Nissan Note e-power

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This discussion was created from comments split from: 2021 Irish EV sales.

YellowRattle

I hope Nissan brings the new Note e-power to Europe. Won Japanese car of the year. As much as I would want an Ariya, I only need the note aura e-power.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118425510#Comment_118425510

If you want an efficient petrol hybrid there's plenty of choice already. I doubt the note epower would do well against the well established "self charging" cars

YellowRattle

The e-power gives you e pedal functionality which parallel hybrids can’t. They also have a 4wd version as well.

YellowRattle

https://youtu.be/jlmhAzk6osY

Driving video

https://youtu.be/j_h9cH0LTZM

daheff

Big draw for me is the Note is cavernous inside. It's like twice as big inside as it looks like outside.

A full ev would be great.

ELM327

Yeah it's just a fossil car with a complex drivetrain though. You can't plug it in, you can only refuel with petrol. Not interested.

YellowRattle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432499#Comment_118432499

That’s like saying a hammer is useless ‘caus it can’t tighten a screw. It’s about the right tool for the right job.

Miscreant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118437292#Comment_118437292

Poster didn't say it was useless though, just that they aren't interested.

This is another type of hybrid power train so I'm sure there will be a market for it. I think a Qashqai version is planned too.

PaulRyan97

Yes the Qashqai will be getting a beefier version of the same powertrain.

Interesting stuff though, improvements to hybrid technology should 100% be invested in. There here to stay for the next few decades whether we like it or not.

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118437532#Comment_118437532

Pretty much unsellable as a new vehicle in the EU by 2035, maybe earlier if the euro manufacturers transition to non combustion earlier. If I was a shareholder in an auto targeting the EU market I'd question any further investment in combustion based drivetrains.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118437292#Comment_118437292

Yes and there's no need to bring an antiquated powertrain to market now when the sale of it will be banned in 3 years to 6-8 years

YellowRattle

I would forecast the demise of liquid cooled batteries ( solid state is where the weight and range gain is) before efficient parallel hybrids.

Folks popping to the shops for milk in a 4000lb vehicle seems a step backwards.

ba_barabus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432499#Comment_118432499

Sadly 60% of our electricity here is generated using fossil fuel so one way or the other.........

It's a good alternative for those who need a car that can efficiently travel long distances.

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118450156#Comment_118450156

The sale of petrol cars is being banned starting some places in just 3 years. Why would nissan bring this to the EU?

ba_barabus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118450269#Comment_118450269

Never commented on any of that but nice deflection.

And isn't the proposal to ban the sale of fossil fuel only cars with hybrids being allowed to continue as they see the need for them for people who dn't have access to a network or who need to travel long distances quickly.

engine is the same block as they already manufacture. they aren't betting the house on this hybrid technology, just extending the lifecycle of a component they already produce while dippign their toes further in to the future.

PaulRyan97

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448746#Comment_118448746

Yes, no doubt it would be of limited use within the EU, but Europe is the world leader on EVs. Think about in poorer nations where a transition to EVs likely won't happen for decades, they'll be using internal combustion engines long after they're gone here. With most of the expected world population growth to be in these places this century the global internal combustion engine fleet could actually grow, not shrink. I'd rather they have efficient hybrids to at least limit that potential CO2 source.

YellowRattle

Agree. But folks here spending 50k for a plus 2 tonne vehicle to go to the shops is also not sustainable. It’s about the right tool for the right job and I wonder if here we are not repeating the whole move to diesels like we did in 08. The future is electric, but solid state battery electric so it’s important that folks don’t take one step forward and 2 steps back.

Ce he sin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118450269#Comment_118450269

There's nowhere in the EU banning the sale of hybrids (which this is) in the next three years.

ELM327

Norway is in 2025. The rest seem to be 2030 or 2035.

And yes, I am aware of the EU vs EEA.

celtic_oz

Some amount rubbish being talked here

Kerb weight of a Nissan Note - e-power :  1300 kg ( ~less than 100 MPG )

Kerb weight of a Renault Zoe fully electric : 1,4681 kg ( 185.0 MPGe)

Kerb weight of a Peugeot e-208 fully electric : 1,530 kg ( 171.2 MPGe )

Perfect for going to the shops for some milk!

Most astute EV owners charge at night when its cheaper and the mix of renewables in the grid is better than 50%

This will only get better.

The taxes on fossil fuel cars will increase exponentially over the next few years. Anyone buying a new one has more money than sense.

YellowRattle

Interesting listening to the engine kicking in charging the battery.

https://youtu.be/X4-jb4fhU64

Review

https://youtu.be/Jp856Zif7Ao

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118450156#Comment_118450156

40% isn’t and that 60% isn’t pumping out fumes at street level and is a lot cleaner than out of a car exhaust.

AnF Chuckie egg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118478765#Comment_118478765

Only problem is the cost of the Full electric cars plus the cost of electricity to charge same cars.

The Nissan Note e will use 2.7L per 100klm at €1.85 per litre of fuel is costing €4.99

Electric car, take the Peugeot-e has a 50Wh battery with a range of 275klm that works out at 18Wh to do 100klm

To charge 18Wh currently costs you over €8.50 at an ESB charge point.

Even with night saver electric it's still costing €4.50 but don't forget to add on the cost of a homecharger, the higher standing charge too.

Tax on fossil fuel cars will not go higher in the next few years, as we have seen the government has reduced excise on fuel lately. If fuel returns to €1.20 -€1.50 /litre then the Note is costing as low as €3.25 per 100klm

Also Factor in the huge depreciation the Full EV car suffers due to battery degradation, and possible power grid blackouts too over the winter and I can't see any value in the current EV's

celtic_oz

Even with night saver electric it's still costing €4.50 but don't forget to add on the cost of a homecharger, the higher standing charge too.

Since when did 18Kwh cost €4.5 on night rate ??

The current energia EV plan ( link ) night rate costs less than 10c per Kwh so thats less than €1.80 or nearly 3 times cheaper

cost of a homecharger,

minuscule when taken over the lifetime of the EV or multiple EVs and there's a grant!

Also Factor in the huge depreciation the Full EV car suffers due to battery degradation,

The batteries don't degrade significantly ( when compared to the lifespan of an ICE engine ) this myth and many more have been put to bed years ago ..

link thats why most manufacturers give 8 years warranty that they will still have 80% after ~8 years

And finally most modern EVs appreciate ( or depreciate at a much lower rate than ICE cars) after they are bought due to the shortage.

You probably hate the idea of solar on your roof also, nice to drive on sunshine every now and again, unless maybe you make fossil fuels in your back garden somehow.

AnF Chuckie egg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119608494#Comment_119608494

Lets stick to the facts.

• The energia plan you are on is out of date now, they like all the other suppliers are hiking rates in the next 4-8 weeks. You are on a variable rate so you are getting hiked.
• The energia plan you are on has a "great headline rate" for night saver but is totally unsuitable for heavy use like EV charging since an average EV will need to be charged from 0 to full at least 3 times per week (truth be told it's probably every night) that's 156 charges per annum. After roughly 8 charges you have used up your 2000Wh annual limit on nightsaver electric so you then move to the higher rate which at the moment is 22 cent with energia and thats last years rate. On top of which since you are on nightsaver you pay far higher for the daily rate of electricity so in fairness you are being hit for roughly 25c/kwh => €4.50 for 100klm of charge. That's a fact read the terms of your contract. And that's without the price hikes in the next few weeks.
• Cost of home-charger isn't nothing, the grant is gobbled up by price gauging. You can only get 1 grant for 1 vehicle and the homechargers do fail, and develop faults
• The EV batteries, just like your mobile phone battery degrade significantly in terms of use. So while a phone or laptop is still usable with a battery with 60-70% of original capacity, an EV becomes a driving range nightmare. Tesla the leader in EV battery tech offer a replacement if the batteries fail or go below 70% capacity by 100k kilometers. Not much of a guarantee if you ask me.
• Don't see too many wanting to buy a five year old EV with 100k on it, it's new or nothing as nobody wants an EV that the battery could fail or go faulty and your local Mechanic can do nothing for you. Who the hell wants a second hand EV and be driving around like a nervous wreck wondering has it enough charge to get back.
• The reality of EVs in Ireland is you pay through the hole for a big heavy battery car that costs as much as a conventional ICE car to run, and significantly more than a hybrid vehicle. Add on those big heavy cars are chewing through tires at twice the rate of a normal car along with the car depreciating twice as fast as other cars

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119608982#Comment_119608982

• The Nissan Note uses ~5L per 100km, so that's €9.25 for 100km of range. The worst night time tariff is around €0.15c per kWh, but even if we took your inflated figure, it's less than half the price of the petrol and for a far more comfortable drive. Only small battery EVs will be charged from low to full a few times a week. Most modern EVs only need charging once a week, or a few top-ups per week to keep her brimming. Night rate is not just for EVs, it makes a lot of sense when running equipment while you sleep. Pre-EV, my spend would have been break-even on night rate, as we tended to run washing machine, dishwasher, shower etc on offpeak hours as a matter of course.
• I agree the grant is absolutely gobbled up by price gouging and have said so in other threads. However, a basic home charger can be got and installed using the grant and the homeowner can get this done for little or no money if they shop around. Alternatively, they can just charge up with the granny charger which would give enough overnight charge for a 100km round commute.
• For old batteries, you might be correct, but not for modern ones. I just sold a 2012 Nissan Leaf with 110k klms on the clock and it still had close to 80% battery remaining....and this is with old Leaf chemistry which is prone to degradation. I will concede that plenty of these cars (2011-2013) have seen higher degradation, but mainly due to the owners rapid charging them frequently. I also have a 2014 Leaf with 105k klms and greater than 80% battery. The battery degradation argument is a non issue these days. ICE vehicles also lose efficiency and range per fill. They're not exactly efficient to begin with.
• You can't be looking very hard on the EV sales side, because cars older than 10 years, let alone 5 years are being snapped up almost as soon as they are advertised. Even the short range ones are being sought after to be used as run arounds....perfect for the shop or the school runs. The chances of them developing a big fault is waaay lower than the equivalent ICE. Every other day at my office I hear about people being hit with expensive repair and maintenance bills on their ICE cars, but that's anectdotal, so I will leave that there. Owners of short range EVs <100km tend to stick to the limits of their car and don't plan cross country commutes too often, so the nervous wrecks are few and far between.
• The reality is that the arguments you have put forward have been debunked years ago and just show that people need to be a little educated on the subject before putting forward the same old snippets we are bored of. Batteries, range, cost of running etc etc etc we have heard it all. When people start talking about tyre wear, I start to fall asleep. EVs are becoming more popular. They are an easy purchase....but you just have to wait a while because demand is a lot higher than expected. I can drive from one side of the country to the other and back without a charge and at a fraction of the cost of petrol/diesel. That's a modern EV.

TitianGerm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119608982#Comment_119608982

Wrong wrong wrong.

1. The Energia EV rate is a 12 month FIXED RATE tariff. Everyone who signs up to this tariff gets a letter to confirm the rate is fixed.

2A. No EV user chargers their car from 0% to 100% three times a week. Most drivers will charge between 20% to 80% for most occasions. Most EVs now will do 300km per charge so by you suggesting that they need to charge every night that would equate to 2,100 km per week. I'd say there's a miniscule amount of people in Ireland putting up that milage every week.

2B. The night time allowance of 2,000 is per two month period not per annum.

2C. 2,000 units divided by 8 charges is 250kWh per charge. Is there even an EV with that size battery?

2D. You're miles off on the rates and your "facts" are just wrong. By all means you can show us these T&C to show you are correct.

3. My home charger install was €700 after grant. Even allowing for a 50% increase in price that's around €1K now. That €1,000 would be eaten up by fuel cost savings very very quickly. Of all the EV drivers on Boards and the Irish EV Facebook there's not been many reports of failures of chargers. But I am sure there are a number.

4A. Only the very first Leaf are showing massive battery degredation. Plenty of other older EVs on the road showing very little. And assume you are correct that an EV becomes a driving nightmare at 70% capacity, why is it that? Surely that car at 70% doing 150-200km would be a perfect second family car or town run around for someone?

4B. I don't know anything about Tesla warranties so can't comment here but Hyundai have an 8 year 180,000km warranty on their battery. Sounds like they're pretty confident in their technology.

5. Older EVs are being snapped up and selling for more now than two years ago on DD. I actually bought a 28KW Ioniq last month with 135K KM on the clock. It's still showing 100% battery and is perfect for my use case which is approximately 150km per week. I also sold my two year old ID3 for a few thousand more than I bought it new. I placed the add on DD and it was gone two hours later. I had four PMs on here enquiring about it and another five people on DD.

6A. An EV cost about 25% of the cost of an ICE to run. No way in hell is a Hybrid cheaper to run over a similar journey.

6B. Good tyres will last you. A person's driving style can also affect wear. There's plenty of reports of people getting similar mileage from the same tyres between an ICE and an EV.

6C. EVs are depreciating at a far lower rate than ICE vehicles. In many cases they are actually appreciating in value.

From reading your posts I get the impression that a lot of your knowledge of EVs is gathered from the boys at the bar counter on a Friday evening.

...Ghost...

I missed the Tesla warranty comment. Just to chime in….

AnF Chuckie egg

Again lets stick to facts

Nissan note power-e uses 2.7L/100 klm not the 5L you quote. So at costs at current petrol prices €4.96

EV on the best day will use about 20KwH/100klm = €3 on the headline night rate which is not a true indication of cost, the real cost is at least 25c/kwH which equates to €4.80/100Klm (out of interest it's €9.60 now if you use an ESB charger)

As for tires, it may sound like a silly argument and you can make little of it but it's fairly significant when Cars are doing only 7-10k on a new set.

Now I'm all for full EVs but not with Irish Electricity prices and Irish Car prices plus when you honestly add up al the costs of owning an EV it's just a stupid fad

For pure Value for money, and best economy it is the Note power-e which has been the most popular car in Japan over the last 5 years,

AnF Chuckie egg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609327#Comment_119609327

Wrong yourself, you are taking parts from two different plans. Current plans available are 33c day 16c night with 3000kwh bi monthly allowance.

Old plan which was quoted to me at 10c night, I rightly pointed out had a 2000kwh annual allowance

AnF Chuckie egg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609382#Comment_119609382

Again stick to facts,

Warranty is for 70% of Capacity. Capacity is allowed to be up to 10% off quoted capacity day 0 so what they are really saying is we can Guarantee the battery will be at 63% of capacity (provided you did XYZ by 100)

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609444#Comment_119609444

You're arguing facts on a screenshot of my warranty? I mentioned nothing about percentage. Take a deep breath.

Based on experience....I reckon I will be grand though.

TitianGerm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609386#Comment_119609386

For a guy who likes facts you're doing a great job of making an absolute dogs dinner of yours.

1. Nissan quote the e-Power power train as doing 4.6L/100km.

https://www.nissan.com.sg/vehicles/new/noteepower/Performance.html#:~:text=It%20combines%20a%20100%25%20electric,L%2F100km%20on%20your%20drives!

Can you provide a source to your claimed 2.7L/100km?

2. My Ioniq 28 does 15.2kWh/100km. My Ioniq 5 is currently around 17kWh/100km. My ID3 was doing 16kWh/100km. Plenty of evidence of Model 3 doing sub 15kWh/100km.

Can you provide a source for your claimed 20kWh/100km on the "best" of days?

Why is the real cost 25c/kWh? I pay 9c at night rate and 33c per day unit now. My BG deal was due to go to 14c and 29c or there about from early October.

3. I had 12,000 km on my ID3 and the tyres were about half done when I sold it. Others on Boards are reporting 35,000km on their original tyres.

Do you have a report to show the average usable life 9f tyres on an EV is 7,000-10,000km?

4. Pure whataboutery. Car prices across the board are going through the roof and the cost of an equivalent ICE and EV are not that far apart.

5. The issue with that is you'd have to drive a Nissan Note.

TitianGerm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609425#Comment_119609425

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

https://www.energia.ie/plans-and-switching-info/ev

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609386#Comment_119609386

I mistakenly quoted the Note, rather thant the Note e-Power. What do you think will happen to that efficiency rating as the tiny 1.54kWh battery degrades to nothing and stops aiding the ICE engine....now only a dead weight further reducing the mpg 😂

Yes, tires are a silly argument, as there are plenty who sensibly drive their EV and plenty who rally their ICE cars like they are at mondello on their way to work. Driving style make all the difference. I changed tires on my Leafs less regularly than on any of my petrol cars.

You said you are pro ev (all for full EVs), but then say on an EVs best day it will use 20kWh/100km. Complete hogwash and straight from the old man on the pub stool. Look through these threads for screenshots proving otherwise.

I didn't buy a Tesla for economy admittedly, but it is about the most efficient road car you can drive. Even if the battery degraded to 50%, it would still be far more efficient than a Note e-Power with a dead battery booster. Toyota figured that out years ago with their Prius....and Nissan, who were EV pioneers have gone and made the same dud mistake. Shameful really.

AnF Chuckie egg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609492#Comment_119609492

https://youtu.be/1RPTrJzCRE0

Nissan figures are even slightly better than 2.7L/100klm

Average EV power consumption is 201wh/100klm := https://ev-database.org/cheatsheet/energy-consumption-electric-car

Why is the real cost 25c/kWh?

Because you need to factor in the higher rate you pay on Daytime Electric use, the higher standing tariff plus the PSO levie. Then add on the fact that the charging system is only about 90% efficient when you factor in heat losses, and energy consumption of the cooling system on the fast charge batteries

Do you have a report to show the average usable life 9f tyres on an EV is 7,000-10,000km?

Get one from the Boardies you are using or you might have a read of https://cleanfleetreport.com/tech-why-dont-tires-last-as-long-on-an-ev/

or I can give you a link to a paid report if you want.

Pure whataboutery. Car prices across the board are going through the roof and the cost of an equivalent ICE and EV are not that far apart.

New EV car prices start at €43000

New ICE car prices start at €16500

AnF Chuckie egg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609488#Comment_119609488

No, what I am saying is the so called Warranty amounts to jack ****. You tried to associate a warranty with the lifespan of the battery.

Hence always read the small print instead of the big Money off for sale sign

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609647#Comment_119609647

I posted a picture of the warranty because I saw the other poster mentioned it. YOU made the association to suit your narrative. I made no such association or assertions other than to post the warranty was 8 years or 160k klms. I wasn't even aware of the battery percentage level that was covered.....but

70 odd percent after 160k klms or 8 years sounds pretty confident to me......and based on my personal experience of actually owning EVs.....I doubt that warranty will be needed. At 70%, I would still have a range well above 300km per charge.

I don't see ICE vehicles coming with any guarantees on fuel efficiency, which we all know get less range per fill as the cars age and rack up miles.

What is the warranty on that Note E-Power with regards the tiny battery?

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609637#Comment_119609637

You're talking about a Nissan and yet you list EV starting prices at 43k. Ever heard of a Leaf? Plenty of other EVs at lower prices. What sh1t box would you be driving at 16.5k anyway? C'mon lad, it looks like you're trolling now.

AnF Chuckie egg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609738#Comment_119609738

leaf is an EV, the note-e is hybrid.

fook all EVs to be got under 40k other than glorified Golf buggies.

New Dacia's can be got for 16.5k, might be a sh1t box for you though

AnF Chuckie egg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609701#Comment_119609701

No you posted the screen grab to try and imply that the Battery is Guaranteed to be within 70% of capacity by 100k miles. I rightly pointed out that that same warranty has small print which shows they only guarantee the same battery to 63% of original capacity. Not the 70% which you again have tried to imply.

As I said before A laptop or phone with a battery only having half life is still usable. An EV with a battery down to 63% or lower of capacity is knackered.

Nissan note e only needs 1kwh battery so even if it degrades it can be easily replaced without taking out a second Mortgage.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609777#Comment_119609777

Correct. The Leaf is an EV. We are on the same page there.

EVs for under 40k (warning....some may be considered golf buggies by some):

• Fiat 500e €24,995
• Opel Corsa-e SC €27,322
• Renault Zoe Ze50 Play 56kwh €27,750
• Nissan Leaf 40 €28,145
• Peugeot e-208 50kwh: €29,105
• Hyundai Kona 67kwh €30,995
• Mini Cooper SE €31,715
• Volkswagen Id 3 Life €32.966
• Opel Mokka €34,000
• Kia Soul €37,513
• Hyundai Ioniq €38,495
• BMW i3 €39,695
• Skoda Enyaq €39.495

There are more, but you get my point by now I hope.

New Dacias are indeed sh!t boxes...not just to me.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609803#Comment_119609803

😂😂😂

No. I posted a screen grab because I saw another poster mention the warranty and being unfamiliar with it. I was (and still am) not sure of the percentage covered under that warranty, so I couldn't have implied anything of the sort.

Are you suggesting that my car with a range of over 300km will be knackered? Because that's what the range would be on my Model 3. My 24kWh Leaf has a range of around 100km and it's far from "knackered" I can tell you that. Great car and used daily.

Nissan note will be less efficient the moment that battery starts to degrade....and small batteries doing more work degrade a hell of alot faster than larger ones doing the same work. In the winter, that 1.5kWh battery won't even hold 1kWh of power, so it will already be way below the claimed efficiency. There is a reason your youtube video was recorded in Malaysia. Any guess as to why? Here's a hint; warm climate, happy battery, short life.

You should ask Nissan how much it will cost to replace the tiny battery, but before you do....google the cost to replace the prius one of a similar size.

DaveyDave

I didn't read the last few posts but an EV using 20kWh/100km on its best day? That made me laugh. This person got 13kWh over 10,000km in a Cupra Born. Plenty of people getting 14-16kWh in the Summer including motorway driving.

I've never seen someone talk such nonsense to fit their narrative. If you like a less efficient hybrid that's perfectly ok, you don't have to ignore facts and disagree with everything along the way!

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609898#Comment_119609898

The claims get better. Don't miss out.....no EVs outside of glorified golf buggies can be got for under 40k 😂

AnF Chuckie egg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609898#Comment_119609898

That price list is out of date, you cannot get most of the cars on the list due to Battery supply issues. (Basically they can't make them for that price anymore)

The note e battery is more of a hybrid between a battery and a capacitor, it doesn't need to hold huge amounts of charge. I think you have no understanding of the drivetrain in the Nissan so best read up a bit first before commenting.

Nissan charge $1800 for a new Battery, but you can get them for less in Japan.

The reason it was recorded in Maylaysia is because it is only available in Asia at the moment. The same technology is coming to some of the Nissan car range here in late 2022/early 2023.

You can stay driving around you EVs, that's your business. All I was pointing out was that the economics of them EVs is a joke and cannot be taken seriously by anyone other than a blinkered tunnel vision idiot

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609970#Comment_119609970

The price list is only a couple of months old. Prices are prettry spot on, as I had ordered a Leaf end of March and ordered a Model 3 last month. Plenty of EVs under 40k, but darn those inconvenient facts.

I understand the tech well enough. I don't need an advertisement from Nissan to educate myself, thanks.

Would love to see how much you could land one of those batteries for. Not 1800 that's for damn sure. And have you considered cost of fitting?

Car not available in Japan? Just available in a country straddling the equator for the efficiency test lol. Can't wait to see the efficiency at 0 degrees C.

I will indeed drive my EVs happily and will continue to correct the sort of utter nonsense you have spouted here. The economics of owning an EV are sound. I was able to afford running mine as a college student. Couldn't have done the same in any ICE car. Mind you.....the leccy was free on the public chargers near my campus too 🤤

I have some anecdotal evidence on tyre and battery wear on three EVs we have driven from new:

LEAF24: Two front tyres replaced at 52k km. One rear tyre before that was replaced at 24k due to puncture damage. One original rear tyre remained when we traded in the car 71k. The car had a battery health of 90+% when we traded her in. The battery warranty was 70% at 100k km or 5 years.

LEAF40: All 4 tyres replaced at 6Xk km as they were getting close to the wear markings. Car traded in at 74k with those tyres at battery health of 91%. The battery warranty on that car was 70% or better at 160k km or 8 years.

Model 3 LR: The car is currently on all original tyres at 48k km. I suspect we'll need to replace all 4 by 60k km. I haven't bothered checking the battery stats but the car reports 385 km range at 73% which translates to 527 km for 100%. I think this is about 5-15 km less than when it was new? The battery warranty is 192k km/8 years against failure whatever that is.

If you do genuinely high miles per year: My maths say that with 2000 kWh per billing period (12000 kWh per year) of night time electricity LEAF/Model 3 at long term efficiency of 15 kWh/100 km + losses (so say 20 kWh/100 km) can be driven 60000 km per annum. We have used 40000 kWh of night time electricity since September 2015 when our meter was changed and have driven 190k km total over the past 7 years in that time.

Not sure how much of that was with home charging alone as we have done two return trips to Finland, several UK trips alongside Irish trips past the range of the car(s). But that's 27k km per year on average since we moved to BEV, much higher than the national average I'd say, but still not close to breaching the 2000 units per bill.

AnF Chuckie egg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609931#Comment_119609931

Plenty of people not getting anywhere near the manufactured quoted mileage rates. As stated the average is 20wh/100klm, yes you can find a golf buggy to do better but it's nothing more than a short journey runabout and will not have a large battery. You simply can't add 750kgs of Battery onto the floor of a car without needing extra power to move the Car, and that's why as the range of the Car is increased with a bigger battery it's efficiency drops.

Facts are facts, its costing 25c/kwh to charge the Car. the average price in California one of the cheapest states in the US for electricity is about 18 cents per kilowatt hour (kWh)

AnF Chuckie egg

As requested.