20 Euro Per Hr Parking Charges On The Cards.

Heard this on Morning Ireland a little while ago, Along with Congestion charge for all Major Irish Cities, Stickers on cars to ban certain cars altogether depending on emissions and 30 Km/Hr limit in all of these cities and an extension of the 30 Km/hr zone in Dublin.

All this because the Government know meeting agreed emissions targets are impossible without investing billions into a proper public transport infrastructure and they think that making life more difficult for drivers will just make people go on the dole and sell the car or walk or just emigrate. I wonder will they pay people to emigrate again like they did in the 80's ? perhaps that's another way to reduce emissions ? If they paid enough I might just go myself, this place is getting more insane every year.

I even had a discussion here where cycling Folk thought I should pay for my parking space because they "the cyclist" isn't using this space so why should I get a free parking space because a cyclist isn't using it ? the mentality of some people is remarkable. Yes, work place parking fees has been discussed before.

These green loonies will destroy the cities, I for one have no alternative but to drive like tens of thousands of others.

I've no doubt they will do it saying they have no choice that Ireland must play it's part to save the earth, a good excuse now to do pretty much anything they want. When The Government were challenges about fuel prices, Mary Lou asked Michael Martin to eliminate carbon tax for just 3 months or to cut or eliminate VAT for 3 months and Martin's response was that the Government can't reduce carbon tax because We all must play our part to tackle climate change so that won't happen and we can't reduce vat on energy because the E.U won't allow it so more and more they can use climate change and E.U as justification to do whatever they want, or not. As if 3 months of not Carbon tax would have any impact on climate change or no VAT this just shows that they do not care in any way about anyone suffering fuel poverty or having to make the choice between food or heat or even electricity, they couldn't care less about damaging local businesses with outrageous parking fees and congestion charges and would rather people shop online and make amazon richer.

dubrov

You forgot "Rant over" at the end.

I'd say you feel so much better now

PilotHole

Work from home,

You clearly spend 99% of your day at a computer because you post here every few minutes 🤣

That's a very difficult post to read...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224737#Comment_118224737

I can't work from home anyway because I have to keep the Data Centres going, you know the big huge buildings that allow People work from home lol

99% of day on a computer ? no but I do have some time for the occasional reply or good o'l rant. Now for instance I'm waiting on 2 Lads to come in a dirty diesel Lorry so I can get in even more servers to add capacity for everyone working from home, busy busy times for the industry .

Allinall

Didn't realise there were data centres in central Dublin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224752#Comment_118224752

I'm sure that was aimed at my reference to work parking fees perhaps ?

Pawwed Rig

Have you tried cycling to work? That would be a good solution. Or even an e bike or scooter. A motorbike would also work as it is easier to park. Only a fraction of those that drive to work have no other alternative. Many will convince themselves there is no alternative though.

PilotHole

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224750#Comment_118224750

Yea, the data centers will shut down if mad lad isn't around.

You're just another number and don't forget it.

Surprised you haven't mentioned your Tesla yet or are you just waiting for the right time.

Busman Paddy Lasty

Listening to Morning Ireland was your first mistake :)

Communist kite flying so might not all happen. Parking in Dublin city could go to €5 per hour because the demand is so high. Congestion charge does have a high degree of support. Quality of life for anyone using town for socialising or shopping.

Don't bother paying attention to advocates of BIK for parking on private property. It's tarmac on the ground ffs, you're not receiving anything of monetary value.

Darc19

started reading it and thought - this is a party political broadcast on behalf of sf/IRA. And lo and behold, the poster is bowing to Ms McDonald.

Straight form the sf/ira playbook. - Create a scare headline, put all sorts of Armageddon scenarios in, avoid much mention of political parties, then finish with a glowing reference to sf/ira

Just one question OP - just one.

WHAY HAS SF/IRA NOT IMPLEMETED REDUCTIONS / REBATES IN NORTHERN IRELAND?????? - The do have the power up there.

Lets just give ONE example. Winter fuel allowance. In northern Ireland it is £200 for the entire year. Here, after the increase in the budget, it is €858 - that's THREE AND A HALF TIMES what is given in the north. What is Ms Mc Donald doing about that?

and as for fuel - check Diesel prices in NI. (about 15c a litre higher) Why have sf not come up with a rebate system there or a reduction? They do hold quite a bit of power up there, but seem to do absolutely none of the "ideas" they have for here. Funny That!

JimmyVik

Dotn worry it will be like the port tunnel.

Massive charge at first justified by the fact that its a resource for trucks and we dont want too many cars using it.

So nobody used it and they reduced the price. So it seems they did actually want cars using it.

Buddy Bubs

Live and work in other countries and you'll see the same crap and some new crap. People think of other countries as they remember them from holidays and weekends away

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224784#Comment_118224784

Tesla ? what's that all about ?

Andrewf20

The government are trying to squeeze people out of car usage in the mildest way possible (i.e. without creating civil war). WFH is helping but the roads are still packed in the mornings and evenings. We are going to have to feel pain somewhere otherwise driving behaviours wont change and emissions will continue.

Public transport still uses alot of fossil fuels so I suspect the government want to promote walk / cycle transport primarily. In many ways its the most flexible format for journeys of up to and around 15km I find. (Once you are ok with potential crap weather).

The ironic thing is that people are so busy working (and generally polluting the planet) to have the time and patience to walk and cycle. Life fatigue facilitates taking the car instead.

Atlantic Dawn

Too many civil service staff provided with free parking for any congestion charges or BIK on parking to ever come in.

cnocbui

Emigrating, so this country can go collectively shoot itself in the foot all it likes.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118225494#Comment_118225494

How many civil servants get free parking, do you know?

c.p.w.g.w

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224781#Comment_118224781

My alternatives are

- Cycle 38km round trip, but work has only one shower, poor facilities to lock bike and I often finish at 11, so probably not that safe

- Bus, would often require leaving the house 2 hours before my shift(instead of 20 minutes if driving), and arrive 45 minutes before my shift, bus home would typically require a 1 hour wait...also the cost of the bus would be 2 times my petrol bill atop of lost time

Atlantic Dawn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118225560#Comment_118225560

In Dublin over 3,000.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118225642#Comment_118225642

And as a percentage of overall car traffic, how much of it is comprised of civil servants?

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118224841#Comment_118224841

Why would you not pay attention to the bik argument for parking? Revenue are looking at considering loan interest foregone as a "gift" when parents lend their children money interest free these days.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118225522#Comment_118225522

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

They already have the “consultants” in looking at congestion charges in the main Irish cities- there’s an article in the paper about it this week. I doubt even electric vehicles will get away with not paying eventually as it’s a cash cow. However, we don’t have the public transport infrastructure of other countries so it’s the same old bull- take the tax generation ideas of other countries but stuff the science behind it - fine if we have a world class transportation system- extensive underground, more trams, better commuter trains and lines etc - but we don’t.

We need to be more imaginative on our sustainability solutions like establish legislation around WFH so that workers, where they can, can work from home if they so wish - that takes 100000’s off the road every day. If they want to pedestrianise cities and drive out cars- fine, but you need the transport infrastructure there to attract people into the city. Those living a few miles from the city will always have cheapish taxis, walking, bikes and public transport as options to get there- outside the city environs things get harder for people- less choice to get there and get home. If the city can’t facilitate people visiting, then the businesses in the city will collapse and we’ll be left with just fast food restaurants

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118225609#Comment_118225609

38km round trip isn't too bad. Should do it in 45 mins max or so both ways on a bicycle. An e-bike would do it quicker. There is your solution.

Added benefit is no further cardio needed for the week so if you are a gym goer or active you make a time saving there aswell.

I would say many people (like you) who drive to work could easily use alternatives but just don't want to. The €20 parking charge (which will never happen btw) would just be a method of 'encouraging' you to better investigate the alternatives available to you.

You save on fuel etc and could probably even downgrade your car as you wouldn't need it to be as good due to less use. Win win win cost, health, environment.

Happy cycling :)

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118225898#Comment_118225898

Usually cabin crew close it for me, so not the slightest chance of that happening, but thanks for the concern.

hoodie6029

There is already a tax on providing parking to your employees. Came in in 2008 IIRC.

No point fighting the green movement, it's here to stay. I prefer breathing clean air myself.

Many people are now coming around to the thought that our city and town streets and country roads do not belong to motorists, that there should be space for everyone.

The best quote I heard recently was 'The future will not be determined by Luddites.'

Groups like the farmers and truckers campaigning for the status quo are on the losing side already, the world has changed. We need to change our work practices, hours, school hours and holidays, where and how we live and so many other things and we will all be better off for it.

Busman Paddy Lasty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118225893#Comment_118225893

They are part of an employers facility like canteen, rest area, showers, gym etc. Non monetary aspects of an employers property and are not a benefit in kind by definition.

Have you a link to the money lending scenario? Could be a high threshold there.

JimmyVik

Its more that the government are looking for a new revenue stream.

Carbon taxes and the motorist is where its at.

Theyve already gone as high as they can on cigarettes and alcohol.

Now with electric cars going to take over they will have to replace the revenue from fuel.

And it would look too bad, as electric cars come the majority to be seen to be taxing electric cars as that would go against all the other taxes in the name of the environment, so they will just tax all cars electric or ice in the end in all sorts of imaginative ways.

Elmer Blooker

30 km/hr zones 😂

In my area there are motorists doing at least 80 Kmh in 30 zones near schools.

It unenforceable virtue signaling nonsense.

hoodie6029

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118226128#Comment_118226128

Smoking levels have dropped dramatically since 2003 and the revenue raised from them never covered the cost to the health service. We will be paying for the legacy for smoking for decades with very little tax to cover it in the future. Ditto with alcohol, younger people are just not into drinking as much as the older generations. This is another revenue stream that will dry up.

The state is not too dissimilar to a company, they need to raise revenue to pay for services. Other countries heavily tax property ownership to fund local services but that is a big no-no here so transport gets hammered. It is a back door to taxing most adults/households as most own a car.

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118226126#Comment_118226126

There was always a gift element where parents lend their children money tax free. The recent news on it was that they were going to change the way it was calculated. Previously you could use an interest rate equal to the deposit rate available at your bank ie SFA however the recent finance bill changed that to bank commercial rates on loans.

Although they didn't actually as the govt bottled it at the last second so the change never went through.

JimmyVik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118226199#Comment_118226199

I never smoked myself, but i have been watching them add on just enough every year for decades to pretend they are trying to stop smoking, but they never actually add on nough to make the smokers stop smoking.

If they wanted the stop people smoking they would add €30 on the the price in one go. That would do more to stop smoking than anything else, but of course they wont because they want the revenue.

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118238166#Comment_118238166

More likely just make people turn to the black market or start making flights just to avail of duty free

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118226199#Comment_118226199

the state is nothing like a company or a household for that matter, the major difference being, governments have the ability to create money, when they run a deficit, as we are doing right now, as this is how we ve been partly running the country throughout covid, we should in fact be doing this on a long term basis, but we more than likely wont, so expect a rise in taxes!

JimmyVik

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118238288#Comment_118238288

Thats always been the argument from the minsiters, but the truth is.

Some of them will go that way, but most would just stop smoking.

If half the smokers stopped smoking but the other half went to the black market then that is still a significant number of non smokers you have now. Hell if even only 10% of smokers stopped because of a €20 or €30 extra tax on a box that would be significant. At some point you have do ask, do you want the revenue or do you want the smoking stopped.

Its plain as day that the government want the taxes rather than make people stop smoking.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118239155#Comment_118239155

taxation on goods, particularly addictive goods, has very limited input in stopping their use, there implementation is sometimes more ideologically based than actual scientifically based

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118239155#Comment_118239155

You ignored the other option of flying just to buy cigerettes. You can legally bring in 800 cigerettes from the EU. That is an Irish cost of €2,400 at €30 a box. Ryanair would see a surge in demand as would shops north of the border.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118239290#Comment_118239290

you can sometimes get far more than just 800 in

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118239327#Comment_118239327

That is black market. I mentioned that as a separate point

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118239334#Comment_118239334

nope, i know someone thats been bringing in thousands of duty free for years now, a few times a year, im sure theyre not alone

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118239340#Comment_118239340

Legally?

If not legal then it is illegal/black market

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118239345#Comment_118239345

oh its illegal of course, but its not for resale as such, supplies are for loved ones, they actually dont smoke themselves

magicbastarder

am curious as to whether there is any source for the €20ph parking charge other than 'i heard it on morning ireland'; is this an SF suggestion?

there is a report suggesting an increase in on-street parking charges by up to a factor of three, AFAIK. and the comment about bringing in a 30km/h limit might be interesting were it not for the fact that getting close to an average of 30km/h in most irish cities is a pipedream for most motorists anyway.

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118239364#Comment_118239364

That is black market then

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118238166#Comment_118238166

That wouldn't work and for very obvious reasons.

That's the main reason they won't do it.

Larbre34

Getting a wee bit off the point aren't we?

This below is the source of the controversy regarding parking and congestion charging etc. Its merely a study that has been carried out for the DoT.

I daresay though, that we can all stand down our sphincters for a while. Any major changes like this will be massively controversial and are unlikely to receive local political support until the devastating effects of Covid on our city centres have been fully assessed and absorbed and indeed are long in the rearview mirror.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/63517-publication-of-five-cities-demand-management-study-phase-1-report-and-toolkits/

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118239421#Comment_118239421

id some what disagree, id class purchases made for future profiteering as truly black market, others are just tax avoidance really