Which do you think will happen first? A Woman having a baby in space, a woman having a baby on Mars

AMKC

A Trans Woman or Women having a baby or babies?

I think a Woman will have a baby in space first then a Trans Woman or Women will have a baby or babies and then eventually a Woman or Women on Mars will have a baby or babies and I think that will all happen in if not the next 50 years definitely the next 100 years.

Gregor Samsa

My money's on a Mars bar having a trans space baby. Or Babies.

CPTM

I don't think any of that will happen in the next 100 years personally. So many things have to happen before we send a pregnant woman anywhere near Mars or Space. We haven't even sent qualified astronauts to Mars let alone builders to build a hospital or doctors to receive and look after the pregnant woman and child. Unless you think she's just hop off a shuttle and give birth on the Marshan plains without any infrastructure around her.. I think it will happen someday but not within 100 years.

growleaves

There are signs that we are going backwards in terms of technological progress.

The last time someone walked on the moon was 1975 whereas we are... talking of banning cars without a satisfactory replacement (shared public transport is a substandard replacement for private vehicles).

Miracle of science vaccines invented yesterday DO NOT give sterilising immunity.

Contrary to the hype, human technological progress seems to have peaked in the 20th century.

AMKC

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I disagree with you. I definitely think a Trans Woman or even more than one will have a baby or babies in the next 50 years. Yes it will be complicated and might mean a lot of anti rejection drugs or maybe they will have found some other way to it by then. It will be news headlines and will be good news. Yes some people might not be happy about it but over time they will.

AMKC

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I disagree. You have obviously not seen the leaps and bounds that Space X have been making in space rockets. They are fully reusable and can land upright too. Electric cars are becoming more popular by the day and the ICE engine thankfully is on its way out. We have more medical drugs then ever before so people with aids can live a normal life, people with cancer have a better chance of beating it now than ever before thanks to advances in medicine's. We have better communications than we have ever had with mobiles and video calling. I think we have a long way to go but doubt that our advances peaked in the 20th century.

seamus

Out of all of those options, a birth in space seems the least likely. It's only something that would happen accidentally, were a woman to be unknowingly pregnant before leaving or to get pregnant while on an extended space flight.

The danger is enormous. Liquids don't do what you want them to do in zero gravity. Liquid like bloods, piss and sh1te. Even as an experiment it would be monstrous, the dangers to mother and baby completely unacceptable.

In terms of longer spaceflight missions, this is under discussion to be mitigated. It is unreasonable to expect a mixed-sex crew on a journey of several months will never bump uglies. In general the aim would be to prioritise sending up married couples who have both taken permanent forms of birth control. (Vasectomy and Tubal ligation) Not only would this eliminate the odds of a pregnancy in space, but would also reduce any potential emotional conflict and turmoil from "unauthorised fraternising".

In the list, I'd say a transgender woman having a child is likely the first on the list. Uterus transplant is already a thing, children have been successfully born from it. And while there are a few more hurdles to transplant a uterus into a body which has never had one, it's not insurmountable. The ethics are obviously the big one here, but there are many places in this world where you can go to bypass the ethics and arrive home pregnant.

Within 50 years it won't be common for trans women to have babies, but it will be unremarkable.

A birth on Mars requires a permanent colony on Mars. The first settlers will be hand-picked so as pregnancy becomes impossible - like a long spaceflight - but once you have some form of permanent habitation and medical facilities (if we get that far), then the next wave of settlers will undoubtedly involve a pregnancy. Should be no biggie. You still have gravity.

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118361186#Comment_118361186

You don't need to give birth in zero g - see this https://www.facebook.com/ScienceGallery/photos/a.372717142971.154003.55659842971/10151962418507972/?type=1

Technical stuff : Patent No. 3,216,423: Apparatus for Facilitating the Birth of a Child by Centrifugal Force, Patented November 9, 1965

@mr_fegelien

Did you hook up with @mr_fegelien recently or something @AMKC ?

Riddle101

I have to question the logic around having a baby in space.

Firstly, consider the health complications that could occur from giving birth in space. A low gravity environment is not an ideal place for giving birth as the lack of gravity could mean that a baby's body won't function properly as it hasn't adapted to the Earth's gravity, which could lead to deformities or health issues. I assume that the pregnant woman is living in space because if she was living on Earth and decided to go into space to give birth then you'd have to consider that the woman would need a space shuttle to get into space and I seriously doubt the flight up to space would be healthy for the baby too. I'd be worried that the woman might have a miscarriage if she attempted space flight while heavily pregnant.

Secondly, money is a factor. How expensive would it be to have a baby in space? I'd say the woman or family would need to be wealthy to pay for the costs because a regular woman on an average salary wouldn't be able to afford something like that. We're talking about a spaceship for giving birth, medical staff to help with the pregnancy, medical equipment for use during the birth, accommodation for all, etc.

Personally, I think it would be impractical having a baby in space. Too costly, too reckless, and just seems to be one of those cases where science would only benefit from it but that would just mean the birth in space was an experiment and then I'd have to question the ethics behind it. I don't think it's worth it, but that's just me.

Having a baby on mars might work if Mars has been colonized and a controlled environment is in place to have the baby, but even then i'd say you're better off having a baby on Earth.

Freddie Mcinerney

Bowie said there is life on Mars.

Wanderer78

think musk and besos will ride each other in space, they ll have a competition to who gives birth first from there.....

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118360983#Comment_118360983

Bit of a correction. The last man to walk on the moon was '72. Gene Cernan on Apollo 17.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118361038#Comment_118361038

Medicine has certainly come on in leaps and bounds that's for sure. Electric cars are coming on alright, but it'll be while before ICE vehicles will be in the rearview mirror. Trucks for one. Ships another unless we go nuclear. Long distance trains another issue. Batteries by weight are just not nearly as energy dense as fossil fuels yet. Hydrogen is maybe a possibility but it's athundering whoer to store and transport and unless you burn it in pure O2 it's not that "clean" either.

SpaceX are doing some cool things alright, but it's low earth orbit. Going beyond that is a whole other ballgame and the energies and complexities involved go way up. Going to the Moon was a massive undertaking and they were short shoot and scoot missions around a week in length, going to Mars is yet another level up in energy and complexity. Getting into orbit is kinda like doggie paddling beyond the breakers on Dolymount strand, going to the Moon was like swimming to Lambay island, going to Mars would be like swimming to Wales. And then there's the danger. Apollo 13 was an example of where things could go badly wrong and funny enough they were daftly "lucky" because of when and where their fubar happened. If it had happened earlier in the mission they'd not have enough resources to slingshot around the Moon and get back to Earth. Dead. If it had happened later after they had been on the Moon they'd be equally screwed as far as lack of resources and their "lifeboat" and it's engine the lunar lander would have been on the Moon or in its orbit. Dead. Anything even close to that on a Mars mission and game over.

I think what has been lacking in some ways are "Big Science" stuff. The more obvious stuff. Like Moon landings and being able to book a supersonic flight across the Atlantic. The 20th century was also a time of unparalleled rapid advances. We've never seen a century like it. In 1900 the phone was a rare to see luxury item, radios ditto, cinema was a black and white novelty and powered flight hadn't happened yet and atoms were the preserve of academics. By the 1940's we had telly(as a luxury) and the talkies in colour, radios in every home and phones in many, jets and rockets in the sky and atomic bombs. Ten years on we had atomic power, spaceflight and then ten years after that colour telly, the transister, man on the moon and sipping martinis at mach 2 and even ordinary people could get a sniff of the "jet set". Never mind two world wars and massive shifts in art and culture that would have been near unrecognisable to people from even a few decades earlier. Fashions alone would have raised eyebrows. I would say the 20th century was the century of futurism and modernism, though it wasn't so neatly bookended by the calendar. I'd put it more between the building of the Eiffel tower in paris and the building of the Pompidou centre in the same city. Someone born when the first was being built and living a hundred years until the second would have seen a pace of change no other human could have imagined at any time in our history.

So post say 1980, or 1990 not a lot has apparently happened to compare to that, beyond the rise of the internet, which was "our" huge moment. Things became more incremental. Look at fashion. If someone was to wear fashionable everyday clothes of 1970 in 1950 they'd almost certainly be stared at, if someone was to wear fashionable everyday clothes of today in 2000 they'd blend right in.

ZX7R

Probably won't be any natural births in space for the forcibly.

I could see eggs been artificially fertilised and the fetus been terminated after a period of time.

Mars would be the most logical place for a birth.

SamStonesArm

Earth is in space, theres already been billions of people born in space, /pedantry

Loafing Oaf

you forgot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118367700#Comment_118367700

Foreseeable

ZX7R

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368900#Comment_118368900

Yeah

cj maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118367015#Comment_118367015

No, he asked is there life on Mars. ( see Boardsies are contrary thread 😄😄)

NSAman

Well, we have already had a woman give birth in a manger by an unknown father, surrounded by three “wise” men supposedly the daddy is a “sky god”..so who knows?

touts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118361002#Comment_118361002

Can't see it happening in the next 50 years. The medical complexities are just far too great and there is no way any government will sanction the medical experiments needed to make it happen. You are looking at a 100+ year technology leap even at the accelerated rate of technological change we are currently in. It will probably happen but not in the life time of anyone currently alive.

As to the original question which will happen first a baby in space or a baby on Mars. My first gut reaction was the baby on Mars. Space travel is dangerous and the medical equipment won't be on a space station if something goes wrong with the birth. But Mars is pretty much a one way trip so people will have sex and babies once they get there.

But as I wrote that I realised that relied on the people making the decision caring more about the health and safety of the mother and baby than the PR boost and having the first baby born in space is exactly the sort of PR stunt someone like Musk or Bezos would love. In the next 10 years someone will do it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368900#Comment_118368900

Yes, this was 😄

Will we see a trans trans person first?

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369565#Comment_118369565

I disagree with you on your first paragraph. It will happen hopefully in the next 50 years sometime because like man going to Mars I want to be alive to witness this great achievement and advancement of humankind.

touts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118370904#Comment_118370904

I hear you. But just look at the required medical advancements required and the current stage of development. We would have to create an artificial womb external to the human body that can bring an embryo from implantation to birth and we are decades away from that. Then we would have to create a way to have that adapted to be integrated into the body of a trans woman. It would be great if trans women could have all their hopes and dreams realised but to say it will happen in less than 50 years is simply impractical especially as the required testing of such medical technology would be hugely complex and difficult as failure could result in catastrophic damage to the trans woman and the unborn child.

AMKC

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Nothing new there. That has already happened multiple times maybe even hundreds or thousands of times already. I not know of there is statistics for this but it would be interesting if there was for the amount of mtf as well as ftm and also mtftm and ftmtf. I would say mtf is the most popular and why not. I mean who would honestly want to be a male if you had a choice? I would say mtftm is the least popular but of course I could be wrong. I am just guessing.

AMKC

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We would have to create an artificial womb external to the human body that can bring an embryo from implantation to birth and we are decades away from that.

Not at all. It's just a matter of transplanting a womb, ovaries and fallopian tube from a cis/Gg Woman to a TransWoman. That has already been done from Woman to Woman so why not from Woman to TransWoman especially if they transitioned early in life the changes of it been a success should be higher because they never became a man in the first place even do they were born a boy. The hardest parts would be making it work in a body not used to them and that body adapting to it and needing lots of anti rejection drugs so the body does not reject the parts.

Wibbs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118372673#Comment_118372673

I mean who would honestly want to be a male if you had a choice?

Eh... wut? Granted women do live longer and have more advantageous social supports and the current trend in some sectors of western(the rest of the world doesn't think like this) society is leaning towards being pussy struck/Women(tm) are the better gender utter ballsology, but given the choice I'd choose male. For a start no men's magazine has ever printed the article; How to have an orgasm. 😁 Never mind the lower levels of neuroticism, anxiety and the like. Though men could do with dialling agresssion right back. While there most certainly have been women pioneers and great thinkers and more to the point doers, pretty much everything around you that you take for granted from the laws and society and mores you value, the very device you're typing this on, to the house you live in and the furniture you sit on was imagined, designed and built by someone with the oul meat and two veg in the nethers. Including spaceflight itself. If we took all the women pioneers in history out of the human equation we'd most certainly be a much lesser species today and the loss would be very keenly felt, but if you took all the men pioneers out of the human equation we'd be sitting in a cave picking fleas off each other. No? Next time you need somwhere to live, or your washing machine conks out, or your drains back up, or your car breaks down, or you switch on a light, or turn on the gas on your cooker. Take men out of the equation and get back to me. If someone wants to buy into the "goddess" stuff, knock yourself out, burn sage and fiddle with crystals if you like, but it's a first world musing of the bored and boring cosseted suburbanite who can afford to muse on esoteric bollocks, so let's not lose the run of ourselves here.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118372692#Comment_118372692

So a pipedream perversion of nature with so many ethical issues that would or should task the greatest minds decades to unravel and to no great end beyond "oh I reckon we can do that"? Yeah.... No.

touts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118372673#Comment_118372673

I'm sorry but the statement "who would honestly want to be a male if you had a choice?" is deeply offensive and would not be tolerated if made in reverse. We have been respectful of you. Please extend that same courtesy to others.

AMKC

So a pipedream perversion of nature with so many ethical issues that would or should task the greatest minds decades to unravel and to no great end beyond "oh I reckon we can do that"? Yeah.... No.

The great end would be that now people who were born into the wrong body can now become almost the full gender they always wanted to be ie: Female and to carry and have babies too. Yes they might not be able to give birth to the baby naturally with the first ones it would havecto be a C section but eventually yes and it could work the opposite way too with a Tranman getting a fully functioning testicles and penis although how I am not sure on that yet so as current ethi s do not allow for the transfer of tedticles from one man to another never mind from a man to a transman because of genes and the babies deciding who there father might be in later life. That could get very confusing even if the person who donated the testicles etc was dead.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118375572#Comment_118375572

Ye alright maybe I went a bit overboard there on that statement. Who knows maybe some males do have a good life and enjoy being male and good for them. I have nothing against males by the way. Never meant or set out to offend anyone.

touts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118376314#Comment_118376314

"Maybe some males do have a good life"

You really need to stop and think about what you are saying before you say it.

I have a very good life and I am very happy with my gender. I do not need you or anyone else coming along telling me I should be unhappy with my life based on their narrow view of life. You would not accept it. Why do you think I should.

You're clearly in denial touts 😆

And of course the absolute ideal is for males to be happy to be males and females to be happy to be females. I suspect some are horrified by that concept.

Archeron

I think the intention will be to have the first baby on Mars, but the mum will go into labour halfway there. They will pull into a Space Tesco car park to deliver the baby and it will be a happy coincidence that Theresa in the bakery section is also a qualified midwife and the delivery goes perfectly.

The new mum will name the baby Space Tesco in gratitude and will receive ten years free shopping from the megastore.