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Authorities in England failed to save the life of an abused child.

  • 03-12-2021 2:38pm
    Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭ political analyst

    A photo of a bruise on the victim was taken by the victim's grandmother, who warned the authorities about the horror that was inflicted on the boy. However, no action was taken by the authorities to protect the child.

    How could police and social workers not think that the photo of the bruise, which can be seen in the article above, was proof of a crime being committed against the child?

    Such failure has happened in England time and time again in the past 3 decades. The cynical view may be that social services in England have been too busy taking the children of innocent parents into care (Just look-up forced adoption on Google) to rescue actual victims.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,233 ✭✭✭✭ Gatling

    @political analyst the same would happen here ,one photograph of a bruise doesn't always happen to be abuse ,

    I have had several dealing with tusla here to report concerns about a child at risk only to be told unless they witness an incident or the gardai they cannot act ,this was an absolutely horrific case ,that could have easily been prevented ,

    Langley , Virginia

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,729 ✭✭✭ Be right back

    Dreadful stuff. The poor child had a very difficult start from the very beginning.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,033 ✭✭✭ Jequ0n

    It’s easy to judge the social workers without having adequate information at hand. I don’t even want to imagine how their workload increased with lockdown and people going crazy.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,617 ✭✭✭ Claw Hammer

    I blame the parents!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 653 ✭✭✭ DarkJager21

    A sickening story to read, those 2 subhuman scum do not deserve jail sentences - they should be beaten to death as slow as possible. Hopefully they will never see the outside of prison again.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,741 ✭✭✭ SouthWesterly

  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Ahmed Spoiled Pacemaker

    On Loose Women of all things one of them defended the social workers pretty well. They're faced with massive workloads and some extreme cases. They're dealing with weapons, drug abuse, all that good ****. If they visit a house that's clean and tidy and the parents are friendly and the kid seems ok then it's a case that is low-priority.

  • Registered Users Posts: 20,625 ✭✭✭✭ Podge_irl

    I have difficulty believing that they have to witness an incident to be able to act. The central tenant of child abuse is that it happens at home. The entire agency would be pointless if that was a factor.

    I can imagine someone may have said that, but I don't believe that its true.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭ political analyst

    The difference is that we don't know whether people in authority suspected there was something wrong in the family in your area.

  • Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭ Perseverance The Second

    It's not that surprising when you remember how rampant grooming gangs are across numerous different swathes of British society.

    It would be more surprising if they were successful at stopping child abuse at this point.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭ Ellie2008

    An earlier post refers to social workers taking kids off “innocent” parents. It seems in a way that they are damned if they do or don’t.

    This case is horrific. I’m normally fairly moderate about prison sentences but the pair of them tortured that poor child for months on end. Both of them are despicable & the father have gotten the same sentence - life, no parole. I believe in second chances but not for torturing children. I understand that abuse & neglect can happen when parents can’t cope but this is another level. The father should have given his son to his grandparents who seemed to care about him. Why he left him in a house where he was hated is beyond me.

    That video is unreal a 6 year old knowing full well that he was unloved. It’s overwhelming thinking about how alone he must have felt. Most kids get up in the morning surrounded by their toys running to get breakfast. And the poor little fellow telling teachers his father was going to kill him, & all the insecurity he felt when his mother went to prison & his father reacted to it by saying he was too babyish.

    I had a baby in Covid who only saw a public health nurse in his first weeks, all the normal checks are gone. I feel dread thinking about all the child abuse that isn’t being picked up.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭ political analyst

    My point was that the cynical view may be that social services are too busy taking children away from innocent parents. In other words, I was saying that it's a perception - not necessarily that it's true. Regarding false accusations, look at the following case:

    To add to my point, why is it that social services have failed to take children (e.g. Baby Peter, Daniel Pelka) away from actually abusive parents in so many cases in England? Are social workers being influences by what I'd describe as 'reverse snobbery', meaning they're taking children away from respectable (middle-class in many cases) parents while letting bad parents like Tracey Connelly and the excuse for a man who was supposed to be Arthur's dad off the hook?

  • Registered Users Posts: 854 ✭✭✭ Mike Murdock

    And just like the Baby P case, Social Services in the UK will bleat on and on that "lessons will be learned".

    Until the next time.

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    Poor kid. Think his birthmam is a convicted killer too

  • Posts: 18,752 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]

    No. Nothing like that. Social services job is to keep families together and help them stay together unless it cannot happen.

    This case is terrible, devastating and horrendous. But it's nothing to do with social status, race or anything else. It's a terrible failure of systems. Unfortunately, it does sometimes happen 😔

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭ Northernlily

    Horrific and heinous crime. The little man never stood a change. All the pictures I see of him are of him smiling from ear to ear. He looked happy with his father at a point (the picture of him in the Birmingham city jersey comes to my mind, father and son enjoying the football) and this evil wench must have parked herself in the fathers head and he failed to do his duty to protect his son and in fact got involved in the abuse. As another poster pointed out, not a real man but a weak shell of an excuse for a man.

    It beggers belief such evil exists. Authorities and civil servants abdicating their responsibilities have a lot to answer for. We have the same type here.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭ Xander10

    Is it true, that bitch Tustin brought up two children of her own in the house in a fairly normal manner?

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,729 ✭✭✭ Be right back

    Gone but not forgotten. Lovely gesture.

  • Registered Users Posts: 998 ✭✭✭ TooTired123

    She’d had 2 serious suicide attempts. Threw herself from a roof each time. Her children were taken into care at 1 stage but she got them back. She should never have been allowed to be around children. Something wrong with him too. The girl he had Arthur with is in prison for murder, then he just moved on to the next psychopathic evil bitch.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭ political analyst

    Arthur's mother, Olivia, was found guilty of manslaughter and sentence to 11 years in prison.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,682 ✭✭✭ political analyst

    The following article contains references to the killings of children who were known to social services in Britain since 1944.