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Time to go Electric

  • 17-10-2021 4:38pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭ Wynnie12


    Hi,

    I drive a total of 400km a day to/from work 3-5 days a week. This is all motorway driving. Currently drive 2ltr diesel which will get me 1200km full tank (60 ltr) which I think is pretty. Diesel is costing me approx 600-800 euro a month.

    Basically looking for advice on EV that could manage this amount of mileage or should I just stick with diesel?

    Thanks in advance



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭ Buddy Bubs


    Don't think there's an electric out there for you yet at motorway speeds. And no way would I add a stop to charge on top of your commute.

    That's a huge amount of commuting I'd be looking into other options rather than type of car I drive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,976 ✭✭✭ graememk


    For that sort of range your gonna be looking at the biggest battery you can get.

    Likes of the id3 tour/id4/enyac 80/m3 LR

    Was doing some motorway driving y'day in my niro and before I came off it,(rainy/cold conditions) car was reporting 21.8kwh/100km - was sitting at 120 the whole time.

    If there is charging at work, your sorted.

    If not, would you normally stop at any time? What is your route as then a quick charging stop (ideally on the way home) would be needed in the winter, you'll prob get away with it in the summer (or slow to 100) if you can provide a rough route, we could point out possible put stops.

    Cost wise, I ran rough numbers the other day. At 5l/100km on diesel is about 7-8c a km

    I'm on Energia's ev rate, 20c day, 5.8c night, so charging on night rate it's costing me about 1-2c/km

    So that fuel cost could be reduced a lot, - but if you have to fast charge, that will eat into the savings.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,508 ✭✭✭ ozmo


    >That's a huge amount of commuting I'd be looking into other options rather than type of car I drive.

    yes - this. For lots of reasons.

    “Roll it back”



  • Registered Users Posts: 375 ✭✭ PaulRyan97


    There are definitely mainstream EV's that are capable of this, though you'd want some ability to charge at work as 400km at motorway speeds will be far too close to comfort even for cars rated at 500km+.

    However it does seem like you are doing an utterly excessive commute. Do you mind me asking what it is you do?



  • Registered Users Posts: 21,759 ✭✭✭✭ ted1


    200km each way ?

    are you at the office for 7-8 hours? If there is a charger there. Well then your options open right up.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 30,666 ✭✭✭✭ listermint


    400km for work. Nope. Bigger long term issues there than diesel prices. That's not a sustainable commute.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,976 ✭✭✭ graememk


    I know people are commenting on the commute, it's brutal. But that's not the question at hand.

    Maybe it's a case where Tesla's self driving would be beneficial!



  • Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭ Wynnie12


    I agree it's a crazy commute but for numerous reasons I don't see it changing for the foreseeable future.

    My route is M2 M50 M7 M9. Halfway is Carlow service station but ideally I would like an EV that would not require me to stop daily.

    Was really only testing the water here, sounds like I should stick with my diesel, €800 fuel bill a month.

    Appreciate the responses 👍



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,306 ✭✭✭ Fitz II


    Can you charge in work?



  • Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭ Wynnie12


    Unfortunately no I can't charge at work.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 375 ✭✭ PaulRyan97


    A PHEV with decent range could bring your fuel costs down some bit, at 5l/100km there's very few remaining diesels that can do better.

    If you had a PHEV with 60km range+ you'd probably average out somewhere around 4l/100km average. Some of Mercedes new Diesel PHEVs are supposed to be very economical for motorway driving.

    Without charging available at work the EV you're looking for would want ~550km WLTP range I would guess for a guaranteed [email protected]/h. Gives you very few options, Tesla Model S + X would do it I guess. Maybe the Model 3 LR. ID.4 would probably get you close, maybe the Extended Range Mustang Mach E.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,306 ✭✭✭ Fitz II


    Well with that commute they should install a charger for you, that would make an EV workable. I think I didnt spend 800 euro in the year with insurance, tax and electricity last year in a model 3. 8800 a year in fuel and then tax, insurance and service....that must be an alluring job to spend that money and 4 hours a days commuting...



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,976 ✭✭✭ graememk


    Hmm, actually look at the Ford mustang Mach e (the one with the big battery). That has a 88kwh battery. And a rated range of 610km. Up to you if the sums work for it.


    The ionity (although relatively expensive) at kill could be a pitstop, if ever caught a bit short. But they are high powered and multiple stalls.

    The website abetterrouteplanner can be used put your home, to work and then home and it will estimate if you would have to charge or not.

    New cars have more driver assists (maybe you already have them) adaptive cruise control, lane keep that can keep the drive less tiring.

    There is also reduced tolls with EVs.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,503 ✭✭✭ the_amazing_raisin


    I've an ID.4 with the 77kWh battery, it can make it from Dublin to Waterford on a summers day without a recharge, which is around 400km total, mostly motorway

    So there are cars out there which will do the job. In winter you'll likely need a recharge. Depending on your route, this can vary from reasonably well serviced to non existent. I'd say at 10-15 mins charge would be enough even in winter. Enough time for a bathroom break and to grab a coffee


    As others said, if you can get a work charger then you'll be sorted, no need for midpoint charges. Or if there's a public AC charger nearby you can use that

    If there's Tesla superchargers en route then I'd seriously consider a Tesla Model 3 long range. They have the best charging network, hands down. If I was regularly needing fast charging then that's the only brand I'd consider

    Also, I'd highly recommend getting a car with some sort of lane following system, as well as adaptive cruise control. They have different names for it, Tesla call it autopilot, VW call it Travel assist, etc. It seriously makes the motorway driving a lot easier



  • Registered Users Posts: 375 ✭✭ PaulRyan97


    It sounds like he is driving from north Dublin to Waterford based on the route description he gave. No superchargers on that route as far as I'm aware. Though if you can do it in an ID.4 then a Model 3 Long Range might be able to do it in Winter without recharging.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,388 ✭✭✭✭ fits


    The ID.3 tour is more efficient than any of the other 77 kWh battery VAG cars. My GOM is 440 km with a lot of motorway driving. It would be very close for comfort. But if you could make it work you’d save a packet. Even a granny charge at work might get you a bit of buffer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭ 80sDiesel


    Guessing it could be done comfortably in an EQS but that comes with its own cost…



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,028 ✭✭✭ Lantus


    For 400km motorway you are still waiting on a bigger battery I think. You will need near to 650km range to achieve your commute.

    But your savings would be amazing bar the purchase of a likely 60k plus new car....



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭ AndyBoBandy


    OP, even if your employer would let you pay for and install a charger at work, it would pay for itself in no time……


    with any of the current cars on the market, to make 400km motorway everyday, you’d nearly be charging to 100% every night, and draining to almost 0% by the time you got home and that’s not ideal for any EV battery.

    Much better proposition would be only charging to 80% each night, driving to work, and charging back up from around 30% to 80% again to get you home.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gumbo


    Without the work charger, it’s a non runner.

    no point buttering it up in any other way.

    your an extreme case for an EV.


    work place charging means you could swap easily and not have a worry in the world about charging.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,306 ✭✭✭ Fitz II


    If he went N11 and out Arklow way and in by new ross there is an ionity in arklow....expensive mind you. Have to agree that without workplace charging this is not a runner.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭ AndyBoBandy




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,306 ✭✭✭ Fitz II


    True dat...how reliable are the ionitys these days only used one once and it was fine, but I see some youtube road trips that are a horror....would have thought they were better sorted now.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,820 Mod ✭✭✭✭ AndyBoBandy


    Never needed to use them myself so far..... though every time I drive past the Kill ones I've never seen any of them used...


    but in the OP's case, if he needed to use Ionity daily, he'd be better off sticking to the diesel, unless he signed up to one of their subscription deals..



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,028 ✭✭✭ Lantus


    This assumes the op drives at an ev friendly 115km/h or abouts. Based on my trips up and down major motorways at weekend you would think fuel was dropping in price the speeds people were going. Most cars were happy out in the 130 to 150 range. A few much quicker. I was the anomaly at 117! Clearly fuel is still too cheap?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,503 ✭✭✭ the_amazing_raisin


    Well, it depends on your perspective somewhat

    Let's say owning an EV added 15 mins to your commute every day. That's pretty worst case since half the year you won't need to recharge en route, and you might not need 15 mins of charging

    Over a month that works out as 5 extra hours, assuming 20 workdays a month

    Compared to diesel, you should save around 600-700 a month. Even more if you can get free work charging

    So those 5 hours extra will save you 600 euro. As a general rule, a money saving idea is only good if it works out better than your current salary. Unless you're very highly paid (if so, by a Tesla model S) then you will end up better off financially

    Of course, the trade off is potentially making an already long commute longer. It isn't an easy trade off, so it's well worth exploring all the options like getting a work charger, seeing what chargers are along the route and getting an idea of what car you might like


    Anyway, I wouldn't give up just yet. Yes, you're an extreme case, but there are others with similarly long commutes who have gone electric and enjoyed the experience



  • Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭ pdpmur


    Ignoring the small matter of range for a moment, if you can only charge at home then there's also the issue of the charging period required nightly.

    For a 400km daily drive then, for a home charging rate of 7.3kW, the nightly charging period required will probably be at least 10 hours. So if you leave home in the morning at say 7am then the car will need to be plugged-in and charging continuously from 9pm the night before.

    Also, the car battery will be close to fully charged/discharged every work day, which will cause the car battery to degrade faster and at that annual mileage you will run out of battery warranty in less than 2 years from new.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,388 ✭✭✭✭ fits


    I did 250 km today and I’m cream crackered. That’s some commute you have. I’d rent a room!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭ Buddy Bubs


    Yes once a month I drive from Dublin to 1 or 2 of Limerick, Cork and antrim for work and I am glad I don't do it more often. Its part of my work day though not a commute. It's tough. Comfortable car a must. Good podcasts too. Fair play to OP but the depreciation of commuting somewhere in the region of 60 to 100 thousand kms a year, let's call it 80 thousand, will be as big an issue as fuel costs. If you're still doing it in a couple of years OP there might be an option for you, but it will be expensive purchase.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 174 ✭✭ Wynnie12


    Unfortunately charging at work will not be an option anytime soon. With current fuel prices and approx 70000km commute a year I'm now looking at a diesel cost of €6000+ a year. If I include service, tolls...etc the car is costing me approx 10k to run a year.

    So let's say I purchase an EV for €60,000 for a range that can handle a commute of 400km motorway driving. How much of a savings can realistically expect a year when you consider home charging at night, service, tolls...etc?

    What would concern me is the depreciation on an EV. I would think that as the technology improves the older EV's would not hold their value so well.

    How soon would I have to change a battery with this sort of mileage?



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