Could the Omagh Bombing be reinvestigated?

maccored

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/23/belfast-judge-calls-on-uk-to-investigate-omagh-bombing

I'd love to see that happening. As a person born and bred in the town, I have a few questions of my own. I think the RUC have questions to answer, considering at the time they were complaining they'd lose their danger money if the peace process went ahead. As well as the '‘Real prospect’ 1998 attack by dissident republicans could have been thwarted' as outlined by the judge, I suspect people involved in the security forces had ulterior motives to keep the conflict going. It'll be interesting to see if they can work with the government here and get to the bottom of it.

Scoundrel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058212989/could-the-omagh-bombing-be-reinvestigated

I think it was let go ahead to destroy Republican opposition to the peace process many very capable republicans in the south Armagh North Louth and South Fermanagh areas had left the PIRA and joined RIRA and CIRA and had carried out successful bombings in the lead upto Omagh many within PIRA at the time were said to be wavering.

It has also been speculated that David Rupert chose Omagh as the target though that obviously can't be verified.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058212989/could-the-omagh-bombing-be-reinvestigated

Surely you also have an interest in seeing the scumbags that did this brought to justice as well?

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015410#Comment_118015410

all of them

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015398#Comment_118015398

ive always wondered why people were sent to the bottom of market street. Every bombscare I witnessed, people were sent to the bus depot as its a large, open area. a bomb blast doesnt do as much damage in large open areas. the bottom of market st is narrow with large buildings on each side. perfect killzone.

I would imagine they were just directing everyone away from the Courthouse, which is where they were told the bomb was.

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015729#Comment_118015729

do you think that was the first time there was a bomb/bombscare at the courthouse? It wasnt. how come in all the bombscares that have happened in omagh, only once did they send them to the bottom of market st - which just happened to be where the bomb was?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016723#Comment_118016723

sorry, meant for kongsberg forum

dudley72

it is well documented

The bomb was supposed to be at the court house but they couldn’t find a parking spot so just dumped the car in one they could find.

Then the warning they have made no sense, one said the court house, the second something about Main Street which didn’t even exist

Not sure what the point of this is? Are you trying to blame someone else instead of the bombers?

Are you really saying the RUC decided after the warning to herd people towards the bomb, men, women & children so they could keep some money in wages?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016723#Comment_118016723

So what you are saying, is that the security forces knew exactly where the bomb was and directed people towards it? Despite the people responsible, you know the patriots that planned, built and deployed this bomb, not actually being that site themselves where they had left it

seriously?

the absolute desperation of republicans to find excuses for the human scum that carried this out is quite incredible.

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118017519#Comment_118017519

We need to stop using republican for these supporters, people all over ireland are republican but don’t support the rubbish we see spouted by some people and parties trying to say they are “republican”

spurious

They seem to be letting the murdering scum on both sides away with anything they did in those days if they claim it was 'pah-lidickal', so why bother?

Scoundrel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016723#Comment_118016723

I don't know about deliberately herding people towards the bomb they probably didn't confusing warnings were given but what is an absolute fact is that GCHQ had the bombers and scout cars mobile phones tracked the whole way to Omagh and could have intercepted the bomb at any time and chose not to IMO this was done deliberately to copper fasten and shore up republican support for peace process which was very shaky at that point.

This is why the families calls for a public inquiry are constantly rebuffed it's why there will never be a criminal trial of those believed to be responsible (some are dead now) as their defence teams would outline the whole sorry tale in court.

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118017632#Comment_118017632

Two phone calls traced. Not sure you could tell from "crossing the line" that they had a huge bomb in a car and planned to blow up a street full of shoppers.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/sep/15/northernireland.omagh

Scoundrel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118017671#Comment_118017671

They were tracking the phone because it had previously being used in a bombing WTF do you think they thought they were doing? And they had previously received info from at least one agent that Omagh was to be targetted around this time. The families and Nuala O Loan both quoted in the article both believe it easily could have been prevented had they wanted to IMO they didn't now this doesn't absolve those who built and planted it of blame far from it in fact but the full facts should be known and only a full public inquiry which ironically both the families and the dissidents support is continually denied by the British government and we all know why.

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118017730#Comment_118017730

You are making a statement to say people knew about the bomb and done nothing to stop it.

Why? what exactly did anyone in the intelligence etc have to gain from letting a loads of children & adults get blown up?

The reason given above was because of wages, that is absolute rubbish. The Good Friday was already in place so to me I can see no benefit to anyone to let them blow up a shopping street.

Scoundrel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118017850#Comment_118017850

It wasn't over wages no and the decision would have been made far higher than the RUC IMO it was allowed to go ahead to stop the progression of CIRA and RIRA in republican heartlands they were gaining members and support in many areas and many experienced people within PIRA were getting cold feet as regards the GFA and peace process.

Omagh obviously sickened and repulsed a great many people and solidified support for GFA amongst republicans they could say its either the peace process or Omagh now

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118017898#Comment_118017898

Bombs had been going off for years, how could the intelligence predict the RIRA would mess up the warnings and end up with the RUC herding people towards the bomb

How did they know they wouldn’t be able to find parking so park further down the street

The list of unknowns is incredible. This could of just ended up been a bomb with no casualties which could of helped the cause and not hindered it. So I don’t understand how anyone could have predicted the future in this case

Scoundrel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118017971#Comment_118017971

No guarantees of course but the more you let through the more chance you have.

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118018094#Comment_118018094

So in your opinion you think the intelligence service decided that they would allow the RIRA and others to keep on bombing in the hope at some stage they would manage to kill loads and loads of civilians?

blanch152

This is the type of extreme victim mentality that many nationalists/republicans have that they are attempting to shift the blame for a bombing away from the people who actually carried it out.

Doesn't matter what advance notice the authorities had, doesn't matter what information they had, they didn't know for certain until the psychopaths actually detonated the bombs that a bomb was going to go off. The blame for Omagh lies with the republican movement.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118017898#Comment_118017898

that's just conspiracy theory rubbish to try and deflect from the atrocity that was carried by terrorist thugs.

As was oft boasted by the PIRA, the security forces have to be lucky every single time, the terrorists just have to be lucky once. In every security force operation that fails, there re-examine all the decisions made and see if there were any that could have been made differently to give a different result. If the bombing was a "Success" then clearly the security forces made wrong decisions. That does not mean those decisions were intentionally made in the way they were.

But t this is where the conspiracy theory falls down. You are claiming the bomb was let through, that MI5 allowed the vehicle to travel across the border by not telling the RUC. Then we have Maccored telling us that the RUC were actually in on it and deliberately ushered people towards the bomb to increase the casualties.

It is all bollocks and nothing more than deflection from the actual perpetrators.

mikethecop

shinnerbots trying to rewrite history again same old trick

shameful but predictable and ongoing exploitation of the victims of sf/ira training, equipment and former members in order to manipulate those voters too young to remember their party crimes

another sick thread

Scoundrel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118018320#Comment_118018320

This shows a complete lack of awareness of the activities of the "security services" as you call them they knew that Omagh was to be be bombed that day they tracked and bugged the bombers phones how much more obvious could it have been?

Why do the British government constantly deny the request of the families for a public inquiry? Surely if it is a straight forward as you and other posters say i.e republican thugs massacre etc why not hold an inquiry that will come to that conclusion? It's because they know an inquiry would examine the role played by British intelligence and their agents and they are terrified of that and cannot allow that to happen.

Scoundrel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118018234#Comment_118018234

Do you apply that logic to the Dublin/Monaghan bombings as well? That authorities prior knowledge etc didn't matter? Of course it matters whether they knew or not ffs Though given that FF and FG governments used the thugs of the Garda SB to target and abuse those families for so many years you probably do.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118018576#Comment_118018576

Whataboutery defence.

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118018234#Comment_118018234

I dare you say that to the relatives who have been asking for the case to be reopened. they arent 'nationalists/republicans'. Usual blanch152 talk

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118019164#Comment_118019164

You are trying to accuse the RUC of herding people towards a bomb because they wanted to keep a few extra pound in pocket. I doubt any of the family have said anything of the sort?

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118019177#Comment_118019177

Of course they didn't. The families do correctly want to know what the security forces knew and what they did or didn't do. However, their primary focus of blame is elsewhere.

To use a Catholic analogy, at worst the security forces are guilty of a sin of omission, whereas the republican movement is guilty of a sin of commission, which is far more serious.

What is incredibly distasteful are the attempts by some republicans to distract from the psychopathic thugs who committed this atrocity and divert blame to the security forces.

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118019177#Comment_118019177

im not accusing - im stating the facts. Thats were people were sent, and the RUC (as they were called then) were at the time complaining about a prospective loss of income.

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118019552#Comment_118019552

my personal opinion is certain members of the security forces knowingly worked with dissidents in the Omagh bomb in a joint attempt to thwart the peace process.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118019584#Comment_118019584

Even if that is true, and it is in the furthest reaches of conspiracy theory, the man who pressed the button retains the primary responsibility.

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118019552#Comment_118019552

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118019584#Comment_118019584

The bomber blew up Omagh. Want to get information, I suggest you walk into your local Sinn Fein office and ask them. They clearly made no effort to help find and bring to justice the people who carried out the bomb. Even later on saying they would not ask for member to go to police/Gardai to give evidence.

The people who carried out the bomb will then be able to tell you if they did/didn't get help from the security forces.

As a Sinn Fein supporter that would be the quickest and best way to get answers

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118019539#Comment_118019539

Sinn Fein and the PIRA knew who carried out the bomb and would have the evidence to confirm who it was. They have stood in the way of justice at every turn. Nothing new. Yet we have these rambling threads going on about RUC etc etc etc.

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118019864#Comment_118019864

I'd also have to talk to Nuala O'Loan about the RUC info they apparently received and ignored

maccored

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118019882#Comment_118019882

is this your debating schtick? Make claims you cant back up rather than discuss the original post?

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118019904#Comment_118019904

Google is a great tool. Sinn Fein clearly giving guidance even after 4 years for people not to go to police/Gardai. Before you start we all know people out of fear would not approach the Gardai/police unless SF said so.

As we seen recently in a case when someone was afraid to talk to the Gardai and went to Sinn Fein who took two months to decide if he could/couldn't.

So if you want to know the truth, go have a chat with Sinn Fein and come back to us

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/sinn-fein-not-to-encourage-republicans-to-give-information-on-omagh-bombers-1.1092107

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118019956#Comment_118019956

I doubt you will get a response to this.