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Freeman on the land and gangland criminals

  • 31-07-2021 5:07pm
    #1
    Big Gerry
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    Has any gangland or serious criminal ever used the freeman on the land stuff in court ?

    I'm guessing that if the freeman stuff really worked criminals would be the first to use it to get away with crimes.



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  • #2
    coylemj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,620 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Gangland and 'serious' (your description) criminals know how the system works and can afford to employ competent lawyers. Or they get free legal aid and are represented by equally competent lawyers.

    Unlike the naive fools who take advice from charlatans with little or no legal knowledge. Who typically end up homeless and/or bankrupt.



  • #3
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,997 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058201672/freeman-on-the-land-and-gangland-criminals

    Criminals are the only people who could use it to get away with crimes. Innocent people don't have any crimes to get away with.

    But, no. It doesn't work. It's complete shîte. The people who try to use it may or may not be criminals, but what they have in common is that they are gullible and deluded.



  • #4
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Actual criminal law and defences such as admissibility of evidence, fruits of the poison tree, intoxication of witnesses, possibility of a different perpetrator, privacy of data protection, jury influence etc etc etc is a much better way of getting a conviction overturned, a mistrial, a lesser sentence or a unarguable case which means less or no time incarcerated. The people know that because they have seen it work.


    freeman principles and pseudo arguments only phillibustet a trial or make a slight impact which is easily out manoeuvred. So if the person is in jail it’s just a little distraction and never been successful as far as I know in any jurisdiction. If it was being argued in a serious case with the person on bail, it would be the subject of pretrial litigation or probably a judicial review which would be thrown out based on existing precedent and the lawyers told to appeal after the initial trial (and if they are appealing the accused is in jail). Also these frivolous cases would not be covered under legal aid and these aren’t free.

    from what I have seen people are sucked in by a charismatic orator who is playing at law to the detriment of the clients. They make great sound bites but are similar (in my opinion) to the pseudo anti vac experts who use concepts that appear to be legitimate but under the surface are bullshit

    So if your lifelong liberty is at risk you won’t be using a strategy that has never worked and try legal jurisprudence that is legitimate.



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