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Supreme Court Describes Traveller Community as “Vulnerable Minority”

  • 31-01-2022 9:32pm
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 3,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Raichu

    minority? yes

    vulnerable? Surely that’s a fcuking laugh?

    ah here

    Mr Justice Gerard Hogan said members of the Traveller community have struggled for recognition of their own cultural identity and way of life.

    How is this not a wind up? Well isn’t it awful lads that the poor travellers can’t effectively do as they please. The poor craters.

    edit: and for what it’s worth I haven’t a problem with (most) travellers I’ve dealt with.

    when we got our current gaff we bought the timber floors and some beds and mattresses from a furniture shop owned by travellers. Nothing bad could be said about them whatsoever.

    Of course there’s the ones who act like wild animals and if their way of life is being infringed upon then the law of the land is in place and proper order.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,954 ✭✭✭ littlevillage

    Dangerous precedent being set. Local authorities are going to have to hire armed gaurds to defend their properties from those seeking to 'carpetbag' a piece of free land or a free house

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭ ParkRunner

    One to appeal to Europe?

  • Limerick Co. Co. will struggle to house that couple and their adult offspring in a manner which is in keeping with their cultural needs. The housing must be provided in advance, the Couple will need to accept it. The Judge has really left the Co. Co. where nothing but a free mansion with space for caravans and a stable will be acceptable to the Couple and the Couple now know that.

  • I think rather than giving the Couple the Mansion the Council will have to provide a compound with services in an area designated residential even if they have to find that location and redesignate it residential. Present it to the Couple, let the couple reject it and then go back to Court to get their eviction order enforced.

    Caving in and gifting a dream home will be counter-productive. Allowing them to remain will mean that others Travellers will follow suit and squat.

    Some good might come of it but it is galling either way.

  • Registered Users Posts: 21,851 ✭✭✭✭ One eyed Jack

    Why would Limerick Co. Co. be having anything to do with the family in question when the case was concerned with an order requiring the family to vacate council-owned land in Co. Clare?

    It comes as the Supreme Court overturned an injunction from the High Court requiring husband and wife Bernard and Helen McDonagh, their sons and extended family to vacate council-owned land in Co Clare.

  • Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭ iColdFusion

    Honest question, what % of traveller do you need to be to get all the free housing, legal immunity and such?

    I mean if a traveller girl has some kids with like a Jamican guy, are the kids still travellers and entitled to EU protection or what?

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  • My mistake. I'm sure Clare Co. Co. would have loved that it was Limerick Co. Co.s problem.

    Do you disagree with any of the points I made otherwise?

  • Registered Users Posts: 21,851 ✭✭✭✭ One eyed Jack

    I do, but I figured you’re not going to let that stop you 😂

  • For the benefit of the viewers at home which points do you disagree with?

    Do you not agree that the Council are between a rock and a hard place in that they can not be seen to reward them for squatting and can not be seen to allow them to remain squatting.

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,867 ✭✭✭ AllForIt

    It is quite laughable to think that Travellers are looking for housing off the council, when their way of life, or their 'culture' as they put it, plays no part in the state being able to provide housing to anyone at all.

    If everyone had their way of life, there would be no council, no state, no anything.

    edit: of course they are 'vulnerable'. Lots of people are vulnerable, that's why we organize our state in the way we do, a semi socialist state. It is not my fault travellers are vulnerable though.

  • Who would you suggest the cap fits? Jinglejangle69 or Cassidy Black Saltine or somebody else. Who are you suggesting is a Racist.

  • Registered Users Posts: 27,825 ✭✭✭✭ end of the road

    your point doesn't work as everything you mention from trespass to breaking and entering are criminal offenses.

    julian the journalist asange is innocent, free julian the journalist.

  • Registered Users Posts: 27,825 ✭✭✭✭ end of the road

    no as such appeal would not be successful because there is nothing to appeal really as facts are facts.

    julian the journalist asange is innocent, free julian the journalist.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,825 ✭✭✭✭ end of the road

    there is no legal immunity for travelers, travelers are subject to the same laws as the rest of us.

    the issue is lack of gards to enforce the law across the board.

    julian the journalist asange is innocent, free julian the journalist.

  • Registered Users Posts: 27,825 ✭✭✭✭ end of the road

    not at all, its just the reality.

    when people break the law and those charged with enforcing the law are so under resourced they can barely carry out the job then you get a junk show.

    julian the journalist asange is innocent, free julian the journalist.

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    Not enforcing the laws against the Travelling community is discrimination against the rest of us who do.

    And not enforcing the laws against the Travelling community is effectively the same as having legal immunity. The net effect is the same.

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,526 ✭✭✭✭ Dempo1

    Couldn't agree more, Ethnic Recognition should not mean carte blanch different strokes for different folks and anyone looking objectively at was has happened since Enda Kennys speech can see there are different rules being applied and a small minority in the Travelling community using every trick in the book to get preferential treatment, particularly in regard to criminal and discrimination law.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    If having ethnic recognition meant that I was born with an inalienable right to commit certain crimes; that has to be the worst ethnicity on the planet and, if I were a member of said "ethnicity", I would revoke my membership in an instant.