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Prop gun accident kills cinematographer and injures director



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,890 ✭✭✭✭bnt

    Until we get more details, I’m loath to speculate about the details. What I will say is that this is extremely unlikely to be Baldwin’s fault. Prop guns on a set are handled by a specialist who is responsible for them and the ammo, and for seeing that they’re used safely. Baldwin has used guns on set many times before e.g. The Hunt for Red October early in his career.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,924 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords

    Media behaving as expected I see,

    "The Santa Fe New Mexican reported the 63-year-old Baldwin was seen outside the sheriff’s office in tears on Thursday, but attempts to get comment from him were unsuccessful."

    Feel really bad for him. Michael Masse never got over the trauma of the accident that killed Brandon Lee even though he was eventually declared blameless.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,444 ✭✭✭California Dreamer

    Baldwin said years ago that getting married again and having kids forced him back to work and take on projects that he otherwise would have passed on. Such a terrible turn of events and a heavy burden to carry around for the rest of his life. Heres hoping that the American press do not hound him too much.

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭FortuneChip

    Is it really necessary for movie sets to have weapons capable of discharging, in any form?

    Just seems needless with the SFX capabilities available.

    Awful accident, and needless loss of life.

  • Registered Users Posts: 32,626 ✭✭✭✭Penn

    It'd be definitely hard to put any blame on Baldwin for it. I saw a tweet from Michael McKean this morning saying live ammunition should never be anywhere on set. I didn't know what he was referring to as I hadn't seen this story, but he's completely right. Be interesting to see what happened. An awful tragedy all the same.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone

    American's and their guns. They'll never learn.

  • Registered Users Posts: 729 ✭✭✭SupplyandDemandZone

    He should be alright as he's very liberal. Be a different kettle of fish if it was a James Wood for example.

  • Registered Users Posts: 39,704 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail

    would a prop gun even be capable of firing live ammunition?

  • Registered Users Posts: 32,626 ✭✭✭✭Penn

    Could have been a real gun with blanks. Think blanks are still capable of causing damage and injury, or maybe there was a mixup in ammunition. Even with whatever damage a blank could do (usually would have to be very close range I think), be hard to see how it could not only kill one person but also injure another.

  • Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ Brynlee Bewildered Sodium

    Speculation in some news media that some form of projectile might have been in the gun and was blasted out by the gunpowder when fired.

    I know nothing of guns no less movie set props but I imagine there’s some form of “noise” and smoke created using gunpowder in a movie prop gun - I never imagined a movie prop gun would have the capability to fire any kind of projectile no less a bullet

    a very sad incident for all -,RIP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,704 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail

    In the brandon lee incident the gun misfired which caused the metal casing of the blank to be ejected. It was the metal casing that killed him.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,924 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords

    Depends, Brandon Lee's death was caused by a combination of rare circumstances involving 2 types of ammunition. First a movie round which had a bullet but no primer was been used. It transpired that this was incorrectly made and a primer remained in the bullet, thus when fired the bullet was propelled an inch forward and lodged in the barrel. This went unnoticed by the crew. The day of the accident they used a different round type, a blank round which has a primer but no bullet. When fired the charge propelled the stuck bullet out of the gun and into Brandon Lee.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 63,548 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady

    Something similar and luckily non fatal happened during the run of the play Bent here.

    An actor fired a revolver at the actor Brendan Conroy on stage during a live performance. Conroy collapsed and the other actor told me he initially thought it was a prank but then he saw the blood drain from the actor's face and an emergency was declared. Conroy was rushed to hospital and it turned out a metal filing in the blank (not uncommon it seems) penetrated his liver or kidneys (can't remember which). He spent a few days in hospital and luckily it wasn't worse like this incident. RIP to the deceased.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus

    Given there were two people struck, it sounds like there was probably something lodged in the barrel that broke up and got ejected when the blank was fired, throwing shrapnel all over the place. Very sad for everyone involved.

    This might put an end to the practice of having any live weapons on set though, it's unnecessary in this day and age. Even when they use a real weapon with blanks, the audio and muzzle flash nearly always gets changed in post-production anyway.

    You can get prop weapons that are weighted to look realistic and have simulated recoil. So there's literally no excuse for real weapons anymore.

  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 2,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭Oink

    There should be one person on every set who says: I take personal responsibility for what happens to/with this specific gun, for how it’s cleaned, checked, and loaded.

    In any case the whole thing seems ridiculously and scandalously avoidable.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,924 ✭✭✭Tow

    Much the same happened in the 80's during the filming of Cover Up when Jon-Erik Hexum shot himself in the head with a blank. The compressed gasses and paper wadding in the bullet did the damage.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,042 ✭✭✭The White Wolf

    Masse and Lee were the first thing that came to my mind when I saw this. What an awful tragedy.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,656 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor

    Woods actually tells a great story of nearly/potentially getting his head blown off during the making of Salvador due to a blank cartridge being left in a gun. He spotted it and refused to proceed with the scene.

    Anyway I don't think anyone is going to blame Baldwin or any other actor in the same situation. Actors aren't responsible for the safety of prop weapons.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,049 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil

    Awful to hear. I guess all we can do now is seek out her work.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 38,827 ✭✭✭✭Gatling

    Yes most places just use blank rounds that produces a flash but has no projectile in real guns ,other propguns can only use a blank round if adapted properly,some movies will use rubber guns for certain scenes ,in saying that at close range a blank round can kill

    Some say that a Toyota Hilux can travel through tunnels ......

  • Registered Users, Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,030 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123

    Twitter behaving as expected with this news. Lots of #SayHerName's and feminist types chiming in.

  • Registered Users Posts: 44,574 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,042 ✭✭✭The White Wolf

    Nothing like Twitter so to take a tragedy and turn it into petty grandstanding!

    I hope Baldwin can block out all the bullshit and just look after his mental health.

  • Registered Users Posts: 322 ✭✭pjcb

    sounds like a small movie and the DOP (and director) would be the closest, but you think they wouldn't have anything fired in their direction blank or otherwise.

    Post edited by pjcb on

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,049 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil

    Reminds me of the death of Sarah Janes in 2014, during a train sequence.

  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 2,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭Oink

    I don’t know what happened so waiting to hear how this was not their fault. We’ll see.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,042 ✭✭✭The White Wolf

    This article really does have a nasty undertone, from casually referring to how Masse and Baldwin didn't have to face charges to questioning why Baldwin wasn't pointing a gun at another person.

    Post edited by The White Wolf on

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,042 ✭✭✭The White Wolf

    Just as a follow up on the above a source said they were filiming a scene where Baldwin was backing out of a shooting and they were doing it as a close up on Baldwin shooting back.

    In other words an accident and this fool is implying he did wrong. The Guardian really has gone down the toilet.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 322 ✭✭pjcb

    RUST camera crew walked out and were replaced by nonunion crew the morning of the accident, MegJamesLAT reports:

    — “corners were being cut”

    — prior misfires on a prop gun

    — Halyna Hutchins “had been advocating for safer conditions for her team” LATimes

    (can't post links yet)