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Formula 1 Round 21 Saudia Arabia GP



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭ quokula

    Yep. As we saw in this race, he can just run wide and not collide with Hamilton, then slow down and hand Hamilton the place, and still get penalised. Imagine if he ever actually did something like what Hamilton did at Silverstone, instant DSQ from the championship.

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,408 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Weepsie

    Why not use the precedent they set then from that decision for verstappen. Poor communication and sight lines ..

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭ Anjobe

    Maybe because the main cause of the collision was Verstappen’s eratic hard braking rather than any lack of communication? The stewards explained this clearly in their penalty decision.

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,408 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Weepsie

    Yes they did, but their explanation for the Hamilton one is not an explanation. It's a piss poor excuse to let him away with dangerous on track behaviour that he is whinging about himself.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,438 ✭✭✭✭ blade1

    And after all the hullabaloo both drivers ended up in probably the same positions they would have if there was no red flags or safety cars.

  • Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭ redlad12

  • Registered Users Posts: 42,881 ✭✭✭✭ Mitch Connor

    Doesn't count you see. Verstappen is allowed to take any line, from any distance and drive in any direction he wants - thats just racing.

    Hamilton trys to send one up the inside? Attempted murder.

    Vertappen 'attempts' to send one up the inside - well thats just good old hard racing!

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭ Hijpo

    If Vertsappens front tags Hamiltons rear on a corner even though there is acres of space being left for him then people would 100% call Verstappen out on it.

    From the penalties at the weekend it's clear Verstappen doesn't get away with stuff so I don't know where that notion comes from.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,060 ✭✭✭✭ Faugheen

    Put the general consensus on boards is that they’re racing incidents, or ‘but but Silverstone’.

    Go back to the Monza thread and look at everyone who said it was a racing incident. They are in the vast majority even though Verstappen had zero chance of making that corner but tried to bulldoze his way through anyway.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭ Hijpo

    It was in reply to the "attempted murder" comment which is clearly the Silverstone accident.

    If verstappens front tagged Hamiltons rear in Monza then yes it's clear he was no where near the corner. As it happened they were pretty much level at the apex, Hamilton continued to squeeze, Verstappen had no room, hit the sausage kerb and his rear tyre ran up Hamiltons rear tyre.

    He also got a penalty for it, so the claim that rules don't apply to him is pure muck.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,060 ✭✭✭✭ Faugheen

    He had no chance of making that corner. Zero. Hamilton owned the racing line and Max was never ahead.

    All Max had to do was pullout of the move, like Hamilton did earlier in that very same race.

    He very rarely accepts defeat which a lot of people find admirable but the best of the best know when to pull out and that was one of those occasions. Yes mistakes can happen because they’re also human, but when it’s happening on a few occasions in a very short time frame then it becomes a pattern.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,835 ✭✭✭ KevRossi

    Well Martin Brundle disagrees with you (3:07 in 1st video) and so does Scott Mansell. Both have it down as a racing incident. Of course we all have an opinion, but I don't think it's as clear cut as saying it was totally Verstappen's fault.

    This is the one where Brundle comments on it:

    This is Scott Mansell's.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,040 ✭✭✭ Hijpo

    If he got into a position where he was on the inside and level (roughly level unless people expect them to be wheel nut\wheel nut level) during a left turn after being on the outside and behind of a right turn then surely it's a fight for the corner?

    It's not like he made a dive from miles away down the inside of the right hander and blew Hamilton out of it or tagged Hamiltons rear with his front while Hamilton was half way around the corner.

    None of the other incidents put Hamilton out of a race and Verstappen has been penalised for same when found to be predominantly to blame.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,060 ✭✭✭✭ Faugheen

    They were close in turn one (with Hamilton ahead), but turn two Hamilton was clearly ahead. Never at any stage was Max ahead.

    Also, why didn't those incidents put Hamilton out of the race? Because on three occasions he had to take avoiding action while Max flew off the track because he completely out-braked himself.

    I'll balance this out with the third (?) restart where Verstappen went down the inside of Hamilton and Ocon. That was absolutely text book and one of the best passes I've ever seen. He found his braking limit and was able to keep it on the road while going for a small gap.

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,408 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Weepsie

    Id take this and switch the names around if I could.

    Hamilton remember was reprimanded several times for erratically driving specifically in front of Alonso some years ago, so let's not pretend he's some virtuous, clean as whistle driver. He whinges when it goes against him. In the Silverstone incident, max said its what happens. Doesn't like it.

    Hamilton is repeatedly going with the crazy narrative as if he says is it enough, his clout will make it stick

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,060 ✭✭✭✭ Faugheen

    Nobody is trying to suggest he's a clean as a whistle driver, at all.

    In fact, the majority narrative around here is the exact opposite.

    Before anyone starts, I know people were trying to excuse the Silverstone crash, they are in the minority. Anyone with eyes can see whose fault that was.

    However you've people here saying Hamilton tried to intentionally kill Max that day and comparing him to Lance Armstrong and Tonya Harding. It's absolutely bullshit and anyone who pulls them up on it (the few that do) are dismissed as having blind bias or for being a fanboy. F*ck that.

  • Registered Users Posts: 608 ✭✭✭ Debub

  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,408 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Weepsie

    One person has made the silly harding Armstrong remarks on fairness. That's not a fair remark on "people" and as I said, even max wrote it off as racing.

    Lewis hasn't done that though for incidents. He's a massive hypocrite in that respect. It's racing and good agressive driving when he does it. Used to love the senna comparisons. It's dangerous or crazy when someone does something he has done umpteen times and he doesn't like it.

  • Registered Users Posts: 10,060 ✭✭✭✭ Faugheen

    Max and Horner spent 2 weeks bitching about the Silverstone incident, and when the media asked Max about it at the next race he swore at the journalist who did so.

    Sorry, but the notion that they said that it's just racing and left it alone is nonsense. It's complete and utter nonsense. They played out their own narrative, unchallenged, for as long as they could and when the journalist asked Max about it what happened? He lost the head, again.

    One person made those remarks but like I have said time and time again, that poster goes unchallenged making those ridiculous claims because nobody who is more in favour of Max than Hamilton pulls them up on it, and those who do are dismissed. It's completely unacceptable to make remarks like the Silverstone crash was attempted murder and that Hamilton is in the same realm as one of the biggest cheats in the history of sport and someone who had their opponent vicously assaulted and then on the same post accuse others of being blindly biased. Is this what we've been reduced to here?

    As I've said. Both of them give it as good as they have it in their statements and in their racing, and they're led by two egomaniacs in Horner and Wolff who are so desperate to make it as much about themselves.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,408 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Weepsie

    So hamilton clipped 2 drivers? MAn, that guy is crazy*

    *this is sarcasm

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,345 ✭✭✭ recyclebin

    It surprised me that Mercedes drivers have now let Verstappen past twice at race starts recently. I thought Hamilton should have just let Ocon go and cover off Max at the start. He could have easily taken Ocon later in the race rather than colliding with him off the start.

    Verstappen is definitely in Hamiltons head now and Hamilton is always keeping as far away as he can from him at race starts.

    If a collision is to happen at Abu Dhabi it is likely to be at the start as anything after that could result in exclusion from championship if it looks in any way reckless or intentional.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,877 ✭✭✭ alan partridge aha

    Really want Max to do it, but if Lewis does well fairplay 8 titles. Both great drivers, it's just I can't stand the virtue signalling from Lewis. Which clouds my judgment of his driving and I know it shouldn't.

    Anyway let's hope its a hum dinger of a grand prix.

  • Registered Users Posts: 42,881 ✭✭✭✭ Mitch Connor

    Same logic Verstappen says he used in SA in that running Hamilton off the road was deemed fine in Brazil so why was he not allowed do it in SA.

    Almost like the FIA made an absolute mess of the punishments given to Max.

  • Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭ redlad12 . Mr Brundle

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,549 ✭✭✭ murphyebass

    Roll on tomorrow. Here’s hoping for lots of crashes and madness. A crazy race like Saudi please!!!!! First race since the 90’s that was actually exciting start to finish.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,352 ✭✭✭ petes

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