Housing for Travellers must provide room for a pony - EU Rights Agency

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/centrality-of-horses-to-travellers-culture-must-be-acknowledged-in-housing-policy-eu-1.4718401

This is gas

It really matters that you have a place to stable a horse if you come from the Traveller tradition

Coolmore Stud with each estate, is it?

Given the abundance of videos/imagery/articles/your own eyeballs of abuse of horses in Ireland, not just by Travellers sulky racing or whatever, but various individuals/groups, I would be alarmed at anything that makes it easier to have a horse.

Surely it should be the opposite!? Making it harder and somehow better regulated?

What say you?

Well Kermit, we're of a similar mindset at last. Talk about opening a can of worms, additional room for grazing ramps up the cost considerably. Only pouring petrol on the taxpayer bonfire of money. And leaving the gate ajar for all sorts of animal rights abuses (no, I wasn't born yesterday). This horse declares the notion a prohibitively expensive and unwieldy farce.

Don't think the EU really understands travellers and the liberties they will take.

This one area they should stay out of.

listermint

I'm trying to see in the article where it says the EU said travellers have to have space for a pony or horse with their accommodation.

Look I may have missed it when I was blinded by your daily anti EU bias. But can you point out where your thread statement rings true ?

Cheers

Gatling

Do we have to give every traveller child a hiace or transit van when there born .

The EU should stick to straight bananas

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114321#Comment_118114321

You don't have to go far. It's first mentioned in the subtitle under the picture...

‘It really matters that you have a place to stable a horse if you come from the Traveller tradition and that just has to be acknowledged.'

And in title in the IT

Centrality of horses to Travellers’ culture must be acknowledged in housing policy - EU

DarkJager21

I’m going to bite my tongue on this one but I very strongly suggest this guy in the article and also the likes of The Journal go and get some real world experience and stop telling the rest of us we are to blame for all the poor travellers problems.

PropJoe10

I assume this also means that the said Travellers will be forced to treat their animals properly and with respect, too?

Who would enforce that? It does appear that the Gardai don't have any influence or authority whatsoever when it comes to the Travelling community, so I'm not exactly sure how that'd work out.

Atlantic Dawn

Next year the EU might insist on having a Toyota service centre at each halting site to service the travellers Hiace vans.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114355#Comment_118114355

You, I and the man on the moon knows it would be completely unmanageable, people who live nearby inevitably having to suffer the consequences while the EU suit gets to pat himself on the back at a safe distance.

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114343#Comment_118114343

As I said. The term awknowledged means what again. I mean you said it twice.

On what metric does that back up your ridiculous thread title or your opening post. Once again exposed with anti EU bias and trying to shovel the hot traveller topic on top of it..

Shameless you know it.

The EU said nothing of this and have mandated nothing either. You could write for the daily mail, easily

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114393#Comment_118114393

Take it up with the Irish Times. Nothing to do with any sentiment toward the EU. Stop being paranoid and trying to stir. If it was Pavee Point or a govt minister I'd have put that in.

As per the article it's from an EU rights agency.

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114460#Comment_118114460

Take what up with the Irish times. They actually said nothing of what you posted. Please kindly respond how the word awknowledged means anything like what you made it say. You are making it all up . The entire thread is a fabrication. You've taken an article that said one thing and come here to say it said something else.

Unadulterated waffle.

DarkJager21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114477#Comment_118114477

They actually did - go read it again, and then when you finish go read it a 2nd time.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114460#Comment_118114460

The article does not say what you put in the thread title.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114506#Comment_118114506

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114477#Comment_118114477

The centrality of horses to Travellers’ culture “has to be acknowledged” in housing policy, the director of the European Union’s Fundamental Rights Agency (FRA) has warned.

Michael O’Flaherty, the director of the agency who is in Ireland on an official monitoring visit, said horses were “absolutely central to Traveller identity. That has to celebrated and honoured and then acknowledged in things like housing policy.

“It really matters that you have a place to stable a horse if you come from the Traveller tradition and that just has to be acknowledged. I don’t understand why we’d oppose that.”

Crystal clear to me. Tell us what you think it means then?

As for the EU, it's the Irish Times who uses EU in the title, and it's the EU's Fundamental Rights Agency.

buried

This O'Flaherty lad is having a right laugh at us trying to claim that this supposed 'plight' for the travelling community is the “single biggest human rights challenge” across the EU, while at the same time inflation rates are skyrocketing for every single community within the eurozone. Make no mistake, This guy doesn't give a damn about anyone, let alone Travellers. This guy is nothing but a highly paid establishment troll, and he can f**k off with his gibberish.

Kermit.de.frog

@listermint there, I added EU Rights Agency to thread title to assuage your sensitivity. I trust your strongly worded letter to the Irish Times is almost ready

Remember their letters typically start with 'Sir/Madam' and end with 'Your's Sincerely, Mr/Mrs/Sir/Lord...Listermint'

Also, if you are in Dublin 6 you add a 'W' on the end to avoid any confusion.

😉

Sure build this new accomoadation in Brussels only on the lawn of the european parliament

85603

Grand. So then let them work and save and build their stable. What could be more straightforward. Im sure there'll be no issue here.

Well that was easy guess I can close this one.

Potential-Monke

I've no idea who this Michael lad is, but he can simply go fuk himself. A right to provide stables. Fuk off like. Either they travel around, or they settle, but at no stage should they have a "right" to a government provided stable. Everyone else who wants horses, be it for pleasure or because they are in the horse business for decades, has to buy their own stables.

Just fukkin no like.

buried

Mike O'Flaherty and his quango gang over at the FRA would be far better off investigating what goes on over in the likes of whatsapp and facebook/weta or whatever its called, concerning the travelling community. Seeing how much he obviously cares, and considering one of the main tenets of the FRA is their proclamation that they will demand to "Have your personal data protected", not a lot of that going on in the hundreds of the call out to violence videos spewn and shared all over that place every week within that community. Go look into that Mike.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114362#Comment_118114362

What was that advert again "Toyota, 2000 ******* can't be wrong " 🤣🤣

I thought this latest nonsense was a pee take. Beggars belief 🙄

Spanish Eyes

Ah the dear Kitty Holland again. She probably lives as far away from any Traveller site as is possible.

IT and she as columnist have form for this type of stuff. She can feck right off now with her do gooderism lol.

Mrs OBumble

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114343#Comment_118114343

You need to have a place to stable your horse. It doesn't say that place has to be beside your home. In the neighbourhood is fine.

No reason why pony clubs should only be for rich buffer kids. Set them up as community facilities in s hools: teach kids about animal welfare, motivate Traveller kids to go to school.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114971#Comment_118114971

yeah sure schools have plenty of unused land for keeping horses on, perfect

Horses are expensive to keep, that's why they should be kept by people who can afford them, this has always been the case

Perhaps they would be better off teaching them how travellers treat their animals instead.

Potential-Monke

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114971#Comment_118114971

Yet again, change everything just to suit a tiny fraction of residents. No. If they want horses, then it's completely on them. Bad enough we already give permanent houses to people who should be travelling. Otherwise, imo, they're not travellers.

Maybe I'll start looking for free stuff because I'm Celtic apparently. Look for some free land for me to perform my Celtic pagan rituals. And provide the animals for slaughter too. Shur tis part of my heritage!

You'd think they'd have more concern for the cruelty to animals than Travellers supposed rights.

Every time I see a horse that is being "looked after" by Travellers, it's a decidedly sick looking creature that has been mistreated.

Any Irish politician that seeks to reinforce or protect Traveller culture should be slammed hard with the harsh realities of what being a Traveller does to people. It's a brutal and primitive culture that abuses everyone and everything it comes into contact with. It has no place in a modern society.. except as a note in history books, to remind people why we developed laws that protect and help people to grow. Not protect a culture that is pure poison.

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114393#Comment_118114393

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114617#Comment_118114617

Once again you are wrong. There is no must provide anywhere. It's nonsense you are actually a parody of an anti EU irexiteer.

.it's gas though because it's so idiotically obvious.

Il come back when you have this piece of so called must mandated legislation coming through any of the legislature in the EU or Ireland.

Lol. You're an absolute false rage train ...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114971#Comment_118114971

Rich buffer kids? What are they?

In any case, the two riding schools in my hometown cater to middle class customers rather than any kind of wealthy elite. I went myself for a few years, and most people I met were "common people". The wealthy had their own horses to play with.

Beasty

If you can afford to keep a horse or pony properly you can afford a decent paddock to keep it on. If you cannot afford to keep one properly you should not have one in the first place (and I'm just in from feeding 5 of them)

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115731#Comment_118115731

I see you keep changing goal posts. Now you want to see some legislation.

The representative said there should be acknowledgment of the right to stable horses in housing policy.

'Housing' and 'Policy' being the operative words.

You see what you want to see as usual instead of dealing with the substance of what this body is advocating.

It's in the article in black and white. How about dealing with the substance and leaving out petty jabs.

I never suggested they said every single house should have a stable incidentally. They clearly advocate all should have access to stables.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115720#Comment_118115720

You should report any animal cruelty issues to ISPCA & AGS.

Potential-Monke

I never suggested they said every single house should have a stable incidentally. They clearly advocate all should have access to stables.

My reading from it was that the government should provide it. Whether it be attached to the house or increased access to public paddocks, either way I get the feeling he doesn't want travellers to have to pay for it. That's the issue I have.