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  • Registered Users Posts: 41,827 ✭✭✭✭ SEPT 23 1989

    there is a different level of undesirables in Manchester that I hope we will never have here

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,058 ✭✭✭ corner of hells

  • Registered Users Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭ Thelonious Monk

    Never been to Manchester but I saw a doc about homeless people there all mad out of it on Spice, that weird synthetic weed stuff that I wouldn't recommend ever smoking! It's almost as if all cities have their problems.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭ tinytobe

    I hear you. Some places in the UK are like that.

    Only what I was wondering is how come Manchester can build high rises, and Dublin can't.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭ Ray Palmer

    Liverpool is horrible. The city centre pubs are really rough. Women walking around with their hair half done is some weird thing over there.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭ tinytobe

    In know that the UK has bad places but I've heard that Liverpool is better now than it used to be. Apparently the Isle of Sheppey in England is bad.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ Greyfox

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭ BronsonTB

    BTB - Be sure to hit the 'Thanks' button please.

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    Well if one video of an incident sparks outrage online, it can’t be that common an occurrence can it? Otherwise there’d be a load of videos of similar incidents everyday.

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,763 ✭✭✭ dublinman1990

    I read an article from thejournal that a youth was assaulted by by about 20 other males at Parnell St Luas station last night.

    The Irish Examiner reported that the Luas driver had put the situation under control. Well done that man. He was very brave to stop this worrying incident. It's been reported by one of the passengers from the article below that one of the males who fled the scene at Parnell St was carrying a butcher's knife. F*cking hell. That is f*cking disturbing.

    This is the type of worrying trend that needs to be stamped out in Dublin for good. The Guards were called in to stop this incident from getting worse. But there is no form of proper deterrent involved afterwards once the scumbags involved in getting caught are not going to be properly punished for their violent behavior.

    Is this the actual reality we want to be living from now on while we live around the city & the suburbs?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭ John_Rambo

    Parnell st. isn't in the suburbs. But, it's unacceptable. Transport police & Metro police needed in the city. Have you lobbied your local TD on these issues?

  • Registered Users Posts: 16 jamsie2001

    Yeah, and I don't know why anyone would spend a small fortune to live in Stoneybatter - I've never seen such an amount of trash there one Saturday morning - and this was two years before the pandemic..

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16 jamsie2001

    The quays area from O'Connell St to Heuston needs a total revamp. How hard can that be? Dublin has a lot of nice suburbs, mainly by the coast. I'm not that gone on the north inner city, though, nor on the West side of Dublin generally.

  • Pluses of dublin:

    Range of eating, drinking, entertainment, shopping/services and sporting options, public facilities better, esp transport options

    Not hard to see why anyone could choose to value the above over the pluses of living elsewhere

  • Registered Users Posts: 16 jamsie2001

    I cycled through Dublin a few times during lockdown in 2021 and the litter and dirt was unbelievable from that bridge opposite the Abbey Theatre, which is also heavily graffitied, to the streets around Pearse St. I am really ashamed as a Dubliner to see this state of our streets and angry that nobody in Dublin City Council or in Leinster House seems to care.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,867 ✭✭✭ John_Rambo

    I spent a good few hours walking around the above mentioned areas on Tuesday and didn't witness any serious amounts of littering. What "trash" are you talking about, it's a very American word. Are you talking about plastic bags and general rubbish or fly tipping? Or trash bins waiting for "dumpsters" on the "sidewalk"? Google street view seems to back up my experiences, but you've never seen such an amount of "trash" in your life there? I've seen worse in a ditch in Donegal where there's a lot less people.

    Stonybatter is a cracking, vibrant city centre area with amazing amenities. I can 100% see why a young wealthy person with lots of disposable income would buy a house there. I know young people that have done and are very happy with their investment.

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭ riclad

    I thought jackeen was just a dublin expression I can't see Ireland population going up that much .

    people in the EU know rents here are high rental units mediocre and expensive I simply do not think we have the building workforce required to build 20 k houses per year, the government plans maybe 2 years in advance it can only spend X amount per year on housing Gardai salarys hse health care must be paid for every year it can't suddenly reduce the amount spent on health care to build more houses

    We are not America where they can print money i think the birth rate is quite low at the moment what keeps the economy going is non nationals from the EU working in shops hotels Cafes

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ Greyfox

    We need to find the money from somewhere, borrow more even and build, build and build some more. We're in a housing crisis that's going to cause massive problems down the road with so many pensioners that will be renting. Dublin needs to enter the high rise building world.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,763 ✭✭✭ dublinman1990

    Even though I have not been walking around Dublin City Centre for over 3 years at this point. The legacy of the city environ's during the lifetime of the pandemic really has taken a big hit in it's confidence in how it actually functions properly to people who live around the wider parts of the country.

    I know that it may not be that much of a surprise for you to read that statement here on boards because it does strike a very familiar tone into people that have dealt with their struggles during this difficult situation. Every other major city around the world has experienced the pandemic like everyone else.

    Anyone who has lived in these other parts of the world regrettably has to take an equal share of the pain in how their own environment has degraded all around them as a result of the pandemic right in front of their own eyes.

    It's just that Dublin's problems with drug abuse & homelessness that were established in parts of the north inner city since the 70's & 80's were just magnified to become worse in a very dramatic way when Covid came into existence. And the effects of that problem were just hitting the nail right in people's heads.

    You would hear of a huge list of things like the following that have occurred with the environment of Dublin City Centre during that time.

    You would hear of innocent people getting needlessly stabbed by swathes of thugs

    People becoming victims of hit & runs

    People getting involved in anti-vax protests

    People openly taking drugs & harassing innocent people using the trains

    And people who have been attacking & assaulting frontline workers like those working in food delivery services, healthcare, public transport & also towards members of the Gardai.

    It's just one huge level of crap that needs to be properly addressed once COVID eventually dies down. Dublin has taken some positive steps to cope with these issues in the interim. I would say that increasing the presence of the Gardai around the city has made a very positive effect in how the city can manage it's reputation of becoming something that resembles a functional city once again. Again I say functional. I know it's not perfect. However it is something that's better than nothing. I don't how far that presence will go tbh. Because it is something that may not last because these Gardai that are on the beat around the city may have other duties to be doing while doing this job.

    The situation with the IÉ workers who had voted for industrial action because of anti social behaviour occurring on their services is something that I do understand from their pov. I think the same thing will happen with the bus and Luas drivers too sometime in the near future. I think when you hear of teenage thugs & people from other age groups actively involved in spitting on drivers as a way of spite for not wearing a mask on the bus or on the Luas is utterly scummy behaviour. I don't not blame drivers or other PT workers in that situation if they had to vote for industrial action in this way.

    I don't know how the city would improve itself beyond that though with keeping things just ticking over with little to no intervention. If people working out on the frontline in Dublin are going on strike who are knowingly doing it during these times within our own capital city. There must be major drivers of worthwhile changes needed to allow that to happen.

    These guys are a sending a very clear message out there that large cohorts of peaceful people who live around the city & county are fed up with scumbags who are going around the city & are treating it like a shithole to further their own detriment.

    The levels of anti social behaviour that is occurring out there on the streets of Dublin right now as a result of Covid just cannot be tolerated by countless sections of normal people anymore.

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭ riclad

    Yes we need to borrow to build but we are limited by eu borrowing limits, but we also need to get 1000s of workers back who left 2 years ago to go back to eu countrys. x per cent of young people like to fight ,thats common in every city.theres good areas, quiet area,s ,random standard apartment blocks, this happens, an area becomes cool, coffee and cool cafes open there,.Prices go thru the roof,only rich middle class people can afford to buy a house there .its gentrified.Dublin has a choice ,become a modern city, build large high rise apartment blocks or young people will leave as they cannot afford to buy houses, renting long term with rising rents is not a great solution for most people

    Every city has homeless people and drug users . I think it would be ridiculous to have your whole experience of the city be ruined by a tiny percentage of idiots, it would be like banning driving because there's a few people who drink and drive. The homeless people I see sleep in tents or maybe beg for money with a paper cup I don't see them as threatening at all. Maybe slightly annoying. Every city has lowlife and criminals . You d have to be very close to someone to know if they are using drugs. Read up on new York crime in the 70s. It makes dublin look like quiet. Even building 10 or 20k houses will not make much difference , what we need is high rise apartment blocks for young people, and workers to buy or rent at a reasonable price. It's a ridiculous waste of resources to be building 3 bed houses within 5 miles of the gpo. Germany has a national building program well planned if the population gos up by 100 k they build 95k housing units. I don't know how long it will take to get back to normal, almost every street with shops on it has 2 or more vacant units, for rent for the last year.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭ tinytobe

    Thanks for that description of things. I honestly wasn't aware that things are this bad in Dublin these days. I am only aware of the sky high cost of renting. Maybe it's pressures like these combined with the pandemic which are creating these scenarios.

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭ riclad

    I, ve never seen anyone taking crack or heroin on the street. , the problem I see is many streets are 75 per cent empty, shops or cafes that are closed for the last 2 years. Even grafton street has a few empty shops. Will those shops ever open again, I don't know. I think there's so many people working from home many cafes coffee shops can't make a profit, they rely on people working in offices that are now empty. Will things get better or will we end up with dozens of empty shops for years. Or will landlords have to look for new tenants.dublin city council has workers going around emptying bins and ckeaning streets

  • Registered Users Posts: 74,383 ✭✭✭✭ Atlantic Dawn

    I've seen open dealing almost every single day when I worked in city centre, there's a complete blind eye to it. Whenever I'm abroad and people say they want to visit Ireland and in particular Dublin I tell them not to go anywhere near the place as it's a complete drug ridden kip.

    I pity the large corporations investing millions in the city, particularly those working on the former Clerys site, they should just burn their money in the open air, the area it's in can not be dekipified as there's too many bleeding hearts wanting to keep the 'unwell' scum about the area. Arnotts should be given a refund of all rates for 2021 for having to have the front of their magnificent store kipified by the scrounger scumbag market stalls selling thrash and knock off rubbish every Christmas on Henry Street.

  • Registered Users Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭ Ray Palmer

    Dealing is not the same as taking in the open air. I have been in other countries and seen open use of hard drugs on the streets. Drug addiction is a health issue not a criminal one.

    No need to pity large corporation making a ton of money in Ireland. Go to any Spanish city and the graffiti is a huge issue. Very minor issue here in comparison. Markets you don't like are all over Europe. We don't have the illegal immigrants selling tat on a blanket running away from the cops every 20 minutes like other European cities. It is of course different from a small town in Ireland but it is city living.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,553 CMod ✭✭✭✭ ancapailldorcha

    I lived there for 18 months. Had very few issues. Got hassled and threatened by scum on the Metrolink about twice I think. Had some junkies moved in by a desperate and incompetent agent. That's about it. Overall, I found the place much easier to live in than Dublin. Much cheaper, better airport, 2 hour trains to London, friendly locals and all the amenities you'd expect in Dublin which are often better.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith

  • Registered Users Posts: 7,981 ✭✭✭ riclad

    I can see nothing in this thread that shows that dublin is worse than other european city's, I have never seen anyone openly selling drugs, I can see a problem with many small shops and coffee shops that depend on office workers buying coffee grocerys etc will they be able to stay in business if most office workers continue to stay at home working from home. There's people posting here who seem to be obsessed with drug users who maybe make up less than 1 per cent of the population i would be more concerned with the large department stores that have closed in the last 2 years Debenhams etc dublin is the capital where most of the big tech offices are located I would expect it to be more exoensive than a UK northern town if you google homeless new York or Los Angeles camps you'll see other places have a much worse homeless problem than dublin

  • Registered Users Posts: 26,561 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78

    we actually can create a limited amount of money ourselves, by borrowing and running a perpetual deficit, we also have the abilities to create our own financial institutions, public banks, and use these to create a limited supply of money through lending, but we may never actually do this.....

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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,599 ✭✭✭✭ The Nal

    Biggest problem with Dublin (apart from housing) are the gangs of little scumbags roaming about. They had the place to themselves during lockdown. But theres always been gangs of scum in Dublin city centre.

    But its far better and much safer than other cities. Try London or Manchester for knife crime, Chicago for shootings or San Francisco or San Diego for homeless people.

    We have it good in comparison.

    This is what San Diego looks like. And not the outskirts, right in the city. Everywhere.