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Revoking of SACF rifles & New Legislation

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  • Oh I'm not, couldn't afford one the way I'd be letting them off €35/box is bad enough with a bolt action!

    That aside I would like to help out if there is a stand being made against this. My shooting career has been pretty siloed to date but it's time to change. However apart from writing to my TDs I don't have a scooby as to where to start.

    This is the nature of war. By protecting others, you save yourself. If you only think of yourself, you'll only destroy yourself.





  • Folks the NASRPC will be holding an EGM on the 30th September to deal with this CFSA ban and their approach.

    I would strongly urge you to contact your club's NASRPC rep(or the club owner for details of the rep) and inform them of your opposition to the incoming ban, so they can voice your views at the EGM and vote accordingly.


    Even if it is not your firearm this time around it may well be the next time, so please take the long view on this as our opponents will most certainly be doing so.

    Also consider, if this passes it will be yet another avenue closed to new shooters to join.

    No more M1 Garands, M1 Carbines and other classic CFSA rifles. Think about whether you would ever like to own one of these in the future, or even have the option of owning one, because this ban will prevent that happening.


    The general scheme has been posted here(head 2 being the pertinent one for CFSA), so the writing is most definitely on the wall and plans are in motion.

    Now is the time to get things done, before it is solidified.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban





  • I'll fully admit I take a very mercenary approach to these kindof things, and any approach that I think will help matters I'll give a try.

    At the end of the day results matter, politicking doesn't.

    With that in mind, the following:

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    See my post here for the NASRPC front, contact your club's rep and get them to voice your feelings and vote accordingly at the EGM next week.

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    Sports coalition's email address is: [email protected]

    FB page is here: https://www.facebook.com/Sports-Coalition-Ireland-112606903998853

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    FUNI - Seeking a meeting with the minister of state on this.

    FB - https://www.facebook.com/FirearmsUnitedIreland

    Or Grizzly45 is the rep here on boards.

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    TDs & Senators - Contact your local TD and/or senator and voice your opposition to this move.

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    Now is most certainly the time to make some noise on this, otherwise it will be too late and will be gone in the same manner of CF pistols.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban





  • Curiosity.


    How many of you would convert your SA to straight pull? Or would you just sell?

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  • I’d convert rather than sell. Hopefully it won’t come to that.





  • Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"





  • Would convert to either .22 or both . One good advantage to going back to manual,the mag ban on over 10 rounds is gone back to 20 rounds in CF.

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"





  • Because the conservative approach worked in the past with CF pistols, introducing the restricted/non restricted categories, magazine ban(still waiting for the NARGC's "robust response" on that one), etc. 😉

    FUNI is so named because it is the Irish offshoot of Firearms United Network, which is a mostly EU based lobbying group fighting the anti firearms measures taken by the EU.

    I don't think any pro firearms group would be looked upon favorably by the hoplophobes, no matter the naming convention used.


    Regardless of the name, if it has a chance of making things better for firearm owners then why not give it a shot.

    Not like it is making things worse, the ban was already in the works, and after this CFSA one it will be whatever else is on the chopping block.

    Maybe all restricted's.

    Maybe all S/As.

    Possibly the rest of the pistols, .22 and air included this time?


    Also if a militia was the goal there are certainly more pointed names available, Firearms United Network - Ireland is relatively self explanatory, a network, united, pro firearms, Ireland branch.

    Makes sense when looked at in it's entirety, along with the other branches:

    Austria (Österreich), Belgium, Croatia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Luxembourg, Malta, Moldova, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovenia, Sweden, United States of America.



    Finally, yes the important part of that post was indeed the name of one of the organisations on there, one of the two making moves to prevent the CFSA ban, not the call to action to ask people to get involved with their clubs, FUNI, the NASRPC, etc to do something about the incoming ban.

    Definitely the name is the important part.

    Christ, why would you focus on that with the rest of the stuff in the post.


    As I stated, "I take a very mercenary approach to these kindof things, and any approach that I think will help matters I'll give a try".

    I couldn't care less if a group was called "the gentlepersons society for sporting events" or something as milquetoast as that, so long as they were trying to do something positive for the shooting community.


    At this rate George Bernard Shaw had it right - “Put an Irishman on the spit and you can always get another Irishman to turn him”.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban





  • Dont bother Otommyboy...

    Haters gotta hate, Fudds gotta Fudd, and the hurler in the ditch always can play the match better.

    PS you forgot ancillary groups like Owners Rights Co operative[ORC] Northern Ireland and UK Shooters Rights assoc.

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



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  • I cant find anything regarding FUI other than a FB page, it seems to be controlled by one person, offers no oppertunity to post anything or questions, the posts are the sole views of its moderator.

    Therefore how can a FB page controlled by one person claim that it represents anyone, a FB following gives nobody the right to suggest that they represent the ideas or rights of anyone, I target shoot and hunt and this " group" does not represent me or my views, should we not be cautious of groups who have no mandate to speak to anyone on their behalf.

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  • Who can legally do that conversion in Ireland for you ?...I have heard a few lads suggesting this., once the licence is revoked the firearm will be required to be surrendered, so where will it go? Gardai or RFD.

    How, if you no longer have possesion of it will it leave either locations to get converted?If that could happen & the costs incured being massive, the firearm as altered would require a new application as it was modified. .. it is not as simple as " changing to a straight pull..."





  • I will not be surrendering to the Gardai. It will go to a restricted RFD.


    Depending on the firearm in question, there are potentially a few ways it can be permanently modified to a straight pull (a quick google search on converting M1 Carbines to straight pull show’s a number of options). A qualified gunsmith could do this. There are a number of competent gunsmiths in Ireland that could do this. Yes, there would be costs involved and each impacted individual would need to decide what avenue suits them best - surrender vs modify. For me personally, something is better than nothing.


    I appreciate that it would be a brand new application however on the basis you previously had a license for the firearm and demonstrate good reason for having it, there is no reason why the new application wouldn’t be granted.


    As I said in my previous post, hopefully it will not come to that. There are a number of potential legal issues with the proposed legislation and I have made my own submission to the justice committee in relation to this (this was a personal submission - I do not claim to represent anybody).





  • Www. firearmsunited.com. And if you don't have a Facebook account it's a bit hard to comment,And as has been pointed out to you and others numerous times,it isn't one person either.

    Funny you all don't B&M about SCOVI, who has a seat on the FCP,and has more potential to damage your sport as much as about FUNI,who has't any such power?

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"





  • Same old tripe.

    Multiple admins on the FUNI FB page, private chats, literally a Firearms United Network website that lists the Irish branch contact details:

    https://firearms-united.com/contact/


    It sure does represent Irish shooters, regardless of whether it represents yourself, and aside from that what on earth is the problem with another pro firearms lobby group?

    Again, not like it caused this ban, or the mag ban, or any other anti firearms measure.


    Just more backbiting crap as usual, attempting to poke holes in anything, even something that is trying to get a positive result for shooters in Ireland.


    Same arguments actually as NRA supporters in the USA use against the FPC and SAF. 🙄

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban





  • It does not have a mandate to represent anyone ...thats my point....its really quite simple





  • Why would I focus on that part “firearms United ireland” I assume you mean. Because optics are everything. First impressions last. I outlined to me and most others it seems like a militia or gun nuts organization.

    as for your strategy, I think stirring the pot causing a td to ask a question in the dail about a proposed ban. I think to leave sleeping dogs would have been appropriate. It should have been left well enough alone.

    the government should have their little threat about banning and people should have had their little worry. Should have left the status quo.

    asking a td to ask a question on it was naive at best, to me the height of stupidity.





  • Plus, which RFD in Ireland will buy one of these? You'll get cents on the euro for what you paid for these like the CF handguns, and where will they sell them to? The only option is Europe. They are not going to pay top dollar either for 2nd hand stuff from Ireland when they can sell brand new of these aplenty. Plus the paperwork and shipping to a dealer in the EU will knock more off the price you get here.It's about 150 euros to move a firearm these days by a very few specialist companies back to the EU. Sell as a deact? Nope! They buy in bulk,and it needs to be EU spec deact..Annddd we don't have any facilities in Ireland to Deact a firearm to EU standards.

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"





  • Richard308 - as for your strategy, I think stirring the pot causing a td to ask a question in the dail about a proposed ban. I think to leave sleeping dogs would have been appropriate. It should have been left well enough alone.

    the government should have their little threat about banning and people should have had their little worry. Should left the status quo.

    asking a td to ask a question on it was naive at best, to me the height of stupidity.


    Not even worth responding to this utter idiocy and delusional rubbish any further. But seeing that you missed a few memos obviously;

    Feb-Apr of 2015 SC[OVI] Calling for a ban on CFSA, along with some Fudd in the IFA inc all pistols? Of course SC[OVI] wanting an exemption on vintage and classic rifles in SA [pre-1945] to protect their own?

    2018.Revised Commissioners guidelines. Reminding all and sundry on the 2015 ministers statements. ?

    2020 First draft of this bill?


    And this is of course ALL FUNI's fault??🤣

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    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"





  • And yet it does. I am an Irish shooter, and it represents me.

    And other Irish shooters too.


    Mandate sorted, next.


    And yet by comparison to literally any "militia" name it is completely tame.

    Optics are being driven by politicians and media as it is(Irish times recent article, newstalk program, etc), so regardless of if you are a tweed wearing S/S man(or woman) or a lycra clad shooter who migrates up North for pistol & practical comps, as long as you are labelled as a gun owner you are going to be vilified, and lumped in with the criminal elements.

    Christ look at other countries where gun control is more advanced, S/As are gone, and what was next on the chopping block? "High powered sniper rifles". IE anything that could be used for hunting, precision target shooting, etc.

    The agenda of as few firearms as possible will continue if things like this ban are not fought, and infighting about whether a group has a "mandate" or because of a name "come across as loons with guns" doesn't help matters for shooters. It only serves to keep us divided, which is how the PTB want us.



    The email to gun dealers had already been sent out before a TD question was asked, which was how it was found out this was happening, so that point is a non runner, it was already in the works, the TD questions simply confirmed it.

    I heard about the rumblings around this FIRST through my local RFD, who, knowing my interests, showed me the email.


    Personally I think the height of stupidity is splitting shooters into different camps rather than all uniting. The former makes us all easy pickings, the latter a lot less so.

    Honestly I would be bored stiff at the thought of benchrest 22 shooting, but would I do anything I could to prevent it being banned if it was on the table?

    You are bloody right I would!

    An attack on any segment of the firearms community is an attack on the community as a whole, and more people need to start realizing this, ideally before we are back to S/S & O/U shotguns, the odd deer rifle and .22s.

    It isn't like it has never happened, it literally happened back 50 years ago next year!

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban



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  • as for the dail question, it gets submitted weeks/months in advance before the td actually stands up in the dail. It was in response to a dail question the audit you can play smoke and mirrors all you want

    as for the media driving it. So what, optics are everything.


    as for dividing shooters I think you’re doing a super job at that. @LIFFY FISHING asked who gave you the mandate. And you basically told him you did. You’re not elected, not accountable. How many members of funi? I believe there are over 200,000 active licenses. Do you represent 1%?

    just stop talking about this. The more this is agitated the more likely legislation will come. And no td will vote against it.





  • Nor me. I will represent myself however I do hope the NASRPC put forward a strong submission.





  • So it has to represent a certain number of shooters?

    A percentage, what?


    Come on, this mandate rubbish is crap.

    Nope it wasn't, look at the timeline and you will see, AFAIK from posts here, the letter itself, etc, that the question happened after the email to RFDs.

    Don't believe me, then go and ask an RFD could they tell you the date on the email.


    FUNI represents a section of Irish shooters. Not you evidently, but it still represents some Irish shooters.

    The NARGC represent the most and what noise are they making on this?

    Absolutely nothing.

    They have a mandate(I guess, from your words on mandates and other crap) and are doing zilch, so what good are they in this case?


    "The more this is agitated the more likely legislation will come. And no td will vote against it."?????????????????

    What planet are you on?

    The legislation's general scheme is already on the books, it is no longer a question like in the past 6 years of when or whether it will happen.

    It is happening, what do you think all this talk will make it happen sooner?

    Come on, the PTB wheels are already in motion and the time to get involved and bloody well do something, FUNI or literally any other org, I couldn't care less about the details, is now!

    Contact your own TDs, Senators, go to constituency clinics and push them on this.



    Why people are getting so hung up on one org(again one of the two orgs actually making moves to prevent this) and wasting so much time and breath on it when you could be doing something productive it beyond me.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban





  • All depends on the meeting on the 30th, so if your club is affiliated with the NASRPC get onto the club rep and inform them of your wishes so they can voice your concerns and vote accordingly.


    FUNI is definitely going to be the most controversial of firearm orgs in Ireland and thus will not garner the support it otherwise might. I couldn't give a toss whether people back them, another org, or just as individuals.

    The important thing is to get involved, and push back on this.


    I'm a member of FUNI, member of a club affiliated with the NASRPC, and NARGC member too.

    I've been pushing through all 3 to try and get some momentum going for this, and doing my bit at an individual level too.


    As I said previously, I take a very mercenary approach to this and any other anti firearm moves, I will back any org who actually does something.

    Be that FUNI, NASRPC, NARGC, even SCOVI if they make some noise about it.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban





  • NARGC is going to end up in this no matter what they say simply because if there is even ONE SA owner with NARGC membership they are obliged to commit under their terms of membership.

    @otommyboy2.

    We must be doing something right then...If this collective bunch of posters feel compelled to comment all the time here?😀

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"





  • You obviously know nothing of how nargc works. I hope you're not counting on their finances to bail you out.





  • My last post on the subject of proposed banning of CF Semi Autos. Very simple and I hope everyone can understand

    Its not on the cards, not happening, those on the justice committee no longer looking at this.

    And if you want to thank anyone, thank 3 people including myself, but really thank the other two, I just turned up and shot.

    This issue is dead right now with the govt, not going ahead despite some peoples agendas.

    You may ask for proof, well just trust a fellow shooter for a change.





  • @jb88 Answer my above question, please.

    What was done, by whom, where, who was involved and what is the official outcome that we can expect to see?

    A straight answer btw, not some non answer, cryptic nonsense either. This topic is to important for massaging anyone's ego. Its also too important for a "wait and see". If you know something, spill it. For no other reason than to put lad's minds at ease, and get the word out there because for the last six years, and especially given the RFD questionaire & publication of the content of the bill, sales will grind to a halt and lads are considering their options for selling their firearms.

    If this is truly settled and done (as in dead) either tell us what was done and by whom, or at least link to your own site, blog or whatever (if its the credit you seem to crave, as it will surely come).

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  • MODERATOR NOTE.


    @jb88 Your sum total interaction/input with this thread has been, from day one, to dismiss any claims of this being a real issue even in the face of a drafted bill, from the Justice website. You're entitled to your opinion so no harm there, but the claim you made above is serious, has very real consequences, and needs to be shared with the shooting community.

    As you refuse to answer a simple, straight forward, and direct question which has no other "agenda" (I'm not interested, nor involved in the organisation/name pissing match currently going on) other than to settle the nerves of everyone involved. Your refusal to do so means you're trolling or something more insidious hence your last few posts and replies to them have been deleted.


    If any replies to this thread, from you, are aything other than a proper explanation I'll assume you are continuing to troll and will act appropriately.

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