electric scooter

https://www.amazon.co.uk/HUABANCHE-Scooters-Adults-40KM-Long-500W-Motor-Pneumatic/dp/B093FJPYSX/ref=psdc_3581933031_t1_B094MXMDHD

anyone got one of these. It will be legal in the future i understand. anyone know when?



It would be for someone going to shops about a mile away from their home. Hilly area going. All downhill coming back

Alkers

SoulWriter wrote: »

https://www.amazon.co.uk/HUABANCHE-Scooters-Adults-40KM-Long-500W-Motor-Pneumatic/dp/B093FJPYSX/ref=psdc_3581933031_t1_B094MXMDHD

anyone got one of these. It will be legal in the future i understand. anyone know when


It would be for someone going to shops about a mile away from their home. Hilly area going. All downhill coming back

But seriously, I don't think anything with s saddle is being considered for the upcoming change is legislation to permit e-scooters

Alkers

Alkers wrote: »

But seriously, I don't think anything with s saddle is being considered for the upcoming change is legislation to permit e-scooters

no? so still will be illegal?

Alkers

SoulWriter wrote: »

no? so still will be illegal?

As far as I am aware yes

galwaytt

SoulWriter wrote: »

no? so still will be illegal?

With a saddle it'll be considered a motorcycle, so you no, won't be legal imho.

Del2005

SoulWriter wrote: »

https://www.amazon.co.uk/HUABANCHE-Scooters-Adults-40KM-Long-500W-Motor-Pneumatic/dp/B093FJPYSX/ref=psdc_3581933031_t1_B094MXMDHD

anyone got one of these. It will be legal in the future i understand. anyone know when?



It would be for someone going to shops about a mile away from their home. Hilly area going. All downhill coming back

That's a moped because it has a 45kph top speed, I always wondered why they changed the moped classification away from cc and now I know, that requires a M licence and it will always require a M licence.

I'd say that we'll go rte same way as the UK and only make the hire scooters legal. That way there's no need for the Gardai to try to find out if a person's scooter is lega or not because all personal ones will be illegal.

Del2005

Del2005 wrote: »

That's a moped because it has a 45kph top speed, I always wondered why they changed the moped classification away from cc and now I know, that requires a M licence and it will always require a M licence.

I'd say that we'll go rte same way as the UK and only make the hire scooters legal. That way there's no need for the Gardai to try to find out if a person's scooter is lega or not because all personal ones will be illegal.

You mean people won't be able to buy a scooter at all? I can't see that with all the money in them

Varik

The UK is hired scooters only currently to test things out in a limited and more controlled manner, they're going to eventually expand that out to private own ones.

Right now they're doing tests within tests, some of it acting as the control group while they make other have unique sounds as they operate for example to assist the visually impaired ( which apparently is just terrifying them instead) in know they're there.

galwaytt

Here's KTM's take on it - note, being Austria, it's got lights, number plate etc..... you won't be toddling up the pedestrian zone on it either...

https://www.rushlane.com/ktm-electric-scooter-for-the-future-12296755.html

galwaytt

galwaytt wrote: »

Here's KTM's take on it - note, being Austria, it's got lights, number plate etc..... you won't be toddling up the pedestrian zone on it either...

https://www.rushlane.com/ktm-electric-scooter-for-the-future-12296755.html

it's almost a motorbike

Del2005

SoulWriter wrote: »

it's almost a motorbike

At 80kph it is a motor powered vehicle for sure.

D3V!L

Del2005 wrote: »

At 80kph it is a motor powered vehicle for sure.

They all are , regardless of top speed.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117430136#Comment_117430136

That's a moped because it has a 45kph top speed,

is every e scooter with a seat considered a moped?

Henry Ford III

Under the proposed legislation e scooters will be limited to 25kph I understand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118176282#Comment_118176282

allowed on the road? won't they need reg tax and insurance?

Bluefoam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118177265#Comment_118177265

No, they won't.

Henry Ford III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118177265#Comment_118177265

No insurance, no tax, no license, and no helmets.

Over 16 y.o. only.

I can foresee them mowing down pedestrians on footpaths tbh.

Bluefoam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118181459#Comment_118181459

I can see cars killing allot more people than scooters, but we still don't make them illegal

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118182827#Comment_118182827

Indeed they do .

However the person behind the wheel must pay for liability cover to cover them or individuals involed in any such instances.

I still struggle to understand how you can create an increased risk with a scooter such as this but the liability is all on other parties.

Bluefoam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118182835#Comment_118182835

It's the same rules as a bicycle... They've been around longer than cars or motorcycles and bikes are pretty well accepted

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118182894#Comment_118182894

Are they accepted though?..

And genuinely of we are to get into realities bicycles are far safer specifically from a physical device standpoint. The small wheels and small brakes on scooters with the bare minimum tyre surface area on the ground means by nature they are risky in various weather conditions.

From a liability perspective they do have higher risk.

Bluefoam

Higher risk of what? Losing control, mounting the footpath and killing a couple of pedestrians? Hitting a car and killing all of the occupants?

Henry Ford III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118184244#Comment_118184244

Higher risk of causing injury. I don't think there's any doubt about that.

Bluefoam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118184572#Comment_118184572

causing what injury to whom? The user, pedestrians on the road, other road users? Whats your logic? While there can we freek accidents with all fors of transport... theres no denying that electric scooter limited to low speeds don't pose a massive threat to other road users...

Henry Ford III

Pedestrians on footpaths primarily.

magicbastarder

it's not accurate to say that e-scooters and bicycles are subject to the same rules, in that an e-scooter doing say 30km/h is undoubtedly breaking the incoming law, but that's perfectly legal on a bike.

Bluefoam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118187517#Comment_118187517

E scooters will be limited and won't be able to do 30km/h. If they can, they will be subjected to tax, insurance etc...

Henry Ford III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118187554#Comment_118187554

Who'd know the difference?

Bluefoam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118189815#Comment_118189815

Jaysus... you could say the same about any vehicle...you're clutching at straws now. The law is based on people abiding by the law.

We're on the motorbike forum... how many motorbikes out there are modified and don't comply with their insurance policies? should we ban them all? I saw a motorcycle being used on the footpath recently, blah blah blah

Bluefoam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118187517#Comment_118187517

Untrue. The electric motor on both escooters and electric bikes is limited, but you can pedal or push as fast as you want, there is very clear legislation on the matter.

magicbastarder

i should have mentioned that on the flat, an e-scooter doing 30km/h would obviously be breaking the law. but going downhill, yes, they may exceed that.

but the point was that bikes have another mode of propulsion, and speed limits don't apply. so the difference is practical rather than theoretical.

Bluefoam

D3V!L

This really isn't a discussion for the motorcycle forum. Correct me if I'm wrong but this isn't a motorcycle.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118181459#Comment_118181459

OK i see the proposed legislation now.

I can foresee them mowing down pedestrians on footpaths tbh

They won't be allowed on footpath though by the law i mean?

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118192601#Comment_118192601

under the current law, it is. it's a motorised vehicle on two wheels.

D3V!L

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118195450#Comment_118195450

Its a motorized vehicle without type approval. This is not a motorcycle whichever way you try and word it.

magicbastarder

what's the difference between what is pictured, and a moped, for example?

Henry Ford III

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118192541#Comment_118192541

Can't see electric scooters on your chart.

Bluefoam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118196159#Comment_118196159

Wonderful observation 🙄

Priestess101

Hey, does anyone have an electric scooter box that they haven't thrown out yet?

galwaytt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118195655#Comment_118195655

wellllll..............a CRF250R is also a motorised vehicle without Type Approval. But it's definitely a motorcycle.................if you get my drift.

In legislative parlance I think the term is PTW - Powered Two Wheeler.