Answer me this!

KKkitty

Even before COVID-19 this used to happen here and there but after COVID-19 it's really seemed to be on the rise. Especially with vaccines being rolled out I've been hearing from more that their next door neighbour's friend's, sister in law or whoever was vaccinated and low and behold is virtually incapacitated afterwards. It's never them seeing the actual person who's allegedly incapacitated. It's always a rumour they stupidly believe just because someone else said it. I get that people have anxiety about the vaccine but would you rather have the possibility of being intubated or a few seconds of a preventative vaccine being administered? "Big Pharma" isn't out to get you.

Some people may have decided that their risk in getting Covid and the outcome is less than what may happen if they take a new vaccine. That's their choice.

lintdrummer

Apparently Pfizer 2nd dose is the worst for it. A very good friend of mine's wife got it, she works in healthcare, and the second dose left her feeling a bit rough for a day. Nothing serious enough to stop her going to work.
My own mother got it and no issue whatsoever after the second dose, though the doctor told her to take Panadol every four hours for 2 days and drink lots of water.

10pennymixup

Deleted User wrote: »

Some people may have decided that their risk in getting Covid and the outcome is less than what may happen if they take a new vaccine. That's their choice.

These are the same people whose risk of catching it is getting lower and lower everyday solely because others are doing the right thing and getting vaccinated.

Selfish *******s!!!!!!!!!!!

10pennymixup

10pennymixup wrote: »

These are the same people whose risk of catching it is getting lower and lower everyday solely because others are doing the right thing and getting vaccinated.

Selfish *******s!!!!!!!!!!!

Well I have my own mixed views on it. I understand why people would be angry with those who decline the vaccine.

KKkitty

I've had my first vaccine. I'm not a "sheep. I'm doing what I can to prevent the spread of it. In any of our communities there's some who due to immuno-compromised conditions may not be able to get vaccinated. Due to those conditions if they were to get it it would be serious. Those who've made the vaccines have studied immunology. They know how viruses work. Vaccines have prevented so much. Some conditions are virtually eradicated because of them.

Atlantic Dawn

In Ireland our approach to having zero benefit to being vaccinated combined with the recent Israel approach to remasking is not going to do the vaccination process here any favours, lots of people will reject it on basic facts.

FileNotFound

Focusing on the OP - this phenomenon of exaggerated side effect stories is quite interesting alright.

Social media being so prominent may be the real change in society today. We all know stories get embellished with time, it just seems to happen so much faster now.

Combine that with having a questionable view on vaccines and its the perfect recipe for disaster.

It is very interesting alright, funny how the human mind loses logical thread and works hard to justify a view (both ways ironically - both pro and anti vax).

Coopaloop

My mam (77) got her first dose no prob, but her second does she was fairly sick after for a few days. Shes absolutely fine now, but I 100% think if she had actually caught covid she would be a goner based on her reaction to the vaccine. So glad shes fully vaccinated now, and I cant wait to get mine, my husband got his first jab today and hes nursing a dead arm right now ðŸ˜

KKkitty

FileNotFound wrote: »

Focusing on the OP - this phenomenon of exaggerated side effect stories is quite interesting alright.

Social media being so prominent may be the real change in society today. We all know stories get embellished with time, it just seems to happen so much faster now.

Combine that with having a questionable view on vaccines and its the perfect recipe for disaster.

It is very interesting alright, funny how the human mind loses logical thread and works hard to justify a view (both ways ironically - both pro and anti vax).

With everything online being so easily manipulated I'm sceptical of everything I see. All it can take is someone buying followers to make it seem like they're legit or whatever and finding a video or image of another person who's obviously incapacitated for whatever reason and spinning a narrative that isn't true. It could be someone who had a stroke pre COVID-19 and they can say this is my mother or father who had the Pfizer/Astra-Zeneca/Moderna or J&J vaccine and this is what they're like now. Why lie and post something that didn't happen?

Coopaloop

Coopaloop wrote: »

My mam (77) got her first dose no prob, but her second does she was fairly sick after for a few days. Shes absolutely fine now, but I 100% think if she had actually caught covid she would be a goner based on her reaction to the vaccine. So glad shes fully vaccinated now, and I cant wait to get mine, my husband got his first jab today and hes nursing a dead arm right now ðŸ˜

I thought the same after my first AZ shot, that because of how terrible I felt afterwards Covid would do a right number in me. There is no correlation I don't think.

Potential-Monke

The father was a bit sniffly and run down for a day after the second Pfizer shot, the mother is convinced the second shot caused a shooting pain in her hip for 3 days. Partly nocebo I reckon.

kowloon

I read that the uptake of the vaccine could be low enough that it will continue to circulate indefinitely along with all the risks of mutation that come with that. Perhaps the virus would have been taken more seriously if it was more deadly or left more people in a messed up long-covid state. It probably doesn't help that not only are there lockdowns, but we live more isolated from our neighbours than before. People incapacitated by disease are off-loaded onto the healthcare system and are out of sight and mind. That leaves plenty of rent-free brain space to be taken up by bull**** about 5G tracking devices or whatever other conspiracy theories are out there. Then there are people who are just afraid of needles.

Potential-Monke

kowloon wrote: »

I read that the uptake of the vaccine could be low enough that it will continue to circulate indefinitely along with all the risks of mutation that come with that. Perhaps the virus would have been taken more seriously if it was more deadly or left more people in a messed up long-covid state.

If that's the case, the mutations will occur, the unvaccinated will have little to no protection from the mutations, which will get more severe over time, because nature hates humanity, and they will die off. While us who will be vaccinated will have early protection against most of the variants, or at least some protection, and so the vaccinated strong will survive.

Or at least that's gonna be the plot of the Covid related Hollywood popcorn film will be about. Or something. Tom Cruise will star.

Andrea B.

KKkitty wrote: »

Even before COVID-19 this used to happen here and there but after COVID-19 it's really seemed to be on the rise. Especially with vaccines being rolled out I've been hearing from more that their next door neighbour's friend's, sister in law or whoever was vaccinated and low and behold is virtually incapacitated afterwards. It's never them seeing the actual person who's allegedly incapacitated. It's always a rumour they stupidly believe just because someone else said it. I get that people have anxiety about the vaccine but would you rather have the possibility of being intubated or a few seconds of a preventative vaccine being administered? "Big Pharma" isn't out to get you.

First Moderna shot ok. Sore arm.
Second shot caused a few days of heavy lethargy/fatigue.

cj maxx

Andrea B. wrote: »

First Moderna shot ok. Sore arm.
Second shot caused a few days of heavy lethargy/fatigue.

First AZ , went to bed about 6 and slept for 12 hours.
Second one no side effects at all.

I lived in a country were they didn't really take vaccines. Didn't trust them etc.
There was a massive outbreak of measles when I was there and 15 children died. FFS.
I'm fully vaccinated against covid.

KKkitty

KKkitty wrote: »

Even before COVID-19 this used to happen here and there but after COVID-19 it's really seemed to be on the rise. Especially with vaccines being rolled out I've been hearing from more that their next door neighbour's friend's, sister in law or whoever was vaccinated and low and behold is virtually incapacitated afterwards. It's never them seeing the actual person who's allegedly incapacitated. It's always a rumour they stupidly believe just because someone else said it. I get that people have anxiety about the vaccine but would you rather have the possibility of being intubated or a few seconds of a preventative vaccine being administered? "Big Pharma" isn't out to get you.

I known a few who been panned out with the vaccines,including my folks....but only for a day or 2 max

But the alternative is worse,if the vaccine make yous that sick,imagine what the virus would do to them

knucklehead6

I’m getting the vaccine.

My fear isn’t getting the disease/virus. I’m young enough and healthy enough that I’d be reasonably confident if a full recovery.

My fear is getting the virus and spreading it. Causing someone else to get sick, Someone who may not survive.

I’m getting the vaccine.

Brian?

I spent 2 days in bed sick after my first Pfizer shot. I’ll 100% go for my 2nd though.

I take my social responsibility very seriously. There are people who are at risk because they can’t be vaccinated, I’m protecting them. A couple of days sick isn’t enough to put them at risk, that’s a fact and not an opinion.

ambro25

Mrs has both Pfizer jabs. “Covid arm” on both occasions, but nothing worse.

Her colleague (whom she saw on day that colleague had had her 2nd jab) also had Pfizer. Very severe reaction, had to have doctor out, with horse treatment for 48 hours.

I had single-dose Johnson & Johnson. Flu-like for 48 hours approx, 38.5+ temp, enough to need a sick day off work. The first in however-many-years-I-can’t-remember, I’d forgotten what being ill was like.

Still, very small beer in the name of putting this pandemic behind us.

And I read a meme-like post yesterday that, to me, really brought it home. Younger ones, the reason why many of you don’t have that small scar on your arm, and many of us older ones do, is because smallpox vaccination was compulsory for decades.

TP_CM

Has there been any kids born yet to parents who were vaccinated prior to conception? My female friends are worried on that front.

One question I had, is you know the way say 0.00001% of people in their 30s may experience some weird reaction to the vaccine? Are they the same subset of people who would react badly to the virus itself? Is it possible to categorically say that a bad reaction to the vaccine means you would have eventually been one of the unlucky ones who had a bad reaction to the virus? Just seems like the complications generally come from the anti bodies themselves. And in order for the vaccine to work, your body needs to create the same anti bodies as the virus itself?

Jim2007

FileNotFound wrote: »

Focusing on the OP - this phenomenon of exaggerated side effect stories is quite interesting alright.
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It is nothing new though….

If you get the flu you will be completely knocked out for two weeks or more and it will probably take you a couple of more weeks to recover. Yet we have people having the flu one week and going dancing the next week.

And then we have the ones with the terrible depression, which they clearly don’t have! This one particularly annoys me because it trivializes a serious health issue for those that do suffer from it.

There are four of us in this our house and we have had the double jab of Pfizer and apart from a couple of sore arms and feeling a bit tired for 24 hours, nothing absolutely nothing. Now given all the complaints the laws of probability would suggest at least one of us should have had issues but no absolutely not.

mulbot

knucklehead6 wrote: »

I’m getting the vaccine.

My fear isn’t getting the disease/virus. I’m young enough and healthy enough that I’d be reasonably confident if a full recovery.

My fear is getting the virus and spreading it. Causing someone else to get sick, Someone who may not survive.

I’m getting the vaccine.

Getting the vaccine doesn't stop you spreading it, according to the HSE

Wibbs

KKkitty wrote: »

With everything online being so easily manipulated I'm sceptical of everything I see. All it can take is someone buying followers to make it seem like they're legit or whatever and finding a video or image of another person who's obviously incapacitated for whatever reason and spinning a narrative that isn't true. It could be someone who had a stroke pre COVID-19 and they can say this is my mother or father who had the Pfizer/Astra-Zeneca/Moderna or J&J vaccine and this is what they're like now. Why lie and post something that didn't happen?

Human nature in response to a threat percieved or not is much of it. You can also see similar "This person I know" stuff around long covid. Or the tales of 28 year old triathalon winners turned into bedridden wrecks by covid itself. With long covid we simply don't know yet and the number of 28 year old triathalon winners turned into bedridden wrecks by covid is absolutely tiny.

When this pandemic kicked off we were 100% right to be panicking and taking precautions and we're right to still be cautious, but 18 months along the data is largely in on the threat of covid 19. It is almost exclusively dangerous to the very old and the already sick. EG in Ireland the number of people who have died from covid 19 under 35? Fourteen. That's out of 270,000 people who have tested positive. The number of actual positives who weren't tested will obviously be much larger and we don't know the health status of those people who died. It's 100% a tragedy for them and their loved ones, but the mortality risk is absolutely tiny. For those between 35 and 65? 390. Big jump and again a tragedy but still a tiny percentage.

The median age of death from covid 19 is 83. One year under the average longevity for Irish women and two over the average age for Irish men. In comparison the Spanish flu of 2018, killed much higher percentages and the median age was late 20's.

The vaccines will reduce these already tiny risks even further, especially among the actually vulnerable, but it can be argued we've also lost the run of ourselves in panic over this.

Deleted User wrote: »

But the alternative is worse,if the vaccine make yous that sick,imagine what the virus would do to them

Nope. There is no correlation.

Kimbot

MOD There is already a forum for all things covid related so I have closed this and you can repost there if you wish: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1865