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Fuel Price Protest Dublin 24th November

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,438 ✭✭✭ MrMusician18


    Bit of a damp squib this time. Looks like most of them are all bark and no bite.



  • Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭ Economics101


    Looking at RTE just now, who'd have thunk that Eamon Ryan was the truckers' friend? Says he will look into their grievances, and not a word of condemnation for what is a huge cost to thousands of ordinary people and businesses trying to make a living.

    Our politicians are terrible cowards when faced with militant disruption. A few years ago there was a large reduction in the annual road tax paid by HGVs, largely negotiated by one Verona Murphy, now an independent TD.



  • Registered Users Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ Fattybojangles


    To be fair that was an entirely sensible reduction the previous tax rates for HGV's were insane up to 5 grand a year in some cases.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,993 ✭✭✭✭ end of the road


    insane? not a chance.

    it was actually quite cheap given the infrastructure requirements to support them and the heavy maintenence that infrastructure requires.

    abolish the indirect subsidy to the irish pub known as MUP.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,782 ✭✭✭✭ Del2005


    We'd have a bigger cost to the whole country if hauliers go out of business. What other options do you have for our economy to function without HGV's?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,782 ✭✭✭✭ Del2005


    The drivers are the ones who suffer when firms go bust, they loose wages. Getting another job won't recover the lost money and with their wages they don't have much savings to fall back on. Do you think that the drivers are working for crap money and terrible conditions because they love the stress of not killing ignorant road users every day?



  • Registered Users Posts: 540 ✭✭✭ Economics101


    It's completely absurd to think that we might be without HGVs. There may be some who will suffer losses, but if everyone who suffered losses in the private sector were to blockade things, then the economy as a whole would collapse. In any event we will have to be weaned off our dependence on diesel fuelled HGVs in the longer term, and part of that will be done through higher fossil fuel prices.



  • Registered Users Posts: 876 ✭✭✭ Fattybojangles


    That's all well and good in theory in reality very few if any actually paid the 5k many registered up north loads more registered as "recovery" vehicles and loads more did the old 3 months tax 3 months off the road trick along with dodgy weight dockets to lower the price.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 59,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    State will pay the redundancy in case of insolvency

    Do you think it's better that we keep race to the bottom slave drivers in business?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,782 ✭✭✭✭ Del2005


    Yes we need to get off diesel in the long term. But in the short term there is no viable alternative for diesel HGVs so using the big stick when there is no other option is stupid.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,782 ✭✭✭✭ Del2005


    We all drove the race to the bottom for truck driver pay. When your customer keeps demanding cheaper prices and most of your costs are fixed you can only cut the non fixed costs, which is wages.

    Do I think it is right that truck drivers have sh1t pay and conditions, no. But increasing the price of running a haulage company isn't going to improve their pay or conditions it's going to make them worse because now companies will start cutting other costs which could see drivers out on defective vehicles.

    If the companies go bust 2 weeks statutory redundancy isn't going to help the drivers, they get paid feck all so their redundancy will be feck all.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 59,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    Any form of fuel rebate or duty cut won't help those drivers in any way. Better to have the plaster ripped off, let the slave drivers hit the wall, and tender with appropriate prices for the future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,782 ✭✭✭✭ Del2005


    So what's the country supposed to do for food and medicine while the haulage industry is rebuilt by people with no idea of how to run a haulage company?

    You want the haulage industry to collapse and you think that everything will be OK. Did you miss what happened at the start of Covid? The UK had a fuel crisis on the rumour of issues with fuel supply, which took a hell of a long time to resolve for a country with supposedly plenty of fuel!

    Can you imagine what will happen if there is a rumour of no HGVs. Shops don't hold stock and the supply chain is already broken. Our CO2 emissions would increase massively as the country descends into chaos.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 59,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    You're claiming that people who have run their business in to the ground so much that a slight increase in fuel prices over the more recent long-term averages threatens their very existence actually know how to run their business?

    They clearly don't.

    And they won't all go bust at once (or at all - not every haulage firm is as badly run); and there are plenty of jobs for HGV drivers so there would be no all-out chaos.

    It is not the place of the state to prop up failing businesses; albeit we seem to do it with ridiculous frequency (ICI, Quinn, banks, etc)



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,474 ✭✭✭ blackwhite


    There’s a reason these two protests didn’t have any support from the IRHA, and why there was less than 30 trucks involved in the latest one.

    Hint - it’s because the industry isn’t on the verge of collapse. One of the companies I saw there is one that we have blacklisted due to safety concerns (obvs. won’t name them here) and I’d wager a guess that the reason they were free to spend all day parked up is that they’d have been parked up elsewhere with no work otherwise


    These protests are from a very small group, and their actions on Monday had the biggest impact on hauliers who were actually working.



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