mureddu is a pure head the ball and I know the difference for sure. But while I disagree with what Mureddu did, I'm not sure it was against the law.

happyoutscan

Another agitator that has **** all better to do with himself. A loser.

stellamere

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118600998#Comment_118600998

I think you're correct. The poor man was either of sound mind or unsound mind.

If he was of unsound mind the doctors could have made an application to detain him under the mental health act or seek an emergency High Court Order (impractical ).. They didn't so presumably they felt he was of sound mind, in which case the docs could only plead with him to stay. People of sound mind don't have to receive treatment if they don't want to. Assisting someone to leave in those circumstances isn't a crime.

If however, the defendant was giving the poor man false information and actively persuading him to leave against the doctors advice, then he might have got charged with manslaughter. They'll have to prove his actions were grossly negligent and led directly to the mans death. Will be difficult to prove but the judge will be taking into account the patients age, vulnerability and his reliance on the advice of the defendant. He should have to answer for his actions in any event and its good he's being charged.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118614064#Comment_118614064

He could be charged with burglary

Crocodile Booze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118612112#Comment_118612112

In your example, is the taxi driver the Italian King of Dogshite?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058231857/anti-vaxxer-arrested-over-death-of-donegal-covid-patient

So nobody has died from covid after taking the vaccine?