Deportation of Uyghurs to China by Muslim governments.

political analyst

Uygurs who lived in the Middle Eastern Muslim-majority countries Egypt, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates have been deported to China by the governments of those countries.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/08/middleeast/uyghur-arab-muslim-china-disappearances-cmd-intl/index.html

As Beijing's global influence expands, rights activists fear that even as Western nations take China to task over its treatment of Uyghurs, countries in the Middle East and beyond will increasingly be willing to acquiesce to its crackdown on members of the ethnic group at home and abroad.
A Human Rights Watch report released in April said China had tracked down hundreds of Uyghurs across the globe, forcing them to return and face persecution. In many cases "it is impossible to find out what has happened" to them, the report said.
For some Uyghurs, the extraditions from Muslim countries will be especially galling, shattering notions of Islamic solidarity and deepening feelings of isolation on a world stage where China's power has grown rapidly.

For Maya Wang, senior China researcher at Human Rights Watch, the alleged treatment of Uyghurs by the autocratic governments of the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Egypt is not surprising -- despite those countries being signatories to the UN's Convention Against Torture.
"A lot of these governments don't care about human rights," she told CNN. "They are unelected governments that persecute their citizens in their countries. There is no real rule of law and democracy when it comes to deportations of Uyghurs."

Given that these Uyghurs were thousands of miles away when they were sent back to China, why would the Chinese government feel threatened by them so much that it wanted them sent back?

banie01

For someone who's username is Political Analyst?
You rarely open your threads with any, why?
What's your analytical overview of the situation?

political analyst

banie01 wrote: »

For someone who's username is Political Analyst?
You rarely open your threads with any, why?
What's your analytical overview of the situation?

Ah, not this again!

It's just a username!

banie01

political analyst wrote: »

Ah, not this again!

It's just a username!

It's a user name that implies you have an opinion and some degree of knowledge.
Yet rather than present analysis, you ask questions.
I'll ask again.

What's your opinion on this matter?

Overheal

banie01 wrote: »

For someone who's username is Political Analyst?
You rarely open your threads with any, why?
What's your analytical overview of the situation?

.....what's yours? Pot Kettle Black.

This sounds disturbing. I tagged my Congressman on it just so he was made aware of it. It is alarming that China is importing/extraditing muslims into its concentration camps, why should it be China's business if a muslim lives freely somewhere else, and is this Egypt for example getting rid of their own undesirables or being strongarmed by China in some way.

marieholmfan

They were probably fighting for Daesh . The Chinese will shoot them in the back of the head and good riddance to bad rubbish I say. IF they were in Isis.

marieholmfan

Overheal wrote: »

.....what's yours? Pot Kettle Black.

This sounds disturbing. I tagged my Congressman on it just so he was made aware of it. It is alarming that China is importing/extraditing muslims into its concentration camps, why should it be China's business if a muslim lives freely somewhere else, and is this Egypt for example getting rid of their own undesirables or being strongarmed by China in some way.

That's pretty good satire.

banie01

Overheal wrote: »

.....what's yours? Pot Kettle Black.

This sounds disturbing. I tagged my Congressman on it just so he was made aware of it. It is alarming that China is importing/extraditing muslims into its concentration camps, why should it be China's business if a muslim lives freely somewhere else, and is this Egypt for example getting rid of their own undesirables or being strongarmed by China in some way.

TBF OH, on threads I start in as important a matter such as extra-judicial extradition or deportation?

I'd be fairly certain I would lay out an opinion as to why I am against such actions.
I have issue with efforts to skirt the rules with a newsdump and not actually having the OP provide their opinion.

It's something I probably have been guilty of in the past?
But noone expects nominative determinism from me based on my username.
The thread count of questions framed without opinion is a tad tiresome.
That said, that's probably more my fault than PA's and not his can to carry in any case.

So just to be clear.
I am against any form of extra-judicial deportation particularly when it's to country undertaking cultural repression and genocide.

I am perhaps guilty of having a bit of hope that someone who chose their username?
Would make an effort to live up to it at some point.

Overheal

marieholmfan wrote: »

That's pretty good satire.

?

Overheal

banie01 wrote: »

TBF OH, on threads I start in as important a matter such as extra-judicial extradition or deportation?

I'd be fairly certain I would lay out an opinion as to why I am against such actions.
I have issue with efforts to skirt the rules with a newsdump and not actually having the OP provide their opinion.

It's something I probably have been guilty of in the past?
But noone expects nominative determinism from me based on my username.
The thread count of questions framed without opinion is a tad tiresome.
That said, that's probably more my fault than PA's and not his can to carry in any case.

So just to be clear.
I am against any form of extra-judicial deportation particularly when it's to country undertaking cultural repression and genocide.

I am perhaps guilty of having a bit of hope that someone who chose their username?
Would make an effort to live up to it at some point.

But you're arguing ad hominems. The OP is not the topic. The argument is invalid. He could be named Princess Jellybean, Critical Thinking or No Lives Matter, and it would not add value to, or discount the content of the post: news about China picking up muslims from other countries and packing them into concentration camps.

marieholmfan

Overheal wrote: »

But you're arguing ad hominems. The OP is not the topic. The argument is invalid. He could be named Princess Jellybean, Critical Thinking or No Lives Matter, and it would not add value to, or discount the content of the post: news about China picking up muslims from other countries and packing them into concentration camps.

So Fox News/ CNN calls them concentration camps and the whole world is supposed to believe them?


The notion that the USA cares about Muslims is laughable and the USA has no credibility on the matter.

Overheal

marieholmfan wrote: »

So Fox News/ CNN calls them concentration camps and the whole world is supposed to believe them?


The notion that the USA cares about Muslims is laughable and the USA has no credibility on the matter.

That's another ad hominem..

If you want to present an argument refuting that there are crimes against humanity happening in China right now, I am open to your evidence.

banie01

Overheal wrote: »

But you're arguing ad hominems. The OP is not the topic. The argument is invalid. He could be named Princess Jellybean, Critical Thinking or No Lives Matter, and it would not add value to, or discount the content of the post: news about China picking up muslims from other countries and packing them into concentration camps.

The point is this is a common tactic from the OP.
Open an emotive thread and give zero opinion.
I note the OP has said, "not this again, it's just a name"
So they have had the issue broached previously?
Yet carry on, that's fine.
It is their name, their call but if you choose to call yourself "political analyst" and don't analyse or offer opinion on emotive topics?
It doesn't proffer a path to actual conversation.
It's basically a newsdump, with zero opinion.

It's an important topic and one that needs discussion.

Is China deporting Uighurs unlawfully ongoing?
How many have been taken back to China in this manner?
What governments are complicit?
What actual evidence is there?

Is a western response to China seeking to repatriate its citizens for it may claim are criminal acts?
Lessened by Western support for the US when they were carrying out such actions with rendition, non citizens and Guantanamo?
Does the west have the moral authority to act?

Is this a Chinese internal matter?
What extradition arrangements does China have in place with countries that have facilitated deportations?
Is there a legal basis for any of the extraditions?
Are China just exercising economic or military threat?

Lots of avenues for analysis and grounds for discussion there, so I'll let ye carry on.

Donald Trump

political analyst wrote: »

Ah, not this again!

It's just a username!

You can't be using inaccurate usernames

banie01

Donald Trump wrote: »

You can't be using inaccurate usernames

Exactly Don, exactly :pac:

marieholmfan

Overheal wrote: »

That's another ad hominem..

If you want to present an argument refuting that there are crimes against humanity happening in China right now, I am open to your evidence.

The onus is on the person making the positive claim.


Again the notion that the USA cares about Muslims in general is laughable and it is not an ad hominem to point that out.

Fiery mutant

Given the behaviour of the CCP over the last few years, nothing surprises me about them anymore. IMO its slowly coming to light that there is nothing they won’t do, and feel they can hold the whole world to economic ransom to get whatever they want. Their reach obviously extends far and wide, and judging by some of the responses on this thread, their apologists care just as little about right and wrong as they do.

Firblog

political analyst wrote: »

Uygurs who lived in the Middle Eastern Muslim-majority countries Egypt, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates have been deported to China by the governments of those countries.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/08/middleeast/uyghur-arab-muslim-china-disappearances-cmd-intl/index.html

Given that these Uyghurs were thousands of miles away when they were sent back to China, why would the Chinese government feel threatened by them so much that it wanted them sent back?

It's not just "middle eastern muslim majority countries" https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/why-a-controversial-chinese-swiss-agreement-has-been-left-to-expire/46230768

Junkyard Tom

The Chinese have observed the US/UK support murderous head-chopping jihadists from Libya to Afghanistan and is saying 'fuck that' and has taken those pawns off the chessboard.

10000maniacs

Donald Trump wrote: »

You can't be using inaccurate usernames

Too right. We are actually 10000 maniacs. Watch out!

SupaCat95

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The Chinese have observed the US/UK support murderous head-chopping jihadists from Libya to Afghanistan and is saying 'fuck that' and has taken those pawns off the chessboard.

Chinese Department of the Interior problem. Nothing to see here. Now if our government was awake and was more interested in protecting Irish citizens instead of Ibrihim Halawa, Kalid Kelly and some numpty from Uzibekistan who go around shooting up the shop.

Junkyard Tom

SupaCat95 wrote: »

Chinese Department of the Interior problem. Nothing to see here. Now if our government was awake and was more interested in protecting Irish citizens instead of Ibrihim Halawa, Kalid Kelly and some numpty from Uzibekistan who go around shooting up the shop.

What the Chinese are doing to the Uyghur population is criminal. Pointing out their rationale is not an endorsement of such behaviour on my part.

growleaves

banie01 wrote: »

But noone expects nominative determinism from me based on my username.

I do.

banie01

growleaves wrote: »

I do.

I shall do my utmost to be both 1st of my line and remain my pale blue white colour forever then!
Promise.

Ardillaun

Firblog wrote: »

It's not just "middle eastern muslim majority countries" https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/why-a-controversial-chinese-swiss-agreement-has-been-left-to-expire/46230768

The CCP cannot tolerate criticism anywhere on this planet. As Chinese power grows, critics of the regime will feel less and less secure wherever they live and less willing to speak out. If the Uighurs were breakfast, and neighbouring countries lunch, we could yet end up on the menu later in the day.

SeanW

marieholmfan wrote: »

So Fox News/ CNN calls them concentration camps and the whole world is supposed to believe them?

Considering that Fox and CNN are on opposite sides of a bitterly divided political spectrum: yes. If the conservatives at Fox and the woke brigade over at CNN both use words "concentration camps" to describe what the Chinese Communist Party is doing in East Turkestan then yes, the Chinese are probably putting Muslims in concentration camps. If the likes of Sean Hannity and Don Lemon agree on something, there's probably a very good reason why they do so.

marieholmfan wrote: »

They were probably fighting for Daesh . The Chinese will shoot them in the back of the head and good riddance to bad rubbish I say. IF they were in Isis.

If. As those laconic Spartans would have pointed out "If" is the key word here. It's possible that all the Uighurs being sent back to concentration camps were "fighting for Isis" but it's more likely that the CCP and their shills are using the "we're fighting terrorism" excuse to engage in genocide.

And it's more likely the latter because the CCP is doing similar things to Tibetans and Mongolians in Inner Mongolia. The same kind of cultural extermination, minus the concentration camps. Not to mention being existential threat to the people of Taiwan.

archer22

Maybe Ireland can take them in...and some of the lads posting here can put them up in their houses.

political analyst

banie01 wrote: »

It's a user name that implies you have an opinion and some degree of knowledge.
Yet rather than present analysis, you ask questions.
I'll ask again.

What's your opinion on this matter?

Asking questions is one of the reasons for OPs on this site.

marieholmfan

Two cheeks one arse.


There is a long standing tradition in the USA called the bipartisan consensus. It means that so far as the mass murdering hegemon's overseas campaigns of mass murder are concerned neither side of the non existent US political divide will question the evil empire's campaigns of mass murder overseas.


The mass murdering hegemon is the USA and so is the evil empire.


Some people got killed in new york and how many Muslims have the Americans killed in revenge?


A million?

SeanW wrote: »

Considering that Fox and CNN are on opposite sides of a bitterly divided political spectrum: yes. If the conservatives at Fox and the woke brigade over at CNN both use words "concentration camps" to describe what the Chinese Communist Party is doing in East Turkestan then yes, the Chinese are probably putting Muslims in concentration camps. If the likes of Sean Hannity and Don Lemon agree on something, there's probably a very good reason why they do so.

If. As those laconic Spartans would have pointed out "If" is the key word here. It's possible that all the Uighurs being sent back to concentration camps were "fighting for Isis" but it's more likely that the CCP and their shills are using the "we're fighting terrorism" excuse to engage in genocide.

And it's more likely the latter because the CCP is doing similar things to Tibetans and Mongolians in Inner Mongolia. The same kind of cultural extermination, minus the concentration camps. Not to mention being existential threat to the people of Taiwan.

marieholmfan

political analyst wrote: »

Asking questions is one of the reasons for OPs on this site.

Just asking questions is a well known anti semitic dogwhistle.

political analyst

Firblog wrote: »

It's not just "middle eastern muslim majority countries" https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/why-a-controversial-chinese-swiss-agreement-has-been-left-to-expire/46230768

Has the Swiss government deported an Uyghur? Switzerland is a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights.

SeanW

Wait, what ... anti-Semitism? Between this and the nonsense about the USA (which doesn't have much in the way of consensus these days), it looks to me like there's a great deal of interest in talking about anything except the Chinese Communist Party and its genocide (cultural or otherwise) of the Uighurs. Among many of the extreme evils the CCP is engaged in.

marieholmfan

SeanW wrote: »

Wait, what ... anti-Semitism? Between this and the nonsense about the USA (which doesn't have much in the way of consensus these days), it looks to me like there's a great deal of interest in talking about anything except the Chinese Communist Party and its genocide (cultural or otherwise) of the Uighurs. Among many of the extreme evils the CCP is engaged in.

The USA preserves the bipartisan consensus on foreign policy. That's unambiguously true. Your ignorance is not evidence.

banie01

political analyst wrote: »

Asking questions is one of the reasons for OPs on this site.

Yet still no opinion?
Granted a discussion has started but you still haven't laid out a position?
Why not?

sameoldname

marieholmfan wrote: »

The USA preserves the bipartisan consensus on foreign policy. That's unambiguously true. Your ignorance is not evidence.

Can you just tell us what you want us to call the camps so we can stop talking about the United States in a thread about China?

c.p.w.g.w

It's mad, that China are doing pretty much what nazi Germany did...but because of their cheap labour sure we'll ignore it...

marieholmfan

sameoldname wrote: »

Can you just tell us what you want us to call the camps so we can stop talking about the United States in a thread about China?

Schools; which is what they are.

sameoldname

marieholmfan wrote: »

Schools; which is what they are.

Right, well no one actually believes that's all they are but you've had your say so can you let it go now?

c.p.w.g.w

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

It's mad, that China are doing pretty much what nazi Germany did...but because of their cheap labour sure we'll ignore it...

God bless capitalism

Ardillaun

Xi and the gang are constructing the most exquisitely intrusive police state in human history, one that aims to stifle the slightest dissent even before it emerges. One threat to this project lies in the outside world and most offensive there are Han Chinese choosing the rule of law and free speech, a terrifying precedent for the fascists in Beijing. Thus Hong Kong had to be crushed and Taiwan is in grave peril. The Uighurs are merely one example of what the PRC will do everywhere if it gets the chance.

WrenBoy

Better start brushing up.

Xi Jinping is really doubling down on the old communism and Chinese nationalism. Get the feeling he might be a proper Marxist.

I'm pretty sure there would have been some posters nodding approvingly at the Germans back in the thirties or denying the concentration camps as knowledge of them began to leak out in the forties... This is utterly horrifying as a story and while it gets press attention, little has been done by any nation on it.

osarusan

marieholmfan wrote: »

The onus is on the person making the positive claim.

By all means, go ahead:

marieholmfan wrote: »

They were probably fighting for Daesh.

archer22

marieholmfan wrote: »

Schools; which is what they are.

Most probably, I haven't seen any evidence for this alleged 'genocide' anyway.

You would think those genocide howlers would have managed to procure at least one verifiable video clip of all the dead bodies by now.

wes

The CCP doesn't want Uyghurs activists, telling people what is going on, so that is why it is going after people in foreign countries. It is shameful, that they are being sent back, to a likely death.

Kintarō Hattori

Donald Trump wrote: »

You can't be using inaccurate usernames

100%. I'd love to chip in on this discussion but I don't have the time.

TheValeyard

Not getting invovled in the username debacle during this regeneration cycle.


What the CCP is doing is criminal. They need to be stood up to. Appeasement hasnt worked in the past. The CCP are definitely a regional threat and growing global problem.

Elmer Blooker

archer22 wrote: »

Most probably, I haven't seen any evidence for this alleged 'genocide' anyway.

You would think those genocide howlers would have managed to procure at least one verifiable video clip of all the dead bodies by now.

I think it might have all started with a BBC Panorama 'documentary' which showed some buildings surrounded by high walls in Xinjiang which were 'correction camps' according to 'reliable reports' of course.
I stopped reading the CNN link when I got to the 'alleged deportations' bit.

Anyhow the Uyghers couldn't be treated any worse than the Shias in Saudi Arabia which little is known about as the Saudis are our allies ('our' meaning EU and US) which of course means they are the good guys unlike the Chinese.

Ardillaun

wes wrote: »

The CCP doesn't want Uyghurs activists, telling people what is going on, so that is why it is going after people in foreign countries. It is shameful, that they are being sent back, to a likely death.

And particularly shameful that Muslim countries are doing it. No big surprise that Kinahan’s friends in Dubai are involved, and the Saudis:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/uyghurs-are-being-deported-from-muslim-countries-raising-concerns-about-china-s-growing-reach-1.5460770

Imran Khan was asked about the Uighurs and claimed he didn’t know enough about the subject to comment on it. That’s the future for a lot of leaders and it will suit many of them just fine.

Ardillaun

WrenBoy wrote: »

Better start brushing up.

Exactly. Sports stars in the West are already feeling the pressure from Beijing, a wee taste of what many more of us may be going through soon enough.