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20 Euro Per Hr Parking Charges On The Cards.

  • 26-11-2021 7:47am
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    Registered Users Posts: 21,454 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    Heard this on Morning Ireland a little while ago, Along with Congestion charge for all Major Irish Cities, Stickers on cars to ban certain cars altogether depending on emissions and 30 Km/Hr limit in all of these cities and an extension of the 30 Km/hr zone in Dublin.

    All this because the Government know meeting agreed emissions targets are impossible without investing billions into a proper public transport infrastructure and they think that making life more difficult for drivers will just make people go on the dole and sell the car or walk or just emigrate. I wonder will they pay people to emigrate again like they did in the 80's ? perhaps that's another way to reduce emissions ? If they paid enough I might just go myself, this place is getting more insane every year.

    I even had a discussion here where cycling Folk thought I should pay for my parking space because they "the cyclist" isn't using this space so why should I get a free parking space because a cyclist isn't using it ? the mentality of some people is remarkable. Yes, work place parking fees has been discussed before.

    These green loonies will destroy the cities, I for one have no alternative but to drive like tens of thousands of others.

    I've no doubt they will do it saying they have no choice that Ireland must play it's part to save the earth, a good excuse now to do pretty much anything they want. When The Government were challenges about fuel prices, Mary Lou asked Michael Martin to eliminate carbon tax for just 3 months or to cut or eliminate VAT for 3 months and Martin's response was that the Government can't reduce carbon tax because We all must play our part to tackle climate change so that won't happen and we can't reduce vat on energy because the E.U won't allow it so more and more they can use climate change and E.U as justification to do whatever they want, or not. As if 3 months of not Carbon tax would have any impact on climate change or no VAT this just shows that they do not care in any way about anyone suffering fuel poverty or having to make the choice between food or heat or even electricity, they couldn't care less about damaging local businesses with outrageous parking fees and congestion charges and would rather people shop online and make amazon richer.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's a very difficult post to read...



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,454 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    I can't work from home anyway because I have to keep the Data Centres going, you know the big huge buildings that allow People work from home lol

    99% of day on a computer ? no but I do have some time for the occasional reply or good o'l rant. Now for instance I'm waiting on 2 Lads to come in a dirty diesel Lorry so I can get in even more servers to add capacity for everyone working from home, busy busy times for the industry .



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,263 ✭✭✭ Allinall


    Didn't realise there were data centres in central Dublin.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,454 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad


    I'm sure that was aimed at my reference to work parking fees perhaps ?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 21,102 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Pawwed Rig


    Have you tried cycling to work? That would be a good solution. Or even an e bike or scooter. A motorbike would also work as it is easier to park. Only a fraction of those that drive to work have no other alternative. Many will convince themselves there is no alternative though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 46 PilotHole


    Yea, the data centers will shut down if mad lad isn't around.

    You're just another number and don't forget it.

    Surprised you haven't mentioned your Tesla yet or are you just waiting for the right time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 566 ✭✭✭ Busman Paddy Lasty


    Listening to Morning Ireland was your first mistake :)

    Communist kite flying so might not all happen. Parking in Dublin city could go to €5 per hour because the demand is so high. Congestion charge does have a high degree of support. Quality of life for anyone using town for socialising or shopping.

    Don't bother paying attention to advocates of BIK for parking on private property. It's tarmac on the ground ffs, you're not receiving anything of monetary value.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭ Darc19


    started reading it and thought - this is a party political broadcast on behalf of sf/IRA. And lo and behold, the poster is bowing to Ms McDonald.

    Straight form the sf/ira playbook. - Create a scare headline, put all sorts of Armageddon scenarios in, avoid much mention of political parties, then finish with a glowing reference to sf/ira


    Just one question OP - just one.


    WHAY HAS SF/IRA NOT IMPLEMETED REDUCTIONS / REBATES IN NORTHERN IRELAND?????? - The do have the power up there.


    Lets just give ONE example. Winter fuel allowance. In northern Ireland it is £200 for the entire year. Here, after the increase in the budget, it is €858 - that's THREE AND A HALF TIMES what is given in the north. What is Ms Mc Donald doing about that?


    and as for fuel - check Diesel prices in NI. (about 15c a litre higher) Why have sf not come up with a rebate system there or a reduction? They do hold quite a bit of power up there, but seem to do absolutely none of the "ideas" they have for here. Funny That!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭ JimmyVik



    Dotn worry it will be like the port tunnel.

    Massive charge at first justified by the fact that its a resource for trucks and we dont want too many cars using it.

    So nobody used it and they reduced the price. So it seems they did actually want cars using it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭ Buddy Bubs


    Live and work in other countries and you'll see the same crap and some new crap. People think of other countries as they remember them from holidays and weekends away



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,454 ✭✭✭✭ Mad_Lad




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,141 ✭✭✭ Andrewf20


    The government are trying to squeeze people out of car usage in the mildest way possible (i.e. without creating civil war). WFH is helping but the roads are still packed in the mornings and evenings. We are going to have to feel pain somewhere otherwise driving behaviours wont change and emissions will continue.

    Public transport still uses alot of fossil fuels so I suspect the government want to promote walk / cycle transport primarily. In many ways its the most flexible format for journeys of up to and around 15km I find. (Once you are ok with potential crap weather).

    The ironic thing is that people are so busy working (and generally polluting the planet) to have the time and patience to walk and cycle. Life fatigue facilitates taking the car instead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 73,819 ✭✭✭✭ Atlantic Dawn


    Too many civil service staff provided with free parking for any congestion charges or BIK on parking to ever come in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,414 ✭✭✭✭ cnocbui


    Emigrating, so this country can go collectively shoot itself in the foot all it likes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭ $hifty


    How many civil servants get free parking, do you know?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,791 ✭✭✭ c.p.w.g.w


    My alternatives are

    - Cycle 38km round trip, but work has only one shower, poor facilities to lock bike and I often finish at 11, so probably not that safe

    - Bus, would often require leaving the house 2 hours before my shift(instead of 20 minutes if driving), and arrive 45 minutes before my shift, bus home would typically require a 1 hour wait...also the cost of the bus would be 2 times my petrol bill atop of lost time



  • Registered Users Posts: 73,819 ✭✭✭✭ Atlantic Dawn




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,968 ✭✭✭ $hifty


    And as a percentage of overall car traffic, how much of it is comprised of civil servants?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,921 ✭✭✭ MrMusician18


    Why would you not pay attention to the bik argument for parking? Revenue are looking at considering loan interest foregone as a "gift" when parents lend their children money interest free these days.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,921 ✭✭✭ MrMusician18






  • They already have the “consultants” in looking at congestion charges in the main Irish cities- there’s an article in the paper about it this week. I doubt even electric vehicles will get away with not paying eventually as it’s a cash cow. However, we don’t have the public transport infrastructure of other countries so it’s the same old bull- take the tax generation ideas of other countries but stuff the science behind it - fine if we have a world class transportation system- extensive underground, more trams, better commuter trains and lines etc - but we don’t.

    We need to be more imaginative on our sustainability solutions like establish legislation around WFH so that workers, where they can, can work from home if they so wish - that takes 100000’s off the road every day. If they want to pedestrianise cities and drive out cars- fine, but you need the transport infrastructure there to attract people into the city. Those living a few miles from the city will always have cheapish taxis, walking, bikes and public transport as options to get there- outside the city environs things get harder for people- less choice to get there and get home. If the city can’t facilitate people visiting, then the businesses in the city will collapse and we’ll be left with just fast food restaurants



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 21,102 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Pawwed Rig


    38km round trip isn't too bad. Should do it in 45 mins max or so both ways on a bicycle. An e-bike would do it quicker. There is your solution.

    Added benefit is no further cardio needed for the week so if you are a gym goer or active you make a time saving there aswell.

    I would say many people (like you) who drive to work could easily use alternatives but just don't want to. The €20 parking charge (which will never happen btw) would just be a method of 'encouraging' you to better investigate the alternatives available to you.

    You save on fuel etc and could probably even downgrade your car as you wouldn't need it to be as good due to less use. Win win win cost, health, environment.

    Happy cycling :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,414 ✭✭✭✭ cnocbui


    Usually cabin crew close it for me, so not the slightest chance of that happening, but thanks for the concern.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭ hoodie6029


    There is already a tax on providing parking to your employees. Came in in 2008 IIRC.

    No point fighting the green movement, it's here to stay. I prefer breathing clean air myself.

    Many people are now coming around to the thought that our city and town streets and country roads do not belong to motorists, that there should be space for everyone.

    The best quote I heard recently was 'The future will not be determined by Luddites.'

    Groups like the farmers and truckers campaigning for the status quo are on the losing side already, the world has changed. We need to change our work practices, hours, school hours and holidays, where and how we live and so many other things and we will all be better off for it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 566 ✭✭✭ Busman Paddy Lasty


    They are part of an employers facility like canteen, rest area, showers, gym etc. Non monetary aspects of an employers property and are not a benefit in kind by definition.

    Have you a link to the money lending scenario? Could be a high threshold there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭ JimmyVik


    Its more that the government are looking for a new revenue stream.

    Carbon taxes and the motorist is where its at.

    Theyve already gone as high as they can on cigarettes and alcohol.

    Now with electric cars going to take over they will have to replace the revenue from fuel.

    And it would look too bad, as electric cars come the majority to be seen to be taxing electric cars as that would go against all the other taxes in the name of the environment, so they will just tax all cars electric or ice in the end in all sorts of imaginative ways.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,674 ✭✭✭ Elmer Blooker


    30 km/hr zones 😂

    In my area there are motorists doing at least 80 Kmh in 30 zones near schools.

    It unenforceable virtue signaling nonsense.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭ hoodie6029


    Smoking levels have dropped dramatically since 2003 and the revenue raised from them never covered the cost to the health service. We will be paying for the legacy for smoking for decades with very little tax to cover it in the future. Ditto with alcohol, younger people are just not into drinking as much as the older generations. This is another revenue stream that will dry up.


    The state is not too dissimilar to a company, they need to raise revenue to pay for services. Other countries heavily tax property ownership to fund local services but that is a big no-no here so transport gets hammered. It is a back door to taxing most adults/households as most own a car.



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