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Older cars disappearing rapidly off our roads

  • 28-08-2021 8:57pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 7,635 ✭✭✭ BrianD3


    We don't have a howmanyleft.co.uk equivalent in this country but some reasonable assumptions can be made from the NCT stats for each year. I was only made aware of these recently

    https://www.rsa.ie/RSA/Your-Vehicle/Your-Vehicle-/NCT-Statistics-/

    E.g comparing the 2015 stats with the 2020 stats there is a massive decline in many cars in the bangernomics category. E.g..

    Number of 2002 Ford Mondeos presented for a full test in 2015 was 1756

    Number of 2002 Ford Mondeos presented for a full test in 2020 was 109

    For 2002 Renault Lagunas, the figures are 1188 and 38 respectively.

    C segment cars i.e. the Focus and Megane have a better survival rate in this period. Smaller engines so lower tax and insurance. I'm not sure how big the banger racing scene is in his country but that could be another factor in smaller cars lasting longer.

    Edit: Covid may have been a factor in 2020 but not a huge one. The number of 2002 Mondeos presented for a test in 2019 was 206.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭ 1874


    Older cars really seem to drop off, now and again you might see a rare unabused type.

    I was drving behing a Daewoo Matiz earlier, in some ways Id like to see one in good nick with low mileage.

    Most cars here tend to get well used imo, passed on to whoever can afford them and used to their max as family cars throughout their life.

    At a certain point, its not economically viable to keep them going or do the work thats required to keep them going imo, usually owners dont have excess space to store them even if the cars themselves are viable.



  • Registered Users Posts: 455 ✭✭ shane b


    As per an earlier thread there were 100,000 pre 2008 scrapped in 2020. A lot depends on whether the older cars are worth to the person to get repaired. Older cars can turn into money pits.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    I was drving behing a Daewoo Matiz earlier, in some ways Id like to see one in good nick with low mileage.

    the worst built car i've ever driven was a matiz. i don't know if any could have survived.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭ saabsaab


    Had a Matiz for a while thought it was ok. You don't see many older Saabs about anymore, like the 9000 or older model 93.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭ RandomViewer


    The Saabs wouldn't have been big sellers to begin with , Matiz build quality would've been OK, had a Lanos back in the day,sound deadening could've been better but better assembled than the Kadett they were based on



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    ~100 (some 1999 will be Mk2) Mk1 Puntos NCted in 2019 - there were probably 100 in my town in 1999!

    TWO original Pandas, and one is a 2001 so will be a Polish import.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭ 1874


    I think it was a quirky and odd car, I quite like seeing one survive, possibly it was awful to drive? I never did. The car I disliked the most an 08 kia rio, mainly because it was painful on my back, Id still like to see the odd one around the place though.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    so many (admittedly trivial) things went wrong with it. the seat adjustment mechanism failed twice (basically what was a bicycle brake cable snapped) so when you accelerated, the seat slid back and lifted your foot off the pedal, and the car came to a halt; or you braked, and the seat slid forward, burying your foot on the brake pedal and the car came to a halt. the rearview mirror kept falling off, the anti-theft device (basically a magnet in the key) kept falling out; i could go on...



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    Number of 2002 Ford Mondeos presented for a full test in 2015 was 1756

    Number of 2002 Ford Mondeos presented for a full test in 2020 was 109

    there's quite a difference between a 13 year old car and an 18 year old car - as someone mentioned above, often with an 18 year old car, addressing an NCT fail would often be more than the car was worth.

    also, as some insurance companies don't want to deal with 18 year old cars the insurance difference alone may make the car not worth holding on to.

    this is the oldest mondeo i can find on carzone - €1k for an 18 year old car with 400k on the clock?

    https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/ford/mondeo/fpa/202108035791466



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  • Registered Users Posts: 49,827 ✭✭✭✭ bazz26


    It's only natural that there are going to be less 18 year old cars on the road compared to 13 year old ones. The older a car gets the more chance of it needing repair and at some point the cost of repairing it becomes uneconomical.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,635 ✭✭✭ BrianD3


    The decrease for the Alfa 156 is not quite as bad as I thought it would be. Probably due to having an enthusiast following. 156s that make it to 10-15 years old would have a reasonable chance of becoming survivors in the long term. Also, there are probably quite a number SORDed as it is the sort of car that people might hang on to with the intention of restoring it some day.

    For all alfa 156s (1998-2007)

    2015: 1293 cars were presented for an NCT

    2019: 297 cars were presented for an NCT

    Mk3 Mondeo and Laguna IIs won't have much of an enthusiast following until they approach vintage status. 13 year old examples in 2015 were probably on their last legs having had multiple owners and dogs abuse with "big engine" tax making them near worthless for anything except banger racing.

    Unsurprisingly, similar age Toyota Corollas haven't declined as much and I'd say the Mk1 Yaris is better again due to having ongoing value as a starter car and runabout.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭ Ken Mc Carthy


    Jeez, had a beautiful ford ORION, beautiful car to look at / drive but did she break my heart?? Forever in the garage.....not suprised they dissappeared very quickly off the roads...... nightmare of a car



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,344 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    richard bruton's plan to have 1m EVs on the road in however many years probably depended on getting rid of all those older cars.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭ maestroamado


    I expect there is a bit of collusion between the motor industry and insurance companies as a lot of insurance don't want cars older than 15/20 years.

    NCT i was talking to a guy who works in one of the centres recently and he told me that some 171 cars that were presented this year for 1st test were failing same, i did not ask and he didn't say detail...



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,988 ✭✭✭ Padre_Pio


    Old cars are dirt cheap in Ireland, especially pre-08 cars in a high tax bracket.

    For most, it doesn't make a lot of sense to put €300 into keeping a €1000 car on the road, and €300 is probably the minimum cost of parts/labour for a small job. We don't have a culture of car maintenance, unlike the US or to a lesser extent the UK.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭ Montage of Feck


    The Irish "motor industry" what a cod! If nobody ever bought a new car ever again the effect on the economy would be negligible at worst.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,510 Mod ✭✭✭✭ L1011


    You'd expect some to fail - plenty are going to go in with bald tyres or other wear related failures that they didn't notice / check for. Maybe a bit less so in the next few years as a lot of cars have racked up much less mileage in 20/21



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,835 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Sam Russell


    The scammers angle cannot be that significant because if it was it would get more prominence in the media.

    However, the insurance companies try anything on to increase premiums as in dual pricing. They Central Bank should take a more active role in making sure they do not rip off their customers, but that is not likely to be effective. There needs to be more policing of drivers who are on the road uninsured, unlicensed, unaccompanied learner, or driving while banned from driving.

    A driver banned from driving should be facing a custodial sentence at least for the second offence. Seized vehicles should become the property of the state or be crushed.

    Age of the vehicle should not be a factor for insurance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭ MacDanger


    I think for a valid comparison, the figures you should be looking at are:

    Number of 2002 Ford Mondeos presented for a full test in 2015 was 1756

    Number of 2007 Ford Mondeos presented for a full test in 2020 was 1049

    For 2002/2007 Renault Lagunas, the figures are 1188 and 66 respectively

    I think your overall point still stands though



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,835 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Sam Russell


    You need to take account of the number purchased in the relevant years, plus some idea of how many were imported second hand.

    Your point stands though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,635 ✭✭✭ BrianD3



    By 2007 the Laguna Ii was on its last legs (and had acquired a rep for unreliability) with the Laguna III arriving late in the year in time for the January 2008 market. So there were probably a small number of Lagunas sold in 2007. The Mondeo Mk4 also arrived in 2007 but earlier in the year so the new model had a chance to generate some sales before the end of the year

    Also, there may have been a general move away from D segment cars at this point with cars like Qashqai etc. starting to take over



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭ maestroamado


    It wasn't bald tyres he said mechanical failure and he was surprised how many of 4 year old cars in obvious condition failing because of dodgy bits...



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭ RandomViewer


    One of the most obvious things I've noticed lately is newer SUVs with bad tyres, is it a PCP thing, zero maintenance?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,988 ✭✭✭ Padre_Pio


    Wonder if they tyres themselves are bad.

    Watched a video recently, where new motorbikes were sold with substandard Pirelli's made in their Brazilian factory, while the proper ones are made in Germany.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv97i_-V7hA&t=383s



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